KinofChaos
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This sounds like a pipe dream. Don't think HBM2 is gonna be cheap.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Spring is the new Fall! They are gonna pull a movie blockbuster timeline on us.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Scorpio will come this year or by March. It would be completely and utterly insane for Microsoft to wait a year.
If the chips their architecture are ready for retail shipping this year, why would they wait a year for their console. I'm willing to bet it will be this November (all assuming this thing exists lol) or by March 2017 at the latest.
potatohead
Member
It's not that big of a stretch cost wise. I mean I don't think they will launch $600 either.
But the point does stand, launching a console with a 6 TF GPU right now is going to be expensive. Like hypothetically if you launch a console this fall with 6 TF GPU we're easily talking $450+ or $500+ if break even probably.
It will be interesting if they do though, or if they don't. And it also depends on how they want to spread the cost of the console, or if they wish to take a loss or something else.
Would be interesting actually if MS decides to take a loss this gen as an aggressive tactic, who knows. That strategy has been laid to rest, but maybe it gets a revival this year.
Nikodemos
Member
Unlikely. For that price, at least.
That sort of money gets you GDDR5X. And I'm pretty certain they won't go higher than 40 CUs on the graphics part.
So what happens if Neo ends up being Spring 17? I still think launching the Neo this year with PSVR launching this fall as well is kinda a mess. If companies really are moving to iterative models, the release window really shouldn't matter since these aren't necessarily meant as something like the launch of a generation.
KinofChaos
Banned
I could be wrong, but I can't see MS or Sony launching a new console outside of the holidays.
Chobel
Member
This year is not happening, the software will not be ready, because most (if not all) 3rd party have no access to Scorpio devkits.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I think the only thing MS can do to keep everyone happy and blow our minds is releasing this 6TFLOP beat this holiday. Literally a mic drop moment. This is very unlikely and I do not think will happen. But this can definitely put them over the top. Considering Sony will announce their console later that day.
Other than that, people will be disappointed. Even if launched next spring or next fall (in that case, I actually think they will not even announce it this E3)
It's not going to matter. It'll sellout and probably be in short supply until fall. Then flood the market for the holiday season.
What difference does it make?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. My bet is that MS has been working with AMD on the Pro APU alongside the 480 and Zen development to release in the same window.
Great minds and all that
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
That's a good point when you say that the release window shouldn't matter since it's not the grand launch of a new generation, however; it's a little different because this would be the first launch of the iterative system concept of that's what it turns out to be. So what I'm saying is that it's not a normal iterative launch because it's the very first one for the gaming community.
KinofChaos
Banned
True, good point, still no devkits out can't see this year being feasible.
It goes to show that both Sony and MS don't paid consumer prices for their hardware hence it would probably never exceed $499
potatohead
Member
I really don't think HBM2 is feasible this year or next year. I mean we haven't even seen HBM2 in a PC GPU yet.......
16 GB of HBM2 for a console, this year, or next year? I mean.... I don't think so. If they do it, I'll be very impressed though.
16 GB of HBM2 for a console, this year, or next year? I mean.... I don't think so. If they do it, I'll be very impressed though.
Proelite
Member
HBM2 can actually make the overall price cheaper since the console will run cooler, the mobo would be less complex due to lack of bus, and the bus interconnect would be absent from the soc. Itll definitely be cheaper for the console in the long run.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I don't think they'll need dev kits that soon since they're not targeting the console. I said earlier that I think the box will have its own method for doing a quick nasty improvement to existing titles.
1st parties will get a patch. 3rd parties will get their dev kits towards the end of the year and have the option to release a patch.
Brad Sam's podcast mentioned multiple things, each with different and unknown or unconfirmed timelines. Those things included a small Amazon Fire-size device, a smaller Xbox One he said will come out this year, the Xbox interface coming to Windows 10 PC probably around Redstone 2 (spring 2017), and that MS was doing some "crazy" things with a new Xbox and he heard
I agree that if they announce something at E3 it's coming this year. I just don't see it happening if they are going for significant changes like Spencer suggested.
Chobel
Member
Neo will end up in 2017 only if Sony fucked it up somehow (no software, low shipments...etc), not because they think it's better timing.
And even with iterative models, companies will choose the best timing to launch their new products which have been historically Fall.
Well specifically in regards to marketing, what do you focus on? Are you pushing PSVR and at the end of every ad for any of the games it just says play it on PSK4 or whatever? Does PSVR just stay as a smaller thing while they build the units sold to the people desperate to jump into VR before making a wider push to everyone else? It's a weird thing to have 2 expensive pieces of hardware coming out close to each other.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
just fyi, that's not true. He did not heard or claim he heard. He was reading the chat and someone in the chat mentioned 10TF. He did not talk about spec at all, since he had no idea.
Bookmarked.
LukasTaves
Member
I think it was supposed to be this fall, but delayed when Redstone 2 got delayed as well.
At that point there wasn't much they could do. Scorpio will probably feature stuff that needs Redstone 2 (I suspect it will bring improvements to uwp on xbox so uwp games can be a reality), so it can't launch sooner. And fall 2017 might be too late.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
So if MS did pull this off for 2016 at 399, that would be just like the release of the 360, correct? Advanced tech in a console before it's released on PC.
And I'm just daydreaming, I really don't know what's gonna happen or claim to be a good analyst, just having fun getting hyped.
And I'm just daydreaming, I really don't know what's gonna happen or claim to be a good analyst, just having fun getting hyped.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Don't do this. I don't mind you as a poster.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
You're right, he did read the chat on the spec. Thanks for pointing that out.
He did say he is hearing Xbox, hardware, spring.
Depends on what's in it. The 480 comes out this month for $199 so that card will be available well before this or the Neo come out. The memory and CPU situation is the real question.
Proelite
Member
My Scorpio spec prediction, assuming Fall 2017 release.
4-8 Zen core depending on zen benchmarks and tdp.
Vega with possibly Navi stuff. 48 CUs clocked at around 1ghz. 6 - 6.5 teraflops
1 stack of 8GB HBM2.
4GB of DDR4 on a 64 bit bus. 20 gb/s. OS only.
Various DSP, such as Shape, graphics related, VR related on the SOC.
4-8 Zen core depending on zen benchmarks and tdp.
Vega with possibly Navi stuff. 48 CUs clocked at around 1ghz. 6 - 6.5 teraflops
1 stack of 8GB HBM2.
4GB of DDR4 on a 64 bit bus. 20 gb/s. OS only.
Various DSP, such as Shape, graphics related, VR related on the SOC.
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Compsiox
Banned
Oh I am
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Zen CPU is 2016 isn't it? Pretty sure it is.
Wait 16 gig of stacked memory? lol no way is that gonna happen. Way too expensive. And isn't one of the purpose of stacked memory is to be able to use LESS and perform better?Even 4 gigs of HMB2 would compare favorably to 8 gigs of GDDR5 from my understandstanding. Could be wrong.
Chobel
Member
Yeah, that's pretty much impossible.
Art Vandilay
Member
It would be great if they dropped that from ceiling as a joke.
Jesus, this thread went crazy for a moment. Either way, Scorpio wont be announced until Spring 2017. Scorpio probably will be alluded to a little bit at E3 and some at gamescom talking about newer devices. The spring event is for all hardware made by Microsoft. It's really been easy to understand that. Scorpio releasing in Fall 2017 seems very reasonable. I think too many people are hyped up about it and think MS has to talk about it very soon. Nah, if anyone does, it would be Sony since they are presumably launching this fall.
Be realistic here guys.
Be realistic here guys.
Desktop first end of 2016.
So any mobile (aka console) version gotta be deep into next year.
If you see Panos anywhere near E3 prepare for ban.
Doubt they'll be split memory.
he could be there for the slim
LukasTaves
Member
That rumor sounds kind bullocks for me. If it was cheaper going for the newer archictecture why not change the cpu as well?
Challange how?
I'd rather see you bet with someone that Scorpio isn't 2016 because I really want it to release this year ;-)