My name is FordGTGuy, I like walks on the beach and Xbox.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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My name is FordGTGuy, I like walks on the beach and Xbox.
what's wrong with me? this sounds plausible
Pathfinder
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Of course. Has to be.
SpartanN92
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I realize this is entirely anecdotal but I have loads of friends that bought Xbone's off the promise of being able to play 1080p 60fps Halo 3.
Well we all know how that worked out :/ MCC was an utter disaster.
We still still want nothing more than to play Halo 3 on reliable servers with a stable population.
oldergamer
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All of which are logical extensions and money making endevours. MS is NOT going to make a console that can host steam and sell games they will not get a cut of. That make zero business sense.
It won't be a PC, they already make PC's for that purpose. You're saying two things that contradict each other. That they will make it open and a walled garden at the same time. That makes no business sense. What would be the benefit to MS as a whole?
Sure they are making it more open to an extent with Universal windows apps, but they won't take xbox further then that. They might bring more xbox software to PC, but it makes little sense to make a console into a small form factor PC.
Damn right it's anecdotal. Tons of people aren't going to flock to a new console to play Halo 3 dude. Halo 3 gameplay is dated as hell.
rokkerkory
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Unless they do a full remaster for launch, it'll help
what would help more is Halo 6 being good and at launch
SpartanN92
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Unless they do a full remaster for launch, it'll help
That's what I'm saying... I mean look at the hype CoD MW remastered is getting...older people want their classic childhood gameplay back and the younger kids may have never played them and want to give it a try.
A remastered Halo 3 would sell great!
Halo 5 is a solid product. It's the best Halo since Halo 3 and if that game didn't grab loads of people to buy an X1.....Unless they do a full remaster for launch, it'll help
The Halo franchise needs a serious rework.
No, it wouldn't. People play those games for about a week or two tops and then never come back. It's just like backwards compat. People bitch about wanting it but then barely use it once they get it.
it would sell fine but it wouldn't sell new consoles. same for MW
SpartanN92
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Again, I say this anecdotally, but this would sell consoles, at least among my group of friends... I realize that we are not the mass market, but I'm sure that there are plenty of like minded people that would invest in a new console for this.
That idea is as old as the original X-Box concept itself, dating all the way back to 1998, 1999.
The convergence of Xbox being a full-blown PC unofficially resurfaced again, a year before the Xbox 360 was revealed. http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/26/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
Yet it's never fully come to fruition.
oldergamer
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...and it won't. people need to realize this.
Xbox Scorpio 2TB Halo 3 Anniversary, Gears of War 4, Sea of Thieves bundle - $399.Unless they do a full remaster for launch, it'll help
Boom.
SpartanN92
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Lol wishful thinking on that bundle price
Hawk269
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You know Etta, I love a lot of your posts, but whatever you are smoking or drinking, you need to lay off of it a bit. That reads like someone that is completely wasted/drunk or perhaps slightly insane. :
) Said with love though!Well I mean assuming Scorpio base is already $399, Halo 3 wouldn't be full priced, probably $30, Gears of War 4 and Sea of Thieves are both 1 year old at that point AND Microsoft games, so cheap to include.You know Etta, I love a lot of your posts, but whatever you are smoking or drinking, you need to lay off of it a bit. That reads like someone that is completely wasted/drunk or perhaps slightly insane. :
I agree.
Also, here are the earliest NextGen magazine articles on X-Box in 1999, leading up to its announcement at GDC 2000.
To complete this set of articles:
Note: ^ that real-time version of the Two To Tango demo is running on NV15 (GeForce2 GTS) not NV25. which probably only existed on paper at that point as a set of specs (same with GigaPixel's GP-4 GPU which MS ultimately rejected in favor of Nvidia's tech which was proven and leading edge) would eventually be GeForce4 Ti in early 2002.
The actual final Xbox GPU (NV2A) was a hybrid of GF3 (NV20) and GF4Ti (NV25) and basically in-between in performance.
PC gaming, dying since 1999.
wapplew
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It will happen when Scorpio sold horribly like his big brother.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
lol I laughed at that too.
pixelation
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Just imagine if that were to really happen... mass hysteria over at MS HQ.
LQX
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Man, all these years later and I still cant get over that hip edgy transformation Allard got. He looks 20 years older in that picture than he did after the transformation. Amazing.
I listed several ways they make money despite allowing competing digital stores, the gist of which amounts to offering more compelling digital goods and discounts that get users to choose the Windows Store. They need the users first though and there's not much in there to draw in users.
With critical mass in users MS can get devs and publishers thinking Windows (DX12, UWP, Windows Store, etc) first, including both PC and Xbox, maybe shifting momentum back in Microsoft's court in terms of being a target platform, being more popular with gamers, etc.
I wouldn't underestimate how much a Xbox Live sub could do for them to offset the cost of users choosing other stores from time to time. If, for example, they had 100 million folks buy the next Xbox and only like 30% of them signed up for a $60 Gold sub (no MP restriction, think EA/Origin Access) that's at least $1.8 billion a year. It's still a multi-billion dollar console business just based on Live subs IF they can get the number of device users to grow significantly.
Now think of that larger install base and add in new first-party game sales, third-party game digital sales from users who choose Windows Store, royalties on disc sales, accessory sales and royalties from licenses on third-party accessory sales, and app and movie/TV sales. There's still a lot of money on the table.
Getting number of users to grow significantly and showing devs there is a lot of momentum in the platform is first. MS needs a hook and I don't think the same familiar tune they've been playing for the past 3 years is going to make a lick of difference with a more powerful console. They need to be highly disruptive. They need to do something pro-consumer that people don't expect, with the affect of having people think owning a Windows 10 PC or Xbox is a no brainer. Once they have those users then it should be a snowball effect in terms of more Live subs, games, apps, etc.
Absolutely hilarious in retrospect. What did we get? 3.5 years of gems like Brute Force, Wreckless, and Blinx the Time Sweeper.
My point for posting those articles was to show what the industry speculation was regarding the possible / likely XBox hardware, and what the official specs were at GDC 2000.
Not about "PC gaming is doomed". Wasn't trying to be funny.
SenjutsuSage
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I'm saying devs will possibly be less likely to limit a scorpio title based on what can be achieved on an xbox one as compared to the neo which, supposedly, releases much sooner.
Initially I'm thinking many games made for Neo will have to be somewhat possible on PS4, but by the time Scorpio releases, we could end up seeing more of a shift towards Neo, Scorpio and PC only. I understand that's still quite early in the cycle, so, for many, xbox one and ps4 will still make sense, but I can definitely imagine an atmosphere where the later released scorpio is held back even less by Xbox One or PS4, and is instead sharing most of its releases with Neo and PC.
ASilentProtagonist
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Halo, Forza Motorsport, Mech Assault, Mech Assault 2, Project Gotham Racing, Project Gotham Racing 2, Conker Live and Reloaded, Jet Set Radio Future, Fable, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Kung Fu Chaos, Rallisport Challenge 1 & 2, Shenmue II, Jade Empire, Star Wars KOTOR... oh and Halo 2.
But if you want just want to ignore those... I guess that's fine.
Hawk269
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Yeah, but those weren't big games Ford! lol. Love how some people can dismiss all those titles.
On topic....
Going to predict that it will be Turn 10 and Forza 7 that will lead the charge for what the Scorpio can do.
And Ninja Gaiden!
Samurai G0SU
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And highspeed online mp on consoles! Wolfenstien i still remember you... Sniff...
Bitch Pudding
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The audience is listening to Windows store but not buying there. Why would they? So far, Steam is still the superior because open platform for PC games. Almost every PC player already has a huge library there and they can't migrate that to XBOX. I am well aware that MS will never allow that, but man, if they did, this would be an insta-buy.
Except in Telltales case where kids buy their games on their parents' phones/tablets/computers, those kids don't have already established Steam libraries nor do they care about it.
Erm, I know...Just pointing out that part was funny.
Bitch Pudding
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So, you want to place your hopes on those kids and their huge monthly budget for games on XBOX? I have those (kids and budget
), and they play games on Nintendo DS, iPad or Kindle Fire, and the oldest one on PS3. They don't even know what a Windows store is (and I won't tell them 
). Long story short, pretty sure MS doesn't focus on kids these days.Well, that's the really interesting part, isn't it? Will MS allow Scorpio exclusive non-VR games? Sony clearly forbids that, even special game modes for Neo. So, what's MS going to do? Follow the shared library idea or go a separate route with exclusives? Thing is, with the much bigger power gap and different memory solutions between both SKUs, XBOX One is clearly holding Scorpio far more back than PS4 is holding back PS4 Neo. I mean, what's the point in going forwars "big numbers" if your new console can't truly exploit it's power. And with that I mean not only the resolution of games, or AA, but the sheer scale of games which will be limited by the weakest link of the chain.
I'm not placing any hopes on anything. You're trying to put words in my mouth or downplay or spin or something.So, you want to place your hopes on those kids and their huge monthly budget for games on XBOX? I have those, and they play games on Nintendo DS, iPad or Kindle Fire, and the oldest one on PS3. They don't even know what a Windows store is (and I won't tell them
The article is simple, Windows Store has a wider reach than Steam, and Telltale is happy about that.
Nothing more nothing less.
Bitch Pudding
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And I was just mocking you because the fact that the Windows-bundled Windows store has a wider reach than non-Windows-bundled Steam is just trivial.
Tell me which games in your opinion are "truly" next gen to you this gen. Not from a graphical point of view but from gameplay and tell me why these games were not possible on last gen.
Especially this gen with all the remasters showed how more power is used.
It's not trivial any more since it's a competent storefront now. It can compete.
nekkid
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Never heard of a single one of those games. I did enjoy Quantum Redshift, though.
Bitch Pudding
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Obviously, there isn't that huge gap we saw in earlier generations, but besides graphics, the number of simultaneous players in Multiplayer games comes to mind. Or more cars on a track in racing games.Or the number of NPCs. It's kinda obvious that you can do much more with a console which has 5 times more power than the old one.
But do we have more cars in racing games? Do we have more NPCs? I feel like from a gameplay perspective the vast majority of devs can do what they want to do right now already. Compare Arkham Asylum to Arkham Knight, Oblivion to Fallout 4, Or GTA 5 on last gen to any current gen game, I don't see much if any improvement in gameplay possibilities.
The jump from ps2/xbox to ps3/360 was vast, assassins creed would simply not have been possible on the previous gen for example. But so far this gen feels like last gen games with prettier graphics. Even the tech heavy hitters like quantum break or Uncharted 4 would be totally possible on last gen without sacrificing anything in terms of gameplay.
There are very few though that could do more gameplay wise on better hardware, No mans sky I imagine for example, but it's like a handful of games and these few might then be scorpio exclusives. No one will rage too much if we get 2 scorpio exclusives 2 years after the system is out (6 years after the xbox one came out)
So I really don't think there is a whole lot of holding back.
hasn't it been a "competent storefront" since Windows 8?