Art Vandilay
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Nobody knows at this point, but it's highly unlikely in my opinion granted Scorpio is rumored to release later.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Nobody knows at this point, but it's highly unlikely in my opinion granted Scorpio is rumored to release later.
I could be wrong, but I disagree with that comparison.
Microsoft hyped OG Xbox GPU with 140 (141.1) GFLOPs @ 300 MHz (GDC 2000) before the clockspeed downgrade to 233 MHz.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=988877
However, even with NV2A @ 233 MHz, Nvidia was still rating it as something like 80 GFLOPs. Will have to find a quote to back that up.
The more "realistic" figure was 20 GFLOPs. In that sense, 20 GFLOPS for OG Xbox, should not be compared to the "2 TFlops" for PS3 at E3 2005.
I'd compare OG Xbox's 141 GFLOPS (which went down to 80 GFLOPS) to PS3's 2 TFLOPS (or the 1.8 TFLOPs for the RSX alone) Probably fudged in the same way, thus the term "NvFlops".
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rokkerkory
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Is it 4.19TF now? Honest question haven't followed closely today.
Exactly where did you get the prices for both of these devices?
Art Vandilay
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I'm pretty sure it's still 4.14.
cyberheater
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Please 'o lord make the Scorpio significantly more powerful then the Neo.
My thought is that - the Neo (IF marketed correctly and priced right $349 - $399) could seriously harm the Scorpio in it's 1 year advantage. Sony can potentially get to enjoy a years lead of sales of both consoles (OG, Neo) and in a years time drop the price by $50 - $100. If what im reading in this thread is true - there's a good chance the Scorpio will be anywhere from $400 - $500 which puts them into a serious price disadvantage going into the holidays (assuming it releases in Q4 2017). The power gap will be questioned as in "is it worth the $100+." On top of that with PS already at 40+ million and Xbox at about 20+ million another year with 2 PS consoles on the market is going to significantly outpace Xbox's market share. How many will jump eco-systems? I don't know. I feel like Sony is just slapping MSFT in every round. Even that quote how MSFT had to announce this thing because of Sony's NEO - they were caught sleeping.....AGAIN.
especially since we know nothing about the cpu
neos cpu is ass plain and simple, wouldnt take much to get a better one there
Interfectum
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If I were a betting man I'd say your wish will come true. Shit is about to get nuts.
If the Neo didn't launch in 2016, they would be having the same amount of power Scorpio ends up getting. the only difference was timing and who is willing to wait.
Also, the Scorpio rumor is 5-6 tlfops, so 2tflops is on the highest end of the scale.
Not to say they should not get as much power out of the box as they can to stay competitive, but what's your anticipation for on a personal level?
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Maybe they don't feel Neo is powerful enough.
CrimsonEclipse
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Console warz, insecurities, fear, curiosity, etc, etc.
they would be right to do so. its a nice gpu paired with a shit cpu
I'm not him, but based on the passive aggressive fanboy anxiety we are seeing over simple rumors, if it comes to fruition we will have a world class fireworks display.
Ok it's definitely been way too long ago - I forgot all about those slides - they even managed to fudge the fill-rate numbers... Although weren't those before NVidia deal was confirmed?AmyS said:
Anyway 20GFlops would still need creative arithmetics though - programmable Flops to support it simply weren't there, and it's not a straightforward count like PS2 or PS4/XB1 ratings.
I added that because i thought it fit. =P
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I'm hoping for at least a GTX 970 level GPU plus as much CPU grunt they can muster out of those mobile chips.
Yep. It would be glorious.
Interfectum
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Niro, Bish and co are sharpening their blades for E3. No one is safe.
It's insane that it would make people upset, competition is a great thing.
No one wants to live in a world where there is only one console.
Not necessarily, if Neo was planned for early 2017 and Scorpio for late 2017. Not to mention that Neo clearly wasn't designed to be the next big console, it was designed to be a premium device serving the enthusiasts, coexisting alongside the PS4. That's evident from Sony's restrictions on development.
If Microsoft is targetting 6TF, that is clearly more than just an Xbox One for enthusiasts, that's their next big thing.
So different strategies could have easily led to different hardware while having similar launch windows. As evident by how Xbox One was designed to not have "high end GPU".
But you have to remember that many GAFers are in fact wealthy board members of both Microsoft and Sony. So they have the livelihood of their families to look out for.
I don't think that's true.
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People hated iterative and complained about skipping a mid gen upgrade all of a sudden think the Neo is going to eat Scorpio's lunch. Will Sony have enough to show during that purported head start to make people take the plunge over sticking with PS4? That's the question. I will prob pick one up for persona 5 as I traded in my ps4 a couple of weeks back. But then again I was always down with iterations as long add the jump is solid. Scorpio will be my main though as I enjoy the ecosystem more.
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Oh there are plenty of people would love nothing more than to have just one console.
cyberheater
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Yep. It's going to get interesting.
LOL what?
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We need at least two competitors minimum. Otherwise we'd never get upgrades and we'd be playing the same shit forever so they could maximize profits.
Obscuritas
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The point of all of this is to have no more remastered editions.
kingwingin
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Yeah but people dont realize that.
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Hey man. TLOU:R is still one of my favorites of this gen.
you think a remaster of a 10 year old game will get people racing to a new console?
Possibly. it was called the X-Chip, but could've been when GigaPixel was still meant to design a GP-4 GPU for Xbox.
I'm thinking 20 GFlops was semi- programmable given Xbox GPU had twin Vertex Shaders, unlike GeForce 3 (and like GF4 Ti)
While not the same level of programabability as PS2's Emotion Engine with its Vector Units (EE 6.2 GFLOPs total including the CPU's FPU), but in the same sense as GameCube's Flipper GPU was 9.4 GFLOPS @ 162 MHz (10.5 GFLOPs total, with Gekko).
I really don't know though. Just comparing the big hype figures with other big hype figures, and more plausible figures with other plausible figures.
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I'm sorry I blacked out and pulled out my debit card when I heard Halo and Scorpio. What happened?
InquisitorAles
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It's not just some 10 year old game, it's Halo 3
THE:MILKMAN
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That may be but I doubt they have much choice. Zen is looking like a high end desktop class CPU for the first few months of 2017 and even in a semi-custom 4C/8T version @2-2.5GHz I would think come in around 40 Watts versus Jaguar @2.1GHz around 20-25 Watts? Assuming both at 14nm.
Both clearly are going with getting as much bang as they can from the GPU whilst keeping the power (~150W) and cost ($399) down. Neither Sony nor Microsoft would dare pump out another $599 console.
I would love nothing more than to have both a top GPU and CPU but I just can't see it happening right now. Prove me wrong Sony/Microsoft!
It's Halo 3 breh.
Lol cyber, Scorpio will most definitely be more powerful than the Neo.
Now the thing worth speculating is whether they go with Vega + HBM2 like they should. Or if they cheapen the fuck out and go Polaris which I doubt for a console coming in late 2017.
Either way, it'll have custom Zen architecture. That's a very safe bet now.
Edit: Halo 3 remastered to sell Scorpio? Lmfao yes, to all 12 of you after that MCC shit.
Art Vandilay
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Icespide on this one. I'm not trusting any Halo remaster after the shit show that was MCC.
Bitch Pudding
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What makes you think there will be a Halo game for Scorpio? Would be as surprising as a Mario game for NX...
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Halo 3 Remaster would have the same impact on console sales as Uncharted (Nathan Drake Collection): negligible. Another Halo (6) could do the trick, but the series lost a lot of it's mojo. But who knows, maybe they'll manage to come up with a new system seller?
yeah but Sony pretty much made that bed themselves
That's why you should take comfort in that, they'd never let that shit happen again. Especially with Halo 3 (if it exists).
Art Vandilay
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I hope you're right. Let's just say I definitely won't pre-order it, although I guess I shouldn't be pre-ordering anything.
If they remaster GTA again I'm going to be pissed. Unless it's free this time.
If they have a Halo 3 remaster and it launches with the same issues as MCC then it's GG for Halo. It's simple game theory, they know to anticipate that.