Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I think it could end up more if anything.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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I think it could end up more if anything.
yea they said they wanted a big jump. less than 6tf doesnt seem so huge
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yup, I'm almost certain that this will be the case.
tiredheadcrab
Member
I dont think MS is going to load up Scorpio with a full version of Windows 10. Too complex for the console market.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
That's true. I just hope this time they come with something that is on par or better than the competition. Cannot be worse again. But I am sure MS is not about to mess that up again.
I sure hope so to be honest. Actually I hope we'll be seeing exclusives much sooner.
AnthonypUK
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Thye can't do that, at least not alone, Third parties is where its at Activision/EA/T2 aren't going to release "next gen" exclusives for Scorpio alone.
They will be still making games for the PS4/PS4k Audience of possibly 70m+ by holiday 2017 and the XBO audience of 35-40 million, with the restrictions that come from games for those consoles.
nelsonroyale
Member
Considering the Neo seems further along than the Scorpio, this doesn't seem to hold water. It would more likely to anticipate a move my MS, rather than in response.
That depends on the devs though, sure platform holders could release latest platform exclusives but if devs want to release games on old consoles, they still could if they see a good return.
Relax. Look at my gamertag, How do you think I got that? I bought into the Xbox hype day one and was on XBL literally hour one.
There's no need to try and start a list war from 2004.
with the news that PS4 Neo is going to be using RX 480, suddenly the idea that "Scorpio" could be significantly more powerful seems to have gone out the window. in fact if anything I would bet on a PS4/Xbone situation where they're using the same parts but Sony have more cleverly managed die space and have a substantial lead. sorry scorpio, back in the dumpster with you.
SEGAvangelist
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Well... you did make a bad post.
Yes, you can. If a developer still wants to target Xbox, they still have to go through the Windows Store. They can still release their game on their own Store for PC or any other device that can run UWAs.
Pretty bold post.
Seeing as the PS-Neo is supposed to launch this year and the Scorpio in 2017
Things change. Nothing is official. We are all speculating on "rumors". The current PS4 / XBOX-One situation? PS4 is a better machine ... but seeing a huge difference, graphic-wise? No. Unless it's an exclusive. The current-generation consoles suffer (yes, both of them) from weak hardware.
Is this a joke post?
Nah bruh, don't you know Sony got this!
SneakyStephan
Banned
The console wars are already in full force again I see , hahaaha
Here we go...
CrimsonEclipse
Member
What? Joke post?
People seem really desperate to eliminate the possibility that Scorpio has a significant chance of being more powerful than Neo. Do we even know what GPU Scropio is using? Doesn't it have a new architecture (rumored of course).
Lots of factors and uncertainties right now, and everything are rumors even with the Neo until confirmed otherwise.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Of course they can. Every other generation has done it and this is no different. Furthermore, the Scorpio specs would still be within PC Ultra settings, so its not like they are having to do stuff they aren't already doing.
I expect there will be some cross generational games in the first year or two, especially from the big obvious ones like COD and FIFA. Beyond that, I don't see it.
Put it this way, I would bet the earth that Halo 6 does not appear on the XB1. Not unless its 720p and 30fps.
Microsoft will want consumers to push forward and buy the new machine, not linger on with a product that's been a disaster for them.
These big companies know what the other is up to long before we do. Both companies can, and will have had their new console in development for some time. You can't launch a product like this overnight. The difference is that Sony are choosing hardware that's good and readily available, whereas MS appear to be pushing the boat out and using what will be fairly cutting edge for the time of the release (for a console). That's what gives the 1 year time difference.
Plus as I said, I believe this a strategic move from Sony, not just a case of them being first to come up with the idea. They don't want to scrap the PS4 and start again, so instead elect to come to market first with a weaker machine but one that can help maintain momentum to hold off Microsoft's next gen push.
IMO
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Can you wave your warrior flag any harder? Jesus Christ.
That said, I'm honestly in practise a 1080/900p situation for most demanding titles. Maybe not even that as long as developers still work towards acceptable performance on vanilla PS4/X1.
MilkyJoe
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If this is real, It's my favourite gaf post ever.
I think the Microsoft plan has been in the making a long time and the unification of PC and Xbox gaming is much more involved than just building higher spec'd hardware. Pretty sure this was even alluded to back during the pre-XB1 leaks.
Either way, it doesn't really matter it was reactionary by some party or they just both read the signs of the market.
justsomeguy
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I love it when people quote a poster I've got on ignore, and confirm just why they're on ignore.
Get that console warrior bullshit out of here godelsmetric.
Get that console warrior bullshit out of here godelsmetric.
SEGAvangelist
Member
There just isn't much clear cut info about Scorpio going around. Eurogamer probably wants to wait until they have some solid info I'm guessing.
Contributions like these show me that certain individuals are annoyed... which will quickly turn to seething rage if one machine is considerably more powerful than another.
Whoever loses... we all win.
Rand0m TAG
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sometimes i wonder if people get paid to support a specific console.
i can admit i bought an xbox, but not because i think they released a superior console or believe in the cloud, but because i like their exclusives more than playstation.
i can admit i bought an xbox, but not because i think they released a superior console or believe in the cloud, but because i like their exclusives more than playstation.
LukasTaves
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It might help. Perhaps a developer wouldn't change to the uwp because they feel like xbox+win store isn't big enough to justify the shift. But then they consider that supporting uwp will allow them to continue to support the platform they already have and support xbox and windows store with minimal added cost/time. At that point why not move to uwp and unify the development and reach a bigger user base?
Freeman
Banned
So funny how the difference that is relatively the same between the Xbox S and PS4K as the one we have between the XB1 and PS4 is now going to be painted as a massive difference.
Some cringe mathematical spins in this tread a few pages ago. By the same logic if we have two consoles in the future that have a 1% difference in power the difference between them will be massive as long as the numbers are big.
Some cringe mathematical spins in this tread a few pages ago. By the same logic if we have two consoles in the future that have a 1% difference in power the difference between them will be massive as long as the numbers are big.
lol what is this dumb bullshit?
just wait for all the "ugh parity I'm not buying this shit" threads when scorpios power is not utilized
SEGAvangelist
Member
It has been painted as a massive difference in the past, unless you're only reading certain posts around here. Sony diehards have been slamming XB1 as underpowered for a long time. MS nuts will do the same to Neo if Scorpio really is a 20-45% increase in power. It's just console wars.
Ha! The Assassin's Creed Unity / Dragon Age Inquisition situation was absolutely cringeworthy.
Didn't a poster already explain this?
Something like:
1 is half of 2, but overall these numbers are close.
500 is half of 1000, but these numbers are nowhere near each other.
So the difference between neo and xbox scorpio might be percentage-wise the same as PS4 and Xbone, but that does not translate to real world power levels.
Ricky Ricardo
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Godel's posts usually lead to severe sarcasm meter malfunctions. He walks the line so masterfully, you can never be sure if he's cleverly reworded someone else's legitimately tool-made comment or if he is posting under his own power.
Truly a marvel of modern day trolling.
1.3 vs 1.8
=/=
4.2 vs 5.3
or
4.2 vs 6.0
No amount of goalpost moving changes that. But funny how you talk of cringe mathematical spins while calling the above-mentioned differences "relatively the same."
why? While people were falling over themselves with gushing praise for the 480, that stems mostly from price + performance. It isn't an outright performance monster.
And with the drop to 14/16nm processes, things are a little immature right now. the 480 is a tiny die - isn't it supposed to be 200sqmm or so? The 1080 is 300sqmm. The 980ti was 600sqmm, and the PS4/XB1 were 500sqmm.
The tech is likely to mature quite quickly, unlike a couple of years ago where the 28nm was pretty mature already. So if Scorpio is out 6 months after Neo, that could already be enough time for die sizes to increase and provide notably more power.
Chobel
Member
Except that you don't need PS4K to keep the marketshare intact. PS4K is not gonna change that MS has started a new gen and Sony is still in the old gen.
I think he meant the relative difference:
1.8 is 38% more than 1.3.
6 is 42% more than 4.2.
you think there will be Scorpio only games?
Came to see how this thread was doing...not disappointed
Don't worry Sony will save you from slightly inferior hardware!
Chobel
Member
Yes. Oculus support pretty much means Scorpio will have its exclusive VR games, and once you went there you may as well make non-VR Scorpio only games.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
It's not going to change no. But it gives them a much more competitive product than what the gulf would be between a Scorpio and standard PS4. From purely a hardware perspective of course.
If the tiring PS4 was the only thing Sony had on the market, then up comes this new much more powerful Xbox, that's gonna turn some heads and be a problem for Sony.
While PlayStation is currently in an advantageous position, the execs over there still consider Microsoft serious competition. North America and probably the UK are still anybodies to claim with the right product. Europe is more of a Sony stronghold but not impenetrable either.
Yes...but the thought is that are the only exclusives...xbox one support is forced for a specific period of time before it is no longer forced but still possible
The circle must be made complete!
Honestly though while there's so much smoke I assume there's some fire somewhere way too many people in this thread are taking what remains no more than a rumor and one that contains the all important word "targeting" and assuming blue sky perfection and huge market impact.
I think a lot of people are setting themselves up to be disappointed (on both sides) as this kind of mid-gen stuff is new and there's no way to know how the market is going to react and it's clearly not a wise situation to get over invested in until facts are known
Nothing can compete with Sony. This is what you can learn here. Everything MS does, Sony knows of and can do better because they are an electronics company.
You're saying that +.5 is the same as +2.
Now that's some cringy math.
Wait, double standards on the internet? Especially on GAF? That's unheard of!
There are idiots on both sides. We know which were and are this gen and will perhaps see with neo and Scorpio.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Whe should make a poll who's more pissed right now:
- early adopters of PS4 because there's a better PS4 incoming after 3,5 years
- early adopters of XBOX One because there's a new gen incoming after 4 years (let alone they paid a 100 extra bucks for Kinect, but I digest).
martino
Member
this is why theorical math is bad and why relative theorical math is even more bad
it tells nothings.
the bigger the difference is , the bigger the room for possible difference is .
make things relative can't change that.
MilkyJoe
Member
Begun the console wars have...
But seriously, I'm still amazed it is happening again so soon. 2 1/2 years is it?
Will we be able to take these incrementals? Will there be mass aneurysms on GAF. Exciting times.
Dont forget the third option....
One thing. Why is Scorpio a new Gen and Neo is just another PS4?
But seriously, I'm still amazed it is happening again so soon. 2 1/2 years is it?
Will we be able to take these incrementals? Will there be mass aneurysms on GAF. Exciting times.
Dont forget the third option....
One thing. Why is Scorpio a new Gen and Neo is just another PS4?
Aren't gens now out of the window?
Mixolydian
Member
I seem to be in a rare minority of those who are excited for the new Xbox despite being a day one buyer of the Xbox one.
And digest?
