Microsoft would have a custom chip based on an existing one made with their deal with AMD. Just like Sony.
And they don't buy parts for retail cost.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Microsoft would have a custom chip based on an existing one made with their deal with AMD. Just like Sony.
And they don't buy parts for retail cost.
Hawk269
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While Sony has not, we know that from reports that devs have dev kits already and a number of sites have documentation on the unit. I personally think the NEO is coming out a lot sooner than many think.
But getting back to MS, using E3 with it being televised is going to be hard to pass up and not say anything about Scorpio.
Primethius
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It's hard to know how market will react to both Neo and Scorpio, but a reset?
There's very few scenarios in my mind where that goes over well (as in MS drops support for XB1 and focuses on Scorpio).
The majority of XB1 owners, like PS4 owners are playing third party stuff. Convincing the core on GAF to buy into high end premium product is much, much easier then convincing the mainstream.
So I don't find that scenario likely. I think MS will continue to support the XB1 for atleast 5 years. The potential negative reactions seem to great for them to risk a reset.
Chobel
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Unless they plan to detail all Scorpio specs (which they won't since it's no finalized yet), then core gamers minds are not gonna change by a simple announcement.
statham
Member
we are excited by just the rumor of scorpio, have you miss this?
JeffG
Member
"We" know. (as in game nerds that follow discussion groups etc etc) The general public has no clue
But it does look like it is coming for this XMas buying season.
If they are not ready for this XMas...they wont say a peep.
The question could be how quickly can the manufacturing spin up. They probably would need at least 3-4 months of steady production before a release. How long to settle on CPU/Memory..etc etc design.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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You grossly overrate the value places like this have. We could have pricing, marketing plans and launch games and still the vast majority of potential owners won't know until the marketing machine starts up.
I think there is going to be a very hard crash of hopes this E3. You guys have got these rumours and run marathons with them.
I Stalk Alone
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What would the tdp of a 6TF console be like this year or end of next year? Over 200?
Chobel
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I mean sure a few people won't get PS4K now, but you just made many more people not buy an XB1 and wait for Scorpio.
Eh?
I doubt most of the core gamers even know the exact specs of the current consoles. I remember that video before the Gears Ultimate release where they focus tested the multiplayer with Gears pros and all they could say is that the game felt smoother but didn't know it was because of the 60fps.
Chobel
Member
Well you need to convince these core gamers that Scorpio is worth ditching PS4K and waiting another year. A simple announcement isn't gonna do the trick, you need way more details so it can convince gamers and the media that Scorpio is the real deal.
Technically you dont 'have' to get a Scorpio just because of power. But in general, Sony wasn't trying to come out with the strongest system possible or else they would have waited. Time will tell if either Scorpio or Neo's approach bears fruit.
For me, i'm not worried about getting a NEO anytime soon. If my PS4 breaks before PS5 or whatever that console is called comes out, then i'll see. But if not...eh.
For scorpio, its going to have to automatically play all OG Xbox, and 360 titles for me to jump in, as well as play them better than their native hardware. If they screw up on that, Scorpio matters nothing to me.
wapplew
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I've heard that before...
I think it's important that they leave the image of yes, ps4k is a beast but ps4 is, too and still! because they have still the image of being better than the competition and they only want to give you an improved version of what the leader in all regards is.
Dozens will not wait.
Yep, when XB1 launched at the same time as PS4 with a much higher price, obviously weaker and most importantly, focused on shit nobody wanted, with a marketing team that tried at every turn to shoot themselves in the head.
But then, with those conditions, its obvious why XB lost a lot its mindshare, in addition to Sony doing most everything right.
Compared to almost every other console in the past decade the X1 has the most empty space for airflow. They had to be sure the would be no overheat failures in the first units. With a die reduction they could reduce that thing down to a 1/3rd of its size, easily.
Sony didn't have to do anything. MS did all this on their own, plying the curse of the third console like none before.
Mixolydian
Member
This thread is stuck in a loop.
Bound to be that way until we are all inevitably let down by not hearing anything next week!
And then the loop will start again.
Primethius
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At the very least, whether or not we hear something next week, the amount of possible options will be slimmed down.
If we hear something, we hear something. If we don't, Fall 2017 becomes extremely likely.
If we hear something, we hear something. If we don't, Fall 2017 becomes extremely likely.
...Scatter...
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That would be so epically brutal if they announced it during the Sony conference. Will never happen though. Honor amongst thieves and all.
crab rangoon
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...but isn't the ENTIRE point of UWP is so that devs can deploy games as a UWA to run seamlessly on a variety of Windows 10 devices? It wouldn't be a different version. It would likely view the console as just another Windows 10 PC and adjust settings just as it does on the PC version.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
None of this matters anyway, because Microsoft are getting out of the console business.
This is the biggest reason I think it's coming this year or next Spring at the latest. These rumors have felt really off to me ever since they went live. It all sounds like controlled leaks meant to sway Sony one way or another. So many people seem to forget that Phil was the one that started the entire conversation surrounding new hardware. He brought it up openly and unprovoked well before the Neo rumors even started. They aren't going to start presenting the idea of new hardware nearly two years before they plan to launch.
Also, I agree that there is nothing in the tech forcing them to wait until 2017. The only difference between launching in Spring and Fall will be potentially better yields, which could lower costs a bit, but that's it. On the software side we are getting a major update to W10 this summer, and next Spring. I can't imagine the features needed for their new system would be beyond those two updates. The anniversary update launch is perfect timing for a Fall system launch as well since I'm sure they would rather have the update get a bunch of testing and time for patches before releasing a brand new console with it. Also, the Xbox VR at E3 listing is pretty telling, as I highly doubt the XBO is going to be running any kind of VR with its low memory bandwidth, and it wouldn't make sense to showcase VR on Xbox through PC. If they are showcasing VR on Xbox it is only logical to me that it is on a new Xbox system, and it is something planned to be released before next E3.
Spring makes the most sense to me simply based on the availability of Zen based APUs and HBM2, but I could absolutely see them being ready for this fall. They don't need to wait for AMDs products to be ready, as it will be a custom chip.
Compsiox
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They'll sell the Xbox division to Sony of course!
They did have to not fuck up. I think just saying MS's failure is responsible for the disparity in sales is indirectly saying Sony didn't earn their sales pace by largely doing the right things, which i don't think is the case.
If it were that easy to just secure Zen and HBM2 at the exact same time as Sony is most likely launching, for the same prices, and without any drawbacks, the power gap we're hearing about largely would not exist.
At that point it would have been cheaper for Sony to just do the same thing.
...Scatter...
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Hey Phil, Larry and team. Whatever the fuck you do, NEVER do this shit again. It was so corny and cringe worthy.
Rick Fox guy over here with the fake conversation. I could write a dissertation on the many things MS did wrong with XBOX One strategy and reveal, but for some reason this pissed me off because it was like the cherry on top.
Rick Fox guy over here with the fake conversation. I could write a dissertation on the many things MS did wrong with XBOX One strategy and reveal, but for some reason this pissed me off because it was like the cherry on top.
Compsiox
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This was a topic of discussion in another large thread. There are some rumors about Microsoft seeking partnership with them.
...Scatter...
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That's kind of what everyone is expecting. What do you mean what if?
You guys are setting yourself up for such disappointment. This thread sometimes reads like MisterXmedia fanfiction the way you try to convince eachother that certain beliefs and ideas are actually based in facts. It's still all speculation at this point.
The current rumors don't hurt sales. The handful of dedicated fans that populate message boards and who actually care about these kind of leaks and speculations are nothing compared to the masses that actually buy these consoles. These people don't frequent boards like GAF or IGN and they don't care about these fleeting rumors in the slightest. I know it's hard to imagine when you're in this hobby this deep but it's how it is.
It just seems like this rumor is escalating with every passing page. At this point it's getting pretty silly with people not only expecting MS to take a bath on every system, but also the massive powerhouse specs, the 399$ price and the 2016 release. Something has got to give. People would consider themselves blessed if just two of those actually pan out.
The current rumors don't hurt sales. The handful of dedicated fans that populate message boards and who actually care about these kind of leaks and speculations are nothing compared to the masses that actually buy these consoles. These people don't frequent boards like GAF or IGN and they don't care about these fleeting rumors in the slightest. I know it's hard to imagine when you're in this hobby this deep but it's how it is.
It just seems like this rumor is escalating with every passing page. At this point it's getting pretty silly with people not only expecting MS to take a bath on every system, but also the massive powerhouse specs, the 399$ price and the 2016 release. Something has got to give. People would consider themselves blessed if just two of those actually pan out.
Yes, the thread is only filled with people having unrealistic expectations, nothing more is to be found here. Especially in the last few pages.
But it's good to have the obvious I have your expectations in check-guy around who focuses on a few people while ignoring all the other talk in this huge thread.
Wow Hoo-doo.
You need to take a step back and calm down with that stuff.
Please don't come in this thread with a drive-by concern post and tell us all that we are Mister X Media's. It's completely uncalled for and immature.
A $399 price is completely reasonable considering we know that anything over $399 is basically going to kill it before it comes out.
The specs being referred to in here are the 6TF specs that are part of the OP of this thread and on topic, not to mention backed up back another source.
I don't believe 2016 is when it's going to release but I think most people in here don't either, it's just people with high hopes.
The last few pages are definitely not filled with unrealistic expectations. It's not an unreal expectation to speculate on Scorpio launching in Spring 2017, that's plenty of time for the hardware that's rumored and the manufacturing that would need to be done to launch it. It's not unrealistic when you have Microsoft teasing us on leaks for Scorpio before a major gaming event to think they might have something at that event. On top of all that it seems almost clear that the leak on the system's power was a leak Microsoft knew would happen after the meeting they had.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I'm glad we have some people in here making sure we only have fun within their defined boundaries...
It's like that episode of Friends with the two parties.
Compsiox
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Lets start off with a fresh subject shall we? Oh wait, we've already beat this dead horse for every word of discussion possible.
I really don't think there is anything left to talk about. As a result, this thread is a toxic void.
DuckSlayer
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Unrealistic expectations?
They are
A) noone will buy it because people dont want more power .. Of course ppl wont more power thats why everyone buys pcs but in reality they cant afford to keep updating their pcs so claim to be part of the master race yet almost none can play in 4k due to bad frame rates
B) that its impossible to release a 6tf console .. Even though they could right now if they really wanted
C) that it cant come out until end of next year .. Even though zen comes out way before that
D) that it will cost way more than ps4 .. The only diff is the version of the chip which will prob cost about 20$ more in real terms ..
Lets stay on topic ..
June 2017
xbox scopio 6tf for $420 or
Ps neo 4tf for $400
.. Im going to buy the scopio no question .. im sure plenty of you will to but u just say you wont now
They are
A) noone will buy it because people dont want more power .. Of course ppl wont more power thats why everyone buys pcs but in reality they cant afford to keep updating their pcs so claim to be part of the master race yet almost none can play in 4k due to bad frame rates
B) that its impossible to release a 6tf console .. Even though they could right now if they really wanted
C) that it cant come out until end of next year .. Even though zen comes out way before that
D) that it will cost way more than ps4 .. The only diff is the version of the chip which will prob cost about 20$ more in real terms ..
Lets stay on topic ..
June 2017
xbox scopio 6tf for $420 or
Ps neo 4tf for $400
.. Im going to buy the scopio no question .. im sure plenty of you will to but u just say you wont now
Primethius
Banned
Unrealistic expectations?
They are
A) noone will buy it because people dont want more power .. Of course ppl wont more power thats why everyone buys pcs but in reality they cant afford to keep updating their pcs so claim to be part of the master race yet almost none can play in 4k due to bad frame rates
B) that its impossible to release a 6tf console .. Even though they could right now if they really wanted
C) that it cant come out until end of next year .. Even though zen comes out way before that
D) that it will cost way more than ps4 .. The only diff is the version of the chip which will prob cost about 20$ more in real terms ..
Lets stay on topic ..
June 2017
xbox scopio 6tf for $420 or
Ps neo 4tf for $400
.. Im going to buy the scopio no question .. im sure plenty of you will to but u just say you wont now
It's very unlikely that Scorpio comes out at the same time (or even before) Neo. The amount of rumors/info on Neo we've gotten suggest that it's coming out earlier then Scorpio, likely by a significant amount.
Scorpio has the power advantage, but Neo is likely to have the time and price advantage.
DuckSlayer
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Thats why i said june 2017 lol i dont need a new console right away i dont want just 1080p i want 4k id much rather wait an extra 6 months and pay $20 more for %50 more gpu and way more cpu .. Your welcome to save 20$ and buy your neo this year thats fine by me lol
Primethius
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Oh, I thought you were talking about their release timings. Apologies.
tokyocrusher
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Is there a chance that Microsoft isn't working xb1.5
Even if Scorpio is capable of reliably displaying 4k I doubt you'll see too many devs jumping on that bandwagon quickly. Still not a huge market of people that own 4k TVs.
It would be nice to be capable for the future though, not to mention that the Neo and Scorpio should help push 4k TVs and 4k blurays.
No.
Brad Sams, Polygon and Kotaku all seem to have found out it is happening. The power specs were apparently leaked from a meeting Microsoft had with external partners, which oddly the only thing that leaked is the 6TF number which makes it seem like Microsoft knew it would leak and did it on purpose. The day the leaks came out Phil tweeted that there was a lot of "Creative Chatter" on the internet that day. Later a picture was released from E3 rehearsals(or something like that) with Phil wearing a "Creative Chatter" T-shirt.
It's definitely happening, it's most likely 6TF and it's launching at some point in 2017 and that's all we know.
DuckSlayer
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Most ps 4 users wont upgrade as they dont need to even for vr the difference is about 2.5 and there will be no neo specific games.
Most xbox users will want to upgrade as its 4x the gpu way better cpu and need to upgrade for vr and u will get scopio only games
Its pretty obvious ps4 will outsell xbox one but its far from certain that neo will outsell scopio when you look at the reasons to upgrade ..
Most xbox users will want to upgrade as its 4x the gpu way better cpu and need to upgrade for vr and u will get scopio only games
Its pretty obvious ps4 will outsell xbox one but its far from certain that neo will outsell scopio when you look at the reasons to upgrade ..
Interficium
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the console warrior fan-wank in here is getting comical.
DuckSlayer
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Neo cant do 4k on current gen games ..
Scopio can
Neo can do current gen on psr vr res
Scopio can do occulus vr res AND increase iq over ps4 neo
Neo = rx480 scopio = 1070 id sure pay $20 more and wait 6 months for the scopio
Scopio can
Neo can do current gen on psr vr res
Scopio can do occulus vr res AND increase iq over ps4 neo
Neo = rx480 scopio = 1070 id sure pay $20 more and wait 6 months for the scopio
Interficium
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How can things that don't exist yet do anything.
This isn't really correct.
The Neo is supposedly a lower clocked 480 while the Scorpio seems to run a stock clock 480.
Not that I condone his comment but this is a rumor thread, not a facts thread.