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[Neo_Geo]

Scaling well with horsepower is only half the equation though. It needs to start with a good foundation too. Syndicate plays really well on a PS4 at 1080p (edit: 900p), so the lack of comparative performance on the PC is inexcusable. Ubisoft's policy towards PC is that they don't have to spend money on optimizing for it since people can always throw better hardware at it. This isn't a policy we should applaud.

I believe the PS4 version of AC:Syndicate is 1080p30 with medium-high settings, so you have to take that into account when comparing to how well it plays on the PC. Most benchmarks are done with 1080-1440p at Very High/Max settings.

What you say is true for a lot of Ubisofts work though. Watch_Dogs was a disaster on the PC if you wanted to play on high texture settings, even with a Titan level card with VRAM overkill. The Division is also questionable with how it performs on the PC on high end hardware. I've put the game off for the time being since it framedrops below 60 often even on non-max settings on a 5820k@4.4|980Ti@1.4Ghz.

 

[dgrdsv]

Keep in mind that there are some engines out there that have obviously not had a lot of attention put into them for the PC versions. Assassin's Creed since Unity is a typical example, but we also see this with The Division and (especially) with Quantum Break. While it's true that the GTX 1080 (and by extension: any graphics card out there) is insufficient to deal with these games at certain levels of quality, the fault lies more with the game engine itself than with the graphics card.

It reminds me of the article that was posted last year or so about how most optimizations these days were done by the graphics vendors on the driver level, while the games themselves were a horribly unoptimized mess that relied on Nvidia and AMD fixing whatever the devs couldn't fix themselves. There are some really bad developers out there (speaking as a professional developer myself), and the graphics vendors are the ones who have to pay for their lack of competence.

QB yes, the rest of your examples are wrong. AssCreeds have very good PC versions, even Unity is a very good PC port. The Division's PC version is nearly flawless, I can't think of anything wrong with it, and it's even NV's support title which means that it's hardly unoptimized for GeForces. The only thing which group them into some category is their a bit above average optimization target, meaning that you need to have better h/w to handle higher settings tiers in these games. Doesn't mean that they're not optimized, on quite the contrary they are very well optimized.

The reason I didn't stop with QB example is exactly this - QB is an obvious odd game which is underperforming on NV h/w because of lack of optimization but there are games which are even favoring NV h/w (like AC Syndicate) while still not running at 60 fps in 1440 "maxed out" on GTX1080.

"Maxed out" is completely pointless term these days as to be fully maxed out you have to enable in-game supersampling and DSR 4x and you get yourself something like 10240x5760 rendering resolution from your base 1440. I seriously doubt that any card of near future will ever be able to run new games "maxed out" like this.

But even if we disregard supersampling there are still games which won't be running at 60 fps on GTX1080 in 1440 even today. There will certainly be more such games in the future.

 

[Durante]

GermanGAF:
Inno3D 1080 Twin X2 (Ref-PCB) is in stock and shipping for 699€
https://www.caseking.de/inno3d-geforce-gtx-1080-twin-x2-8192-mb-gddr5x-gci3-091.html

Literally the first partner card that I've seen which is ready to ship.

Tempted. It's a reference PCB but it doesn't seem like that would make more than a 100 MHz difference at most on air anyway.

Scaling well with horsepower is only half the equation though. It needs to start with a good foundation too. Syndicate plays really well on a PS4 at 1080p (edit: 900p), so the lack of comparative performance on the PC is inexcusable.

Last time I checked, the performance is very much comparable at the same settings.

 

[laxu]

GermanGAF:
Inno3D 1080 Twin X2 (Ref-PCB) is in stock and shipping for 699€
https://www.caseking.de/inno3d-geforce-gtx-1080-twin-x2-8192-mb-gddr5x-gci3-091.html

Literally the first partner card that I've seen which is ready to ship.

The cooler looks the same as the 980 Ti version. They were known for not being that great and might throttle.

 

[Spookie]

Does anyone know if the Gigabyte G1 is a custom card or just ref with another cooler?

 

[DryvBy]

Any info on the Gigabyte GV-N1080G1?

 

[Spookie]

Any info on the Gigabyte GV-N1080G1?

It's in stock in Hong Kong so worldwide release can't be far behind. Only 1 8 pin though. So it might only be reference.

 

[fred]

Yes, based on all the benchmarks I've seen for the GTX 1080 Founder's Edition, running at default clock speeds. I'm not talking out of my ass. I wouldn't even have mentioned anything if I hadn't seen these stats repeated multiple times over the last few days. Those are my facts. You've demonstrated quite clearly that you haven't got anything to build your argument upon but are merely speculating, and poorly at that.

All I'm asking is that you contribute. If you've got actual facts to present, then I would find them very interesting as I'm currently waiting for my first G-Sync 1440p monitor to arrive in the mail. Any real data you have to show would be appreciated. So far you've done nothing but act like a goon, and I'd much rather have a constructive talk with you.

Yup. We've seen countless benchmarks of the 1080 running maxed out games at 4K with an average of 45fps and off the top of my head we've seen 1440 maxed out at around 70fps. Not sure what the guy's problem is tbh. /

We'll see frames dropping below 60fps here and there but not enough to ruin the experience.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

It's in stock in Hong Kong so worldwide release can't be far behind. Only 1 8 pin though. So it might only be reference.

You can't get anymore overclocking out of the 1080 ~2000mhz. Same on reference same on AIB cards. This doesn't require another 8 pin.

You could put 3 8 pins on the card and you'll still top out at around 2ghz.

Temperature is what is important to overclocking Pascal so look out for the best cooler.

 

[demigod]

QB yes, the rest of your examples are wrong. AssCreeds have very good PC versions, even Unity is a very good PC port.

The reason I didn't stop with QB example is exactly this - QB is an obvious odd game which is underperforming on NV h/w because of lack of optimization but there are games which are even favoring NV h/w (like AC Syndicate) while still not running at 60 fps in 1440 "maxed out" on GTX1080.

Lmfao, WHAT. Unity on PC was shit on release. I can't believe you put in QB benchmark to try to prove a fail point. Most of the games benchmarked on Guru3d are over 60fps with 1440p.

 

[dgrdsv]

Lmfao, WHAT. Unity on PC was shit on release. I can't believe you put in QB benchmark to try to prove a fail point. Most of the games benchmarked on Guru3d are over 60fps with 1440p.

Unity was fine even on release. Most people complaining were expecting a next gen game to work at 60 fps on their old gen h/w. That's hardly an issue of optimization.

 

[Neo_Geo]

Lmfao, WHAT. Unity on PC was shit on release. I can't believe you put in QB benchmark to try to prove a fail point. Most of the games benchmarked on Guru3d are over 60fps with 1440p.

Unity ran fine for me on release. What hardware were you using?

 

[Barzul]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GJEE9BG/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Gigabyte G1 Amazon is up

 

[Herr Starr]

Unity was fine even on release. Most people complaining were expecting a next gen game to work at 60 fps on their old gen h/w. That's hardly an issue of optimization.

I seem to recall TotalBiscuit complaining loudly about that game's performance on release, and he's been running 2 x SLI with whatever Nvidia card is the most powerful at any given time. I don't remember what kind of framerate he got though. His WTF Is of the game should still be available on YouTube.

 

[TSM]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GJEE9BG/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Gigabyte G1 Amazon is up

Newegg has it as "coming soon". Having two "modes" for the card seems silly:

Core Clock 1721 MHz in OC Mode 1695 MHz in Gaming Mode
Boost Clock 1860 MHz in OC Mode 1835 MHz in Gaming Mode

That's barely a 1% difference in clock speeds. It's a margin of error difference between the two.

 

[Flandy]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GJEE9BG/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Gigabyte G1 Amazon is up

Thanks
Now to decide if I want this or the EVGA FTW. Do we have any reviews of the gigabyte or the FTW?
Kinda doubt the FTW is going to be worth paying $70 extra for

 

[Barzul]

Newegg has it as "coming soon". Having two "modes" for the card seems silly:

Core Clock 1721 MHz in OC Mode 1695 MHz in Gaming Mode
Boost Clock 1860 MHz in OC Mode 1835 MHz in Gaming Mode

That's barely a 1% difference in clock speeds. It's a margin of error difference between the two.

Yeah I know I'll have to look into it. I ended up cancelling my EVGA preorder for it though. Don't think I'm going to be overclocking this time around.

 

[Neo_Geo]

Has Amazon had any indication on when any of their stock on non-FE cards will ship? Hate ordering with no ETA or anything.

Awesome price on the G1 though!

 

[TSM]

Has Amazon had any indication on when any of their stock on non-FE cards will ship? Hate ordering with no ETA or anything.

Awesome price on the G1 though!

Price on it looks awesome, but that tax is pushing me away. Almost $40 tax for me in CT.

 

[Neo_Geo]

$56 tax here.

 

[Barzul]

Has Amazon had any indication on when any of their stock on non-FE cards will ship? Hate ordering with no ETA or anything.

Awesome price on the G1 though!

You know I'm not sure that's the final price, not rounded like I'd expect from Amazon. I went ahead and got my order in as Amazon will do their price guarantee.

 

[Flandy]

You know I'm not sure that's the final price, not rounded like I'd expect from Amazon. I went ahead and got my order in as Amazon will do their price guarantee.

Yeah it's a weird price for sure. Wonder what's up with that
In case they change the price it's currently $611.82

 

[TSM]

You know I'm not sure that's the final price, not rounded like I'd expect from Amazon. I went ahead and got my order in as Amazon will do their price guarantee.

OK, you convinced me. I guess I can cancel it if I change my mind.

 

[dgrdsv]

Newegg has it as "coming soon". Having two "modes" for the card seems silly:

Core Clock 1721 MHz in OC Mode 1695 MHz in Gaming Mode
Boost Clock 1860 MHz in OC Mode 1835 MHz in Gaming Mode

That's barely a 1% difference in clock speeds. It's a margin of error difference between the two.

OC mode on Gigabyte cards was always conservative as they basically guarantee that it will work on all cards. There's no point in using it anyway as the Gigabyte's OC Guru tool is pretty bad and all the same plus a lot more can be accomplished via MSI AB.

From the price and specs it looks like G1 will be the "lower OC" tier model now while Xtreme is the one which will occupy G1's past top tier. So no wonder that it's just 1835 MHz boost for G1.

 

[Filth]

Sold out in 14 minutes. Wow

 

[mrklaw]

You can't get anymore overclocking out of the 1080 ~2000mhz. Same on reference same on AIB cards. This doesn't require another 8 pin.

You could put 3 8 pins on the card and you'll still top out at around 2ghz.

Temperature is what is important to overclocking Pascal so look out for the best cooler.

We don't know until we see if a custom bios unlocks anything. I think maybe not, but if you're buying now you have to consider whether to take the small gamble of a reference card with custom cooler and 1x8 pin power, or a custom card with more power capability and more phases

 

[Flandy]

Sold out in 14 minutes. Wow

I don't think it ever was in stock. Was only just up for order

 

[Neo_Geo]

I think he meant to put a decimal point in there, and minutes should probably be seconds. This is pretty much Amiibo levels of BS at this point.

 

[Lister]

So guys, going from a 780ti... 1080 or 1070? I'm playing at 2560x1440. What would you guys do?

 

[Barzul]

Saw this on the Nvidia reddit from yesterday. Someone posted a release schedule for AIB cards from a UK retailer Novatech that is apparently usually spot on.

In stock / Arriving today:
MSI FE
EVGA FE

Tomorrow (June 3):
ASUS FE

June 9:
GIGABYTE G1 GAMING

June 10:
GIGABYTE FE

June 16:
ASUS STRIX
MSI GAMING X
MSI ARMOR
EVGA FTW
EVGA SC

June 24:
PNY FE

Ordered upon request:
PALiT FE
Zotac FE

 

[Barzul]

So guys, going from a 780ti... 1080 or 1070? I'm playing at 2560x1440. What would you guys do?

I'm going 1080. I thought about going 1070 but I wanted the best headroom for this resolution

Edit oops double post

 

[dgrdsv]

So guys, going from a 780ti... 1080 or 1070? I'm playing at 2560x1440. What would you guys do?

Wait for 1080Ti. You've waited through Maxwell, no point in going for the mid tier now with Pascal.

 

[Lister]

Wait for 1080Ti. You've waited through Maxwell, no point in going for the mid tier now with Pascal.

I'm tempted to do this yes... but do we have any idea when 1080ti will show up?

 

[Megasoum]

Saw this on the Nvidia reddit from yesterday. Someone posted a release schedule for AIB cards from a UK retailer Novatech that is apparently usually spot on.

In stock / Arriving today:
MSI FE
EVGA FE

Tomorrow (June 3):
ASUS FE

June 9:
GIGABYTE G1 GAMING

June 10:
GIGABYTE FE

June 16:
ASUS STRIX
MSI GAMING X
MSI ARMOR
EVGA FTW
EVGA SC

June 24:
PNY FE

Ordered upon request:
PALiT FE
Zotac FE

I knew what I was getting into when I pre-ordered the EVGA FTW card but man those dates would suck considering I'm on vacation during E3 week so would miss the card release by a week.

 

[Onemic]

Saw this on the Nvidia reddit from yesterday. Someone posted a release schedule for AIB cards from a UK retailer Novatech that is apparently usually spot on.

In stock / Arriving today:
MSI FE
EVGA FE

Tomorrow (June 3):
ASUS FE

June 9:
GIGABYTE G1 GAMING

June 10:
GIGABYTE FE

June 16:
ASUS STRIX
MSI GAMING X
MSI ARMOR
EVGA FTW
EVGA SC

June 24:
PNY FE

Ordered upon request:
PALiT FE
Zotac FE

Confirming what I thought. The Strix was never coming out on the 4th.

 

[Neo_Geo]

I'm tempted to do this yes... but do we have any idea when 1080ti will show up?

I would guess ~7 months/early 2017. If you upgrade GPU's by selling your old one a 1070 wouldn't be a bad investment, it will have much better resale value when the time comes for the 1080Ti.

 

[draughn101]

Adding the G1 to my growing collection of preorders. Decisions will need to be made.

 

[DryvBy]

Gigabyte 1080 is up! Dunno if I should wait or not since my 670 is dead. $611

Also, if sold out, Newegg might have some later.

 

[draughn101]

Gigabyte 1080 is up! Dunno if I should wait or not since my 670 is dead.

I would guess you don't have long to decide. I'd preorders and ponder it later.

That's the only AIB card listed on newegg. I'm guessing it's going to be the first released.

 

[demigod]

I believe the Gigabyte Gaming is only 1 x 8 pin. I think I'll just wait on the extreme, hopefully that comes out soon. Plus I get taxed on Amazon anyways.

 

[Bydobob]

Does anyone know if the Gigabyte G1 is a custom card or just ref with another cooler?

Custom PCB and VBIOS with 8+2 power phase. The standard 8-pin is a question mark at this point though. Enough of a doubt for me to change my preorder to the FTW. We need reviews.

 

[DryvBy]

I would guess you don't have long to decide. I'd preorders and ponder it later.

That's the only AIB card listed on newegg. I'm guessing it's going to be the first released.

I did. Might as well hold onto it for now.

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

It's not reference blower, btw, it's Galax's blower which isn't the same as on reference.

I know, I was taking the mick, that's what it's called in the description.

 

[Brisal73]

In your opinion which will be the card to get?

For example, what is the difference between FTW and SC?

 

[Kerm 1]

Pre-ordered two G1s from Amazon. May cancel in favor of the Extreme based on the single 8 pin. Any idea where I can pick up the new SLI Bridge?

 

[Nyteshade517]

In your opinion which will be the card to get?

For example, what is the difference between FTW and SC?

FTW is a custom board...SC is stock

FTW has 2 8-Pin power connections...SC has 1

FTW will have a higher OC out of the box

 

[Herr Starr]

For example, what is the difference between FTW and SC?

We don't know everything yet, but the SC is an overclocked reference card (with custom coolers) while the FTW is custom.

 

[Flandy]

Does it matter if it's custom at this point? I thought these cards could barely reach 2100Mhz? Wouldn't the G1 1080 reach close to that?

 

[DryvBy]

Does it matter if it's custom at this point? I thought these cards could barely reach 2100Mhz? Wouldn't the G1 1080 reach close to that?

The G1 shows (at least on Amazon) these specs:

Power by GeForce GTX 1080
Integrated with 8GB gddr5x 256bit Memory
Boost: 1860 MHz / base: 1721 MHz in OC mode
Boost: 1835 MHz / base: 1695 MHz in gaming mode
Support up to 8K Display @60Hz (Requires 2*dp1.3 connectors)

 

[draughn101]

Does it matter if it's custom at this point? I thought these cards could barely reach 2100Mhz? Wouldn't the G1 1080 reach close to that?

Well the cooler is likely a lot better than the FE, so it should OC without a thermal barrier. I would guess it'll do that and have better temps then the FE, but that'll be it's ceiling. If the dual pin cards figure out a way to OC higher, you'll be stuck around 2100