So I'm no longer Don Mattrick or a paid shill? I'll take that as a compliment.
Not even Don Mattrick liked Ryse so I don't know how you got that moniker.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Not even Don Mattrick liked Ryse so I don't know how you got that moniker.
If Scorpio has a totally new CPU, that could make a bigger difference between it and Neo.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
Well Don Mattrick didn't like Ryse because it was a game.
You mean a defense force? Yes, last few pages just proved that.
Can we now please get back on topic? I have suggested possible configuration Microsoft could use for Scorpio, any other suggestions?
wapplew
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
If it is 6TF and comes out November 2017 then I guess it would make some sense to make as much money in the next 18 months with the slim Xbox One and then phase it out.
It would be too compromised to do games for both with a 4X raw (and likely more in reality) performance difference compared to Neo's more manageable ~2X.
This assumes the rumours are true about the Xbox One slim though. Actually given the rumoured launch is August (ekim found NDA'd FCC files that end in July) have you not heard about the details of it, Osiris?
What?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I agree with this 100%.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
LOL. Now that's just mean.
I'm literally one of the more cool and reasonable gamers on this board, so if anyone has such a view of me, then the problem is obviously with them and not me. I just plain love games regardless of the platform. You say some positive things about xbox and its games that people disagree with, and all of a sudden you're branded some kind of radical. Anyway, this is all off topic, so I'm going to go back to lurking and watching all this stuff play out. Can't wait to attend E3 again this year and hang out with some of the cool folks I met last year.
I don't think they are going to phase out the Xbox One Slim...that's going to be their "low end" Xbox to get the mass market. The Scorpio will probably be their "high end".
InsaneTiger
Member
I don't own an Xbox personally but the console war vitriol from both sides is annoying and childish.
I look forward to both updates or whatever is announced. This is a very exciting time.
I look forward to both updates or whatever is announced. This is a very exciting time.
lighthouse777
Member
why does that bother you?
how do you know beyond a doubt they are what you call them? what do they do that affects your life? .. enough
what are you passionate about? football games etc?
this thread is about xbox Scorpio lets stay on topic please, Mom here
digoutyoursoul
Member
I hear you, I simply don't buy into the passion thing some guys thrown on him, the man spends way more time on social media than the actual console , playing games.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I wouldn't be confident right now that Microsoft would support it well into 2018/19 as well as Scorpio and PC?
Then again this is why I think they (and Sony) need to come out early and explain their philosophy going forward. There are so many ways they could go about this and I'd imagine Microsoft are particularly sensitive about what happened with Kinect and no doubt want to get this right.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
Couldn't resist.
I actually think Don Mattrick gets unfairly blamed for a lot as if he personally made every decision around Xbox. Granted he made some really bad statements but I felt they were caught completely off guard by the backlash. I mean, I was excited for all the tv integration stuff because I knew the box would play the games and this was additional features I could use so in essence I was their target audience for their initial announcement. Then again I'm in my thirties.
On another note, more on topic, last night while playing NHL 16 I was getting horrible frame rate (my guess would be 20-25fps) and thinking to myself the new box can't come soon enough.
And how do you suppose know that he spends more time doing such without taking time of your schedule researching that? You don't have to "buy" into anything, but judging someone based off of what you see isn't always the best thing to do and really reflects on the type of person you are. Especially when talking about someone.
Eitherway...we are way off topic and talking about someone who isn't even here is really nonsensical.
THE:MILKMAN said:
Why wouldn't they support their consoles well into 2018/2019? They have a huge number of consumers that have these devices and that they can sell to. That would be dumb to not support them, they are buying your software more than anyone else.
So what if he does? Until he walks in to your house and stands in front of your tv screaming his love of xbox in your face, he isn't stopping you from enjoying games how you like to enjoy them. Don't worry about him, or other fanboys and enjoy the games you like to enjoy.
Fanboyism doesn't have to affect you, it only does so if you let it. Arguing about someone being a fanboy is far more disruptive to your hobby than the fanboys are themselves.
Anyway, Scorpio, I'll probably get one.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Who's worried about him? All I am saying is I don't agree that he's very passionate as people have said and gave my reasons. That's it.
Yes onto main topic, sorry
I don't have any thoughts about TimDog either way (I only know he exists because some of you guys keep bringing him up in irrelevant topics...), but I don't think spending a shitton of time on social media is an argument against anyone's passion for gaming. We often joke about being on GAF more than playing games... but I would still argue that the majority of us here that actually applies to, are still more passionate about gaming than many people that it doesn't. It's simply far easier to be on here talking about games at times where it isn't feasible to play them. I've had rather limited gaming time for quite a while now, but there are few moments during my waking hours where I can't afford momentary glances at GAF, and to throw out a quick response when something catches my attention... and I do this because gaming occupies my thoughts well beyond the times I physically spend playing them. I can talk about a game I'm interested in for countless hours over the course of two years of development, even if it will only take 10 hours to complete once I get it... it's part of the enjoyment of the medium.
Well they have previous in that regard.
I'd be tempted to do the same - have Scorpio games be backward compatible with Xbox one and 360 games, but not let them run on XB1. Most publishers will support both for a while anyway.
If MS can do a new generation then they might be able to pick for Scorpio to be the lead console platform for development and then port down to neo/PS4/XB1, which might put them in a good position moving forward.
Will be a slow, uphill slog though whatever they do.
It truly has.
kingwingin
Member
With the neo rumours, it was basically sony deciding to either spend more to keep the same chips or do a slight upgrade for cheaper. Wouldnt microsoft have to make that same decision when making a slim xbox?
Maybe scorpio is the slim xbox?
Maybe scorpio is the slim xbox?
As an executive, your job is to take the fall if all your tiny decisions amount to a failiure.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I highly doubt it. Your username would be the outcome.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
I understand the concept. I didn't say he shouldn't have had to go. What I said was that he was getting unfairly blamed for the entire mess. Lots of people find themselves in positions where they promote or defend decisions that they may or may not agree with. It's how companies work. He was the head guy for Xbox, the response to the new console was very negative so they replaced him. Comes with the territory. But people also acted like he walked into work one day, drew a plan on a whiteboard and no one else had a say.
Phil is now there and doing a lot better in the position. But even Phil opened E3 with Call of Duty instead of Ori which was his preferred choice. So if people thought that was a bad decision he'd have been blamed even though it isn't what he personally wanted to do.
For the record I don't think Don Mattrick was doing a good job at all in understanding what the consumers wanted which was a big problem for Xbox.
Why? it'd be better than buying a whole new box for consumers, cheaper at least.
(I don't think it'll happen though)
Colbert
Banned
nah!
Yes, two different chips. The larger Polaris 10 chip is 'Ellesmere' and the smaller Polaris 11 is 'Baffin'.
http://videocardz.com/58634/amd-confirms-polaris-10-is-ellesmere-and-polaris-11-is-baffin
http://wccftech.com/amd-16nm-ellesmere-baffin-arctic-islands-taped-out-2016-production/
Polaris 10 / Radeon RX 480:
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10-graphics-card-leak/
Just don't see the X1s being too prominent on shelves once Scorpio hits. Think they will be phased out by 2018. Around when MS can drop the price of Scorpio. Making the X1 slim doesn't equate to it becoming a mass market product. Considering the sales trajectory X1 is on even in its biggest territories I don't see it taking off to the point where it's worth it to keep selling beyond 2018. Keep the games coming but I would focus on the Roku stick and the Scorpio.
OsirisBlack
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Heard absolutely nothing at all about the Scorpio on the hardware front outside of the fact that it is happening. No specs no nothing, Sony has the leakiest ship at the moment.
Edited to add: Just checked because I hadn't in a while were only offering $80 for XB1 so I wouldn't bet on it being around long after Scorpio drops.
I seriously hope Scorpio has Zen CPU, a mid-size GPU Vega 11 (obviously not AMD's monster flagship; Vega 10 aka Greenland, but Vega 11 should be more powerful than Polaris 10) and 12-16 GB HBM2.
Microsoft, AMD, Samsung (HBM2) could give each other good deals. $499 high-end console for fall 2017. Would be powerful enough for some native 4K games, though still mainly 1080p. But also, more importantly, work with Oculus Rift CV1 and meets the required specs for CV2.
Scorpio would essentially be the next generation Xbox and have 2 or 3 years on the market before Sony could have the PS5 out.
By then Xbox One Slim could be $199 and positioned against micro-consoles like Amazon Fire TV, Nvidia Shield TV, Apple TV etc.
Could this be what MS is targeting?Yes, two different chips. The larger Polaris 10 chip is 'Ellesmere' and the smaller Polaris 11 is 'Baffin'.
http://videocardz.com/58634/amd-confirms-polaris-10-is-ellesmere-and-polaris-11-is-baffin
http://wccftech.com/amd-16nm-ellesmere-baffin-arctic-islands-taped-out-2016-production/
Polaris 10 / Radeon RX 480:
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10-graphics-card-leak/
Damn.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Many reasons but..
Most console buyers want plug and play (they don't like fiddling with hardware) and also consoles now are glorified graphics cards with a HDD/PSU attached and placed in a box.
Just thinking of the logistics of this hurts my head! I'm sure it was explored by Sony and Microsoft in the past but it seems iterative won out as the best compromise.
OsirisBlack said:
Yeah that isn't much of a surprise about Scorpio given the rumoured release date but I was asking about the Xbox One slim. Surely if that is coming in August retail should know about it by now!?
Maybe Microsoft just do things last minute?
Maybe.
5.5 TFLOPs GPU, and IF they'd use AMD's Zen CPU, it would have a lot more FP performance than Jaguar, and thus probably be able to make up the difference between 5.5 TFLOPs and the reported 6 TF target for Scorpio. Even a quad-core Zen would smack the shit out of the 8-core Jaguar.
They could do something similar to the Surface Book where you just "plug" the GPU part in and it looks natural, I think the way Surface Book does it keeps it simple and would keep the console "feel" and easiness and you just replace the GPU/Keyboard part when you want to upgrade. But that's probably expensive to do looking at surface prices.
Of course I don't think they're actually going to do it, it's pretty obvious they're going the iPad/iPhone route.
Totaleclipes
Banned
Hmmm that's new to me, never knew that having preferred brand made you a fanboy. Well I guess we learn something new everyday lol.
rokkerkory
Member
Yeah I think the CPU will be much more interesting, at least for me. Jaguar won't cut it for a 5+ TF gpu.
Zok310
Banned
I don't think console games would go for it and i don't see PC gamers going for it either. But hey, can't knock MS for trying if they do go the upgradeable route.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Anything is possible and I wouldn't rule anything out no matter how outlandish right now.
With the designer of the Surface now in charge of all hardware then he could come up with something out of left field.
So many changes are about to happen in the console space I don't know whether to be excited or terrified....
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
I wonder if instead of doing the upgrade thing if Microsoft would consider going the Steam Machine road where they basically make the Xbox OS and interface and have whatever 1st party games but allow other companies to build the box.
They could theoretically even do the PC thing where they have Surface as a reference device but others make PCs.
Correct me if I'm wrong but now that XB1 and PS4 are x86 aren't they basically PCs with custom operating systems so shouldn't it be easier to have a wider range of hardware work with the games? Particularly if they focus on UWP?
They could theoretically even do the PC thing where they have Surface as a reference device but others make PCs.
Correct me if I'm wrong but now that XB1 and PS4 are x86 aren't they basically PCs with custom operating systems so shouldn't it be easier to have a wider range of hardware work with the games? Particularly if they focus on UWP?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I don't think it's something the market want, or would accept. However, I wonder what could be added (ports), and at what expense, to support the option for it? If it's quite cheap, it might be worthwhile doing to give us that possibility, however remote.
True.
Mikey Jr.
Member
How important is it that Sony have a year head start in nullifying the power difference in terms of sales?
Like, if they both came out at the same time, Sony might be in trouble.
But if they get a year headstart? Think it would be hard for Ms to convert ps4 fans at that point?
That extra year Ms had with the 360 really helped them out i think.
Like, if they both came out at the same time, Sony might be in trouble.
But if they get a year headstart? Think it would be hard for Ms to convert ps4 fans at that point?
That extra year Ms had with the 360 really helped them out i think.
DagnastyEp
Member
I'm hoping/predicting for Scorpio to have:
CPU: 8 core Zen. I think for BC they'll want to keep the same number of physical cores (even though Zen will have SMT)
GPU: ~6TF as rumored. I'm cut down Vega, rather than Polaris - not that it would matter much
RAM: 16-24 - not sure what type they'd use. Rift requires 8GB system ram and a GPU with 4GB VRAM, but I think they can and will ship with at least 16 GB. RAM has always been one of the biggest jumps from console gen to gen, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent jump here.
Due to this not being a traditional full generation leap, I don't think the head start really matters. People aren't as thirst for new hardware as they normally would be when new consoles release.
Having said that, I think MS has far bigger problems than their release schedule with regards to "catching" Sony.
kingwingin
Member
usually console releases start slow and id say a year headstart wouldnt matter. But this year we have 3 heavy hitting shooters dropping and id see it difficult for microsoft to get people to invest in an xbox one or hold out for the scorpio.
