LukasTaves
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It's not. At all, it's related in how they could support a platform that they are "forced" to support but make the shift to digital with cross buy.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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It's not. At all, it's related in how they could support a platform that they are "forced" to support but make the shift to digital with cross buy.
We have two sources that say 5-6TF.
Polygon says that it's 4x Xbox One but they are trying to target 6TF.
Kotaku explicitly says 5-6.
So Scorpio landing at 6TF is speculation on Polygon's behalf. The thread is also speculation (with more freedom) and people are running wild with 6+TF, 12GB+ HBM and $399.
So yes we have rumors of up to 6TF.
However a rumor from sources is not the same as people sitting in a thread speculating about HBM.
Do you honestly believe MS is going to announce the next Xbox at E3 next week for a 2017 launch?
Yes, upto.
That's you putting words into my mouth.
I'm fully expecting a $399 6TF console, just not with all the bells and whistles mentioned in this thread.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Nope. But honestly believe that in 1 week and 1 sleep we will find out.
Bobnob
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YES/NO 2016/17
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
OG BC I reckon is all but a lock.
That's the only way I see them dropping One from the name. If they brand it as the "Xbox" that plays ALL your Xbox games and completely relaunch virtually the entire division.
I think for OG BC to work, it needs to be completely open. Either 100% disc BC for all games. Surely the statute of limitations is expired on OG games for needing publisher approval?
I'm not putting any words in your mouth.
All I said is that HBM is speculation and then you tried to say that 6TF is speculation too which it clearly isn't as it's a rumor.
Welfare
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Cut out the Xbox One. Slim would replace it.
Eventually, yes.
gotta blow through existing inventory first
You are implying that I said the rumours from Polygon and Kotaku and the speculation in this thread is the same, which I didn't. I just said "HBM isn't happening at $399".
I clarified that Scorpio landing at 6TF is speculation by Polygon's own admission + Kotaku's sources. The current range we have is 5-6 with Microsoft trying for the max, which is an accurate to put it right now.
if they wanna maintain backwards and forwards compatibility they probably won't change RAM. also wouldn't that jack up the cost?
Welfare
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Shipments for the Fat box has probably stopped already. They won't market and sell both at the same time.
John Wick
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My point was as stated going forward from now. Not backwards compatible with PS3. PS4 and future devices will be backwards compatible. They can quite easily emulate PS2 and PS1 games so that shouldn't be a problem.
Hawk269
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It would, but with the extra horse power and if they plan on wanting to go beyond 1080p, they would need the extra RAM.
John Wick
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It's been good banter. Good to read other perspectives. Nothing aggressive or hurtful.
It depends on how they handle it. In all likelihood it seems like they would be moving away from eSRAM if they have something that is fast enough to replace all 32mb of it so making sure they handle memory management to maintain compatibility seems like something Microsoft will account for. I also don't expect 12GB of RAM (I'm thinking HBM 2 because it is fast enough to replace eSRAM) by the rumored Fall 2017 to cost all that much.
John Wick
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We are not the general buying public. I think too many SKU's and the layman could be confused. It's probably better they just release the one box
justsomeguy
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E3 > xmas
I don't think it costs very much to include but I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped it for "yo dawg we're all about the games bro" image reasons
If they show good games and have a healthy amount of them, no one will fault them for having entertainment/tv/apps stuff on the side. So they don't need to do that, ever.
I understand and totally agree with you, but it just really feels like that HDMI-in thing is the last remnant of all pre-Phil Spencer, Don Matrick Xbox One bullshit and it would totally make sense if they gut it.
Sell an adapter for the few people that actually use it.
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Awww, he reminds me of your jr days
You matured quickly thank God. Hopefully he finds his way or he won't last long.
anothertech
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That's expecting alot imo.
If it's Fall 2016/Spring 2017, a 6tf box would be more likely a $499 pricetag.
If it is truly a Fall 2017 box, 6tf at $399 is possible. But that is over a year away, Neo will have done it's damage at $399, and would then be $349 or even $299 at that point with bundles.
I can't see them waiting that long. I also fully expect MS to reveal it at E3.
My guess is Spring/early 2017 at $499 (if they are going to actually hit that 6tf mark).
Doubtful, the TV feature will only get better with Cortana and Windows Store apps. Not to mention how big they are on NFL, split screen with the NFL fantasy app and Madden...etc, I'd guess there's a pretty large chunk of Americans who use the feature on a regular basis.
Hey! I take offense to that! The only "stupid" things I said were probably about the controller/friends/achievements in DF threads, and it's still not actually stupid because those are real features, but whatever, GAF's not big on it apparently.Awww, he reminds me of your jr days
You matured quickly thank God. Hopefully he finds his way or he won't last long.
has there ever been any kind of data on this? I bet it's usage is very low. you need kinect really for it to work well and they don't even include that with the console anymore
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
They better not fucking drop HDMI in. Hardware wise, it's the best feature the console has.
DagnastyEp
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I fully expect it to have at least 12GB of RAM, I think 16 is more likely. Anything more than that would be awesome. RAM has always increased in good numbers from generation to generation.
I'm of the opinion that RAM, CPU, and memory bandwidth will all get nice increases to go along with the bigger gpu in Scorpio.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
You shut your mouth when you talk to me
Art Vandilay
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infiniteheteroskdasticity
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The reason people are leaning towards HBM is GPU constraints. A 256 bit bus is going to e a problem with a 5-6 TF GPU and presumably more powerful CPUs sharing the same memory. Even with GDDR5x its hard to see them not being bandwidth constrained. Moving to a bigger 384 bit bus would solve that issue but that would be enormously expensive and likely take significant die space at smaller process nodes. The Neo is going to be right at the edge of what's possible with the 256 bit bus and even it might run into problems. HBM sidesteps this entire issue and late 2017-2018 should see some HBM availability. Costs will come down rapidly as it gets uptake in the GPU market. My guess with Scorpio is that it was originally intended to be a late 2018 true next gen replacement product for the Xbox One. The heavily corroborated rumors about a stronger than expected PS4.5 in Q4 of 2016 likely forced MS to scramble to bring its timetable forward. Their option would be to hold off till Vega/HBM costs come into line for a $399-$499 console or compromise the target specs to something very similar to a slightly better Neo for an early launch. If I really had to guess what they'll end up doing I'd say they choose to hold off for an even more powerful spec with HBM, Vega and Zen in 2018.
Slightly OT but if anybody thinks the Scorpio is coming out anytime in the next 12 months I have some oceanfront property in Kansas for sale. We know about the Neo because devkits have been in the hands of 3rd party developers since 2015. All we know about the Scorpio is that Microsoft "recently" briefed developers on their targeted plans. AFAIK there are no devkits out there yet. Holiday 2017 at the earliest and a good chance that it slips to 2018 if they really want to be noticeably more powerful.
Slightly OT but if anybody thinks the Scorpio is coming out anytime in the next 12 months I have some oceanfront property in Kansas for sale. We know about the Neo because devkits have been in the hands of 3rd party developers since 2015. All we know about the Scorpio is that Microsoft "recently" briefed developers on their targeted plans. AFAIK there are no devkits out there yet. Holiday 2017 at the earliest and a good chance that it slips to 2018 if they really want to be noticeably more powerful.
It's not too much to ask if it's based on Excavator+P10. It'll be quite a lean box than some of the specs floating around in this thread like 6+TF, 16 Zen cores, HBM, 12-16GB RAM etc.
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I agree that they should keep it. Not having to change TV inputs is an underrated convenience factor for families. My wife can get to Netflix quick when she needs to by controller or voice command.
Excavator would be a huge upgrade if they keep 8 cores. Jaguar was a tablet CPU and the next step up tablet CPU would be Puma. Excavator would be desktop CPU and would have a greater TDP.
VincentMatts
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Because EA want to be on xbox
they can be on Xbox and not on Windows Store. MS isn't going to force them
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Agree. They value their relationship with EA.
Correct, I would say anything current but Jaguar. And not Zen either as it sounded way off the way AMD talked about it a few days back. Again, this is purely from the view point that Scorpio is late 16 or early 17.
Hawk269
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I am thinking that 16 is what it will have. Not sure of what type of ram they intend to use, but they need to aim for 16. If the system is capable of 6tf, I can easily see them having some games at 4k/30fps and that takes up more memory. If they stuck to 8 and you take away the 2-3 the system needs for the OS, then no way is 8 enough.
What are everyone's though on HDD size? I am thinking 2tb HDD or it would be great if they had a 2TB SSHD, but I think for cost control, they may stick with standard HDD.
