Have you gotten it delivered yet? Anyone confirmed it's not just listed wrong?
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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks
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Have you gotten it delivered yet? Anyone confirmed it's not just listed wrong?
I find it odd that his founder edition stays below 65 C the whole video. Fans at 100%?
ShogunDarius
Member
oh...
I'm just wondering if I could run the game at max, the cpu part is what worries me
i'm gonna have
win 10
I7 3820 at stock 3.6ghz
1080 FTW
16gb Ram
finalflame
Banned
It's here. Soon.
Not delivered, it's avaliable since yesterday, but today they have less stock.
ScienceBro
Neo Member
Can anyone point me to a good resource to compare the reference and non-reference versions of the 1080? This will be my first time buying a new graphics card/GPU separate from the computer itself.
I'd really appreciate any advice about whether to go reference or non-reference and which card is best for VR with the Vive.
I'd really appreciate any advice about whether to go reference or non-reference and which card is best for VR with the Vive.
qa_engineer
Member
Thats the one I've been looking at. Trying really hard not to impulse purchase a founder's edition but after seeing these reports of throttling I will continue to wait.
demigod
Member
Don't buy reference, you'll thank me later.
Next week
ScienceBro
Neo Member
Noted. Is it that the reference ones are generally more expensive for the same performance? Or do non-references outperform because the sellers can tweak/improve them?
draughn101
Member
At this point, I'd say take an hour and read through this thread from page 1 before dropping $700 on one of these. The FE is considered by a large majority on here to be a major rippoff. It throttles, won't over clock as represented, and is less for $700 then you get from the board partners.
ScienceBro
Neo Member
Ok, I'll sit down tonight and read through the full thread (hoo boy). Is there currently a non-reference model that looks best?
draughn101
Member
It's all opinion based at this point, but a lot of people like EVGA for the warranty. So the SC or FTW look like good options. Mid June is still the timeframe on those. The Asus Strix looks good, great OC out of the box, but one report has it being a little loud. That is supposed to release on the 4th, but we haven't seen any confirmation in the US yet. The MSI is currently being reviewed by Jaytwocents.
Dont read the thread... founders / reference is crap, get one of the custom made cards
SC is a reference board just so you know
qa_engineer
Member
Boom. No reference card for me, I'll on to my money until next month.
draughn101
Member
Thanks for that factoid. Or are you saying he shouldn't get a reference board?
Did you know that the SC comes with a non-reference cooler?
I thought the press release said they'd be for sale starting on the 4th? Really hoping these rumors of them raising the price are not true.
Also really surprised to not see anything but the FEs up on Newegg. I'd prefer to go through them over Amazon so that I don't have to pay tax.
No it was just a factoid, since I thought it was a non-reference PCB before. Yeah I know it comes with ACX 3.0. But just so he know's that is still the same PCB as a reference card and FTW is a custom PCB.
Here you can see the SC in action : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ePLtROm6I Doom @ 4K
draughn101
Member
Yea, if you are jumping into this from square one, there's a lot of research they should be doing. If they want some baseline advice, avoid the reference, and assuming they have no knowledge on video cards, then getting the best warranty is probably a good idea. EVGA would be my recommendation, if they don't intend to do some serious research into their $700 purchase.
finalflame
Banned
That's not true. The FE overclocks just fine, it's the reference cooler that sucks and will not maintain low enough temperatures for it not to throttle at the default fan curve.
See my post on the previous page for overclocking results on my FE in the worst possible cooling scenario (constrained, passive cooling case).
The issue is the price, terrible cooler, and prioritizing fan speed over boost clocks. Once you set a custom fan curve you can overclock it with identical results to people overclocking the AIB versions so far, given you're lucky with the silicon lottery.
So far, we have seen zero evidence that AIB versions will overclock higher. Yes, in theory having more power delivery potential with 6+8 pin connectors and 10+2 phases allows for more headroom, but it doesn't mean the silicon inside the chips will perform. What is definitely true is that they have MUCH better coolers able to maintain MUCH lower temperatures.
FYI, my reference 980 Ti also overclocked to a stable 1520mhz core, on the high end of what AIB 980 Tis can overclock to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/3bc3gg/980_ti_overclock_thread/
The trend where will continue.
draughn101
Member
Doesn't the cooler negatively effect overclocking? That was the point I was trying to make. Also, it doesn't seem like anyone has been able to replicate the Nvidia overclocking presentation in performance or temps.
demigod
Member
Same. I'm disappointed they don't have any for preorder either.
ScienceBro
Neo Member
Time for research! I will keep the EVGA recommendation in mind though
draughn101
Member
lol, as you can see from the discussions over the last few posts, this thing isn't black and white. Best to read up, watch reviews, and form your own opinion.
Nyteshade517
Member
yeah...I plan on going with the 1070 (more than enough for me right now since I just have a 1080p monitor...hopefully 1440p down the line)
Amazon is a no go for me since they charge tax in my state now...before this year it was tax free
Not really - providing you are willing to ramp up the fan speeds. Nvidia have a really conservative fan limit at about 40% which isn't enough to stop the card hitting 82c (the default temp limit)
If they'd allow the fan to go a little higher then the boost clock would be sustainable by keeping below 82c
If they'd allowed a slightly higher temp limit then the boost clock would be sustainable at lower fan speeds (I think jayz2cents had it top out at about 86c on stock fans)
So nvidia have basically set the worst possible combination of fan/temp limit which results in the clocks bouncing around all over the place. Makes no sense.
so far i would recommend the MSI
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-x-8g-review,1.html
as far as i know, it the best most quiet tested so far.. (but so far its only this and the Asus i have seen tested with custom board + coolers)
but you have to wait like a week or two to get it
finalflame
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Temperatures will cause throttling, yes, unless you pump the fan up to high RPMs, in which case it cools enough to keep the clocks where you want them. As seen above, my 1080 stays above 2000mhz boost throughout Unigine Valley 1.0 benchmark at 1440p Ultra + 8xAA.
The reference cooler being shit is compounded by my card being in an RVZ02 (fully passive cooling case, no airflow, so the card is basically cooling itself in isolation while dealing with irradiated heat from the CPU/MB on the other side of the metal divider).
Basically, yes, the FE is a terrible value. You can get a much better cooler on an AIB for cheaper, and everyone should do that. I got the FE because I want to build a watercooled system with this card ASAP, and didn't want to wait for the AIBs and their respective EK blocks to come out.
However, there is so far no evidence that the AIBs will overclock higher than the FE. It's unclear whether the maximum clocks attainable with this card are limited by the silicon or the power delivery.
draughn101
Member
So has someone hit the 2114MHz and 67C temps that Nvidia was showing off at their presentation?
Temperatures will cause throttling, yes, unless you pump the fan up to high RPMs, in which case it cools enough to keep the clocks where you want them. As seen above, my 1080 stays above 2000mhz boost throughout Unigine Valley 1.0 benchmark at 1440p Ultra + 8xAA.
The reference cooler being shit is compounded by my card being in an RVZ02 (fully passive cooling case, no airflow, so the card is basically cooling itself in isolation while dealing with irradiated heat from the CPU/MB on the other side of the metal divider).
How high do you have to set the fan profile to maintain those clocks?
finalflame
Banned
I'd say it's impossible with the FE blower. Seems possible with the AIB coolers, though. Any link to where they showed those numbers? I tried, but can't find it, all I find is references to the normal boost clock (1733mhz).
In my case, where the GPU is entirely passively cooled, 100% RPM after 75degC. Not sure what the situation would be in literally any other case with better airflow.
I wouldn't do too much research yet. As others have stated avoid the FE at all costs. It has a bad cooler design and is way overpriced. Wait until some more reviews of the custom cards come out and then do lots of research. In the next few weeks at least a few sites will post comparison reviews where they thoroughly test and compare 4-5 of the custom boards. We still don't know much about how they compare in the real world.
draughn101
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finalflame
Banned
I'm venturing a guess that is NOT the FE blower, or it's inside an extremely well ventilated case and that scene is not very demanding at all.. But it also seems too hot for watercooling, so..go figure.
Locked at 60fps for basically rendering a single human model in an entirely black backdrop seems like a very non-demanding application. Probably explains the low temperatures.
FYI, I was able to keep ~2130mhz core clock in Unigine Valley for maybe the first 30 seconds, but at that point the temps get too high even for the blower at 100% RPM in my case. Will have to revisit this weekend once the waterblock is installed.
How loud does it get at 100%?
draughn101
Member
Pretty sure they stated it was a stock FE card that they just grabbed from the stack before the presentation. If I can find my headphones, I'll get you the exact minute from the presentation video.
finalflame
Banned
Sorry, being at work I can't listen to the audio, but I believe you. My theory still holds that they were rendering a very non-demanding scene at a locked 60fps so the card was under very little load, albeit being at full clock.
Not gonna pretend nVidia wasn't misrepresenting what an average user could attain with the FE cooler, as that seems to be the case.
I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to noise. On my case which has a ventilation port on the side panel, and is very close to me, it's loud but quieter than my 980 Ti, which I often also run at 100% RPM. It's definitely not quiet, but it also doesn't bother me as I game with headphones.
draughn101
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Ok, just thought I'd let you know where my take was coming from. They did spend about 5 minutes prior to that segment of the video talking about how difficult it was to render that character, etc. So it may have been garbage, but they did their damndest to say otherwise. I don't really care either way. I'm glad you're enjoying your 1080. I really don't think there are that many people willing to run their cards at 100% fan.
finalflame
Banned
I definitely get it. My concern is less about people who have beef with the FE (they're justified; terrible value and terrible cooler), and more with people who expect to get magical overclocks over what has been shown possible with the FE because they get an AIB version. I don't think the major limitation for overclocking this card is the stuff AIBs can improve (other than temperature).
Now I don't remember where I read this but isn't the overclocking "limited" due Nvidias current BIOS? Or something like that...
draughn101
Member
Nah, I've been sitting with reference 980's since the day the launch cards were shipped. Did the same with an EVGA 680 before that. I just plug them in and go.
I'm actually happy with my FE 1080 on stock speeds and I find that it's been quite solid in regard to boost clock when I looked after reading all the interweb stuff. I'm usually in the mid 1800s, but my ambient temp is low.
Overclocking is useful when you're trying to keep a certain level of overhead in order to help ensure framerate doesn't dip below refresh rate.
Also, you're doing very little work to get more frames per your dollar. Who wouldn't want to get the most out of their system when it's easier than ever?
https://youtu.be/22ePLtROm6I
He hit 2060MHz at 66c on the EVGA SC card with the fan at 60% - so a custom cooler on a reference board. I guess it could be possible to hit that on an FE card with the fans at 10%? More likely the scene was simply designed to not push the card too much