Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream

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In the case of E3, they're not the only ones skipping it and doing their own thing.

Sega doesn't have a booth
Activision doesn't have a booth
EA isn't there at all and doing their own thing.
Their games will be shown at platform conferences, i.e. Sony and Microsoft.

Nintendo is not just a publisher, they are a platform company, with a new major home console rumored to be launching in less than a year. It's a fucking mess.
 
Let's not compare the most valuable company in the world to Nintendo. They are not the same. Apple could throw a press event in a high school gym in South Dakota during a blizzard to announce a piece of wood and the international tech press wouldn't even bat an eye. The two are not even remotely the same.

Apple has routinely launched insanely successful products for the last 10 years. Nintendo has done nothing but falter for the last 3. Despite the critical success (and my personal enjoyment) of many WiiU games, it is a commercial failure.

I was just pointing out your tone deaf argument was poor.

Their games will be shown at platform conferences, i.e. Sony and Microsoft.

Nintendo is not just a publisher, they are a platform company, with a new major home console rumored to be launching in less than a year. It's a fucking mess.

Not really. You seem a little too emotional about this to be honest. We have no clue what they are doing but that doesn't mean shit at this point in time.
 
E3 isn't what it used to be and so is the reason companies attend. The fact that Nintendo is part of it at all shows something I guess? Maybe to show they are still trying to be relevant or simply to celebrate Zelda's anniversary?
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Standards are just a bunch of nonsense anyway. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.

Agreed. Just be here now. (=
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Standards are just a bunch of nonsense anyway. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.

Some people are just a little unhinged when it comes to video games.
 
you are wasting your energy on the wrong company

they delivered the most fun I have had in this hobby the past few years E3 means nothing

A decent portion of what fans they have left seem to enjoy their output. But considering the WiiU is their worst selling system, it's unsurprising that only die-hard Nintendo fans are still invested, and that they'd be happy with most of the company's output. But it's also undeniable that word of mouth surrounding the company has gotten worse, and critical/public reaction seems to indicate that they are out of touch with the gaming public at large. If they want to be successful, they need more than just their diehard fanbase, which seems to be shrinking.

No matter how good the game looks threads will be made and people will rage about X mechanic or X story element or X character looks terrible just like every Ninty game in recent years. Just expect the absolute worst reaction at this point. I have gotten used to it.

Or, maybe, just maybe, the quality of the company's output has decreased. Due to a lack of third party support they've been forced to prop up two systems all by themselves, and that means spinoffs and lesser quality titles. We still get gems like Splatoon here and there, but for many of their franchises the recent entries haven't been the greatest ones. I love most of their games, but even I think that their output has become a bit rote and lacking of focus lately.

In the case of E3, they're not the only ones skipping it and doing their own thing.

Sega doesn't have a booth
Activision doesn't have a booth
EA isn't there at all and doing their own thing.

EA have had a poor showing for several years in a row now and they just show their stuff in MS/Sony conferences now. Activision have always done so. Sega is not really relevant as a company these days. Bethesda have started doing a conference in E3 now. The "year of dreams" conference by Sony last year had huge reverberations in the general gaming public. It was all over the news. E3 still has pull. It's just that Nintendo doesn't. Honestly, I've only seen Nintendo fans tout this "E3 is irrelevant now" rhetoric and it seems it's to justify Nintendo's detachment from E3.
 
Their games will be shown at platform conferences, i.e. Sony and Microsoft.

Nintendo is not just a publisher, they are a platform company, with a new major home console rumored to be launching in less than a year. It's a fucking mess.

What would be a fucking mess is Nintendo revealing a comparably low-powered, "new way of playing"/gimmicky device at the same show as a brand new version of this gen's best selling console and a 6TF Xbox.

Would be a media shitshow.
 
If it weren't for PC I'd be nearly half starved so I'll take whatever I can get outta Nintendo this year. Selfishly, I'm kinda pleased with the focus almost solely on Zelda. Practically a dream come true for me, only thing missing I guess is Monster Hunter at the show??
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Standards are just a bunch of nonsense anyway. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.
I was sad at first but now I'm seeing the potential power of having an isolated showing.

People should write off what they see from a company, not from what they haven't.
 
A decent portion of what fans they have left seem to enjoy their output. But considering the WiiU is their worst selling system, it's unsurprising that only die-hard Nintendo fans are still invested, and that they'd be happy with most of the company's output. But it's also undeniable that word of mouth surrounding the company has gotten worse, and critical/public reaction seems to indicate that they are out of touch with the gaming public at large. If they want to be successful, they need more than just their diehard fanbase, which seems to be shrinking.



Or, maybe, just maybe, the quality of the company's output has decreased. Due to a lack of third party support they've been forced to prop up two systems all by themselves, and that means spinoffs and lesser quality titles. We still get gems like Splatoon here and there, but for many of their franchises the recent entries haven't been the greatest ones. I love most of their games, but even I think that their output has become a bit rote and lacking of focus lately.



EA have had a poor showing for several years in a row now and they just show their stuff in MS/Sony conferences now. Activision have always done so. Sega is not really relevant as a company these days. Bethesda have started doing a conference in E3 now. The "year of dreams" conference by Sony last year had huge reverberations in the general gaming public. It was all over the news. E3 still has pull. It's just that Nintendo doesn't. Honestly, I've only seen Nintendo fans tout this "E3 is irrelevant now" rhetoric and it seems it's to justify Nintendo's detachment from E3.
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What would be a fucking mess is Nintendo revealing a comparably low-powered, "new way of playing"/gimmicky device at the same show as a brand new version of this gen's best selling console and a 6TF Xbox.

Would be a media shitshow.

You'd think they would have learned from their mistakes with the WiiU. It really seems that Nintendo as a home console company is a lost cause at this point.
 
In the case of E3, they're not the only ones skipping it and doing their own thing.

Sega doesn't have a booth
Activision doesn't have a booth
EA isn't there at all and doing their own thing.

I thought E3 is soo important here that all company must follow?0_0 doommmm.^~^
 
EA have had a poor showing for several years in a row now and they just show their stuff in MS/Sony conferences now. Activision have always done so. Sega is not really relevant as a company these days. Bethesda have started doing a conference in E3 now. The "year of dreams" conference by Sony last year had huge reverberations in the general gaming public. It was all over the news. E3 still has pull. It's just that Nintendo doesn't. Honestly, I've only seen Nintendo fans tout this "E3 is irrelevant now" rhetoric and it seems it's to justify Nintendo's detachment from E3.

EA still has a show. Just not part of E3. Because they think they don't need it anymore.

And is probably less expensive.
 
I think it's fine that they're revealing the NX on their on terms. I just don't like the argument that Nintendo wouldn't be able to compete in mindshare with what is essentially Sony's New Nintendo 3DS and Microsoft's New Nintendo 3DS. If Nintendo's new systems can't "Wow" people more than PS4 and XBox 1 revisions.. well, what the heck is the point?

And I believe there is the point, so I don't think they're actually afraid of being lost in the crowd. They're simply not ready.
 
E3 isn't irrelevant.

But it isn't necessary for a company to have to use it to communicate to consumers, either.

In short? People are being drama queens as usual, and I mean that for both sides of the camp.
 
Please just announce a stand alone New 3DS (Non-XL) SKU for North America.

Do that and give me a date on Rhythm Heaven and Picross 3D 2 and you can announce NX whenever you want.
 
You'd think they would have learned from their mistakes with the WiiU. It really seems that Nintendo as a home console company is a lost cause at this point.

Eh. I didn't really mean it derogatorily, but I can gather it's not your cup of tea.

Nintendo had their two greatest successes, the DS and the Wii, by following this philosophy. I personally think they're making the right call by creating something unique and trying to differentiate themselves.

Because imagine if two/three years ago when NX entered R&D, Nintendo decided they'd copy the twins and aim for power. They would have still ended up in third place because no one expected Neo and Scorpio this quickly. I think their prospects are best going cheap and unique since having the best hardware on the market is nearly impossible at this point. My opinion.
 
I think it's fine that they're revealing the NX on their on terms. I just don't like the argument that Nintendo wouldn't be able to compete in mindshare with what is essentially Sony's New Nintendo 3DS and Microsoft's New Nintendo 3DS. If there new systems can't "Wow" people more than PS4 and XBox 1 revisions.. well, what the heck is the point?

And I believe there is the point, so I don't think they're actually afraid of being lost in the crowd. They're simply not ready.

Yup. That's what I think. In fact, I think the entire company has had to deal with a lot of growing pains since Iwata's passing, and they haven't quite gotten to the point of things being steady yet. And they're juggling a lot of stuff right now. New president, getting the NX ready, preparing to build a theme park, possible making movies, many different shifts the the basic structure of their business. They've been so quiet lately that I just feel like they're waiting for the NX to get back to normal. Like they're rebooting the entire company. That's just how it feels.

And to the other topic, whether or not E3 is becoming less relevant... I'd say that it is. Not because the concept of it is less relevant. The concept is more relevant than ever. It's just that, you don't need E3 itself in order to have E3-like moments. Companies can just make their own E3s. Just tell people when and where and they'll be there. The press will be there, and people will watch from home. You need to get up on a stage and wow people. But it doesn't have to happen in LA in June along with the rest of the industry. It just has to happen, period.
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Standards are just a bunch of nonsense anyway. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.

Yeah basically my thoughts too. I love games too but sometimes we need to step back and realise we're a little close to everything at times.
 
Yeah basically my thoughts too. I love games too but sometimes we need to step back and realise we're a little close to everything at times.

Agreed with this string of quotes. I'm disappointed but only because I'm excited for NX information. I'm not disappointed in Nintendo or their decisions. There's a huge difference. I'd just like to see more maturity, it's a fucking videogame system.
 
Agreed with this string of quotes. I'm disappointed but only because I'm excited for NX information. I'm not disappointed in Nintendo or their decisions. There's a huge difference. I'd just like to see more maturity, it's a fucking videogame system.

It is just a videogame system to us, but many humans love to suffer and need to until they wake up. So much work to be done. (=
 
While I'm fine with Zelda Wii U/NX being the only game being shown at Nintendo's E3 booth, but it seems like everyone is acting like it's the end of the world.

I mean, everyone is all like:

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What would be a fucking mess is Nintendo revealing a comparably low-powered, "new way of playing"/gimmicky device at the same show as a brand new version of this gen's best selling console and a 6TF Xbox.

Would be a media shitshow.
They still need a gimmick to remain competitive
 
They still need a gimmick to remain competitive

Agreed! See the post I made after that one.

The point of that first post was basically that people are reactionary and when they see something directly next to two things that are very similar to each other but different from it, they don't always have the best reaction.
 
Man, why are people so impatient about everything all the time? I mean, yeah, I'm upset that I don't get to learn more about NX at E3, but it's not such a big deal as to write the company off entirely. So I don't get more info in June but instead get it in September or something like that. Big deal. If they aren't ready to show stuff then they aren't ready. Be upset, sure. I am too. But things will be ready when they're ready. Don't let "industry standards" set you in your ways and affect your attitude so much. Standards are just a bunch of nonsense anyway. Besides, you all know that attitude will fade if the NX looks cool. If they reveal the NX and it's awesome then nobody will be upset about how they handled E3. If they reveal the NX and it sucks, then being at E3 wouldn't have fixed that anyway, so be mad about that when it happens.

Don't write off companies based on how they reveal shit. Just enjoy things as they come and buy products you want and don't buy products you don't want. It'll save you a lot of stress.


Some people don't have anything else to do in their lives other than complain about stuff that do not matter.
 
Nintendo is not just a publisher, they are a platform company, with a new major home console rumored to be launching in less than a year

Hello Everyone and Welcome to Nintendo's E3 2016! Let us begin this presentation by introducing you to the world of My Nintendo


My Nintendo is a rewards program we think many NX users will enjoy interaction with


The Mii looks like he's having some fun, doesn't he? [laughs]
You can earn points by accomplishing certain missions, please take a look at this


We made the interface easy to use so that everyone can enjoy using this new service


Complete fun and engaging missions like "sign in to Nintendo eShop (weekly)"


Please look forward to more exciting rewards in the future!

If the simple and Mii-centric interface of My Nintendo is in any way representative of the NX platform as a whole, I think they did the right call to avoid revealing it at E3
 
Since I love Zelda so much, to me is unfathomable to hear someone, specially a Nintendo fan, complain that Nintendo sucks for only showing Zelda at E3.

But I guess I can sympathize a liiiittle bit because if they were only showing, let's say a Metroid title, then I would feel somewhat the same, even though I like Metroid a lot.
 
Even IF Nintendo were ready to reveal NX this E3, (I really don't think they were) the volatility of this year's conference is super high. There's a ton of unknowns. Will the Neo and Scorpio actually be revealed? If I were Nintendo, I wouldn't want to risk having whatever the NX message is drowned out.
 
This feels like having your best friend who always comes to your birthday parties, but then this year when u invite him he just shows up at the door to give you his present and dips :(
 
If the simple and Mii-centric interface of My Nintendo is in any way representative of the NX platform as a whole, I think they did the right call to avoid revealing it at E3

I'm amazed that it's years later, and barring a few small tweaks, they're still using the same Mii designs and features from the earliest Wii days, even when backwards compatibility isn't a concern (and it's easy enough to work around that anyway). Same stale Miis, same floating nose pieces, same limited choices of colors and accessories...
 
Since I love Zelda so much, to me is unfathomable to hear someone, specially a Nintendo fan, complain that Nintendo sucks for only showing Zelda at E3.

But I guess I can sympathize a liiiittle bit because if they were only showing, let's say a Metroid title, then I would feel somewhat the same, even though I like Metroid a lot.
I hope for some Zelda news every E3, so finally seeing them dedicating their whole fucking E3 to Zelda is wonderful to me. But I can see how this would alienate a lot of people, of course. But for big Zelda fans it will truly be Christmas.
 
E3 isn't irrelevant.

But it isn't necessary for a company to have to use it to communicate to consumers, either.

In short? People are being drama queens as usual, and I mean that for both sides of the camp.
What he said.

Also I would add that my guess is that last few E3 trade shows the number of games shown is sharply lower than what used to be in the '90s for instance.
E3 reflect the state of the industry.
 
I'm amazed that it's years later, and barring a few small tweaks, they're still using the same Mii designs and features from the earliest Wii days, even when backwards compatibility isn't a concern (and it's easy enough to work around that anyway). Same stale Miis, same floating nose pieces, same limited choices of colors and accessories...

They added more options with the 3DS version.
 
There is no Nintendo fan that can defend this...otherwise there is really something wrong

Nintendo fans can defend anything

Nintendo fans can shit on a leak, then when it's proven official by Nintendo, praise it like its the second coming

I've seeeeeen it
 
I really hope they will announce their NX reveal event shortly after E3. I gave up about the latter but still believe they will deliver regarding the former.

I am really tired of this secrecy though. This is becoming ridiculous. I mean, they annouced that Zelda will release on NX simultaneously with WiiU, but will focus only the WiiU version.
 
Nintendo fans can defend anything

Nintendo fans can shit on a leak, then when it's proven official by Nintendo, praise it like its the second coming

I've seeeeeen it

To be fair, it is true for each and every fanboy, not just Nintendo ones.
Though I agree that no one can defend Nintendo E3 2016. Including Nintendo. I still believe something went wrong.

edit : oops, sorry for the dp
 
To be fair, it is true for each and every fanboy, not just Nintendo ones.
Though I agree that no one can defend Nintendo E3 2016. Including Nintendo. I still believe something went wrong.

I don't think you can conclude that it's a bad decision until we see their NX reveal and what other things they have planned to promote the console launch.

We simply don't have enough information yet.

People will get over E3 pretty quickly if their reveal is great. And that can easily get more attention than a E3 conference if they play their cards right.
 
This feels like having your best friend who always comes to your birthday parties, but then this year when u invite him he just shows up at the door to give you his present and dips :(

That's a good comparison.

Another is that it's like waking up on Christmas day and there's just one present.

They could've easily talked about the NX, shown behind the scenes development, art work of future games, have developers talk about what type of games will be coming to it, etc.

Folk eat that stuff up.
 
There is no Nintendo fan that can defend this...otherwise there is really something wrong

Depends on what you mean by defend.

Clearly the silence is frustrating and the lack of presence is disappointing, but I can probably "defend" them by saying this is their best course of action right now, as a business.

Presumably, the NX is not ready to be shown. If they show it before they are ready the first impressions could be very poor, killing any chance it had to sell decently. So I can defend their decision to not show it before it's ready.

And other games besides Zelda? What other games do they have? Federation force, Paper Mario- essentially games people would be shitting on and just yelling "Show us Zelda, who cares about this crap!" The only exception I can think of is Pokemon (strictly talking new games/first party, not localizations) and to be fair I don't know why they aren't showing any Pokemon. Perhaps they think Zelda is worth all of the time and space they are investing.

So there's my "defense." It sucks for us, but probably makes sense for them as a company.
 
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