Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Hockeymac18
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Sorry, it was more of a remark how we're going around in circles of everyone asking for sources - we have people asking for sources of Scorpio's presence/absence all in a short amount of time. A funny juxtaposition!
I think this is a popular misconception. Unless a product is actually on shelves it usually isn't going to cut into sales of existing products. You really only see these things happen on a large scale with Cell Phones. If you just come out and say there will be an updated revision of the Xbox One in 2017, I don't see the cheaper slim model not selling practically the same.
That said I don't think they say anything about it at E3.
BruceLeeRoy
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The rumor I am most curious about is the potential inclusion of Occulus. I think thats a strong position for MS to put themselves in. It also opens their next system up to a lot of VR titles right off the bat.
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't understand this kind of thinking if iterative consoles are really to become a thing. Two different spec consoles 2-3 years apart aimed at different groups in the user base.
The whole waiting for the better spec and sales nosediving is eliminated/minimised?
SEGAvangelist
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And they won't have to waste their own resources on it like with Kinect. Risk factor isn't as high as Sony's with PSVR. I like this much better than the alternative of creating new hardware and having to support the thing.
50/50 I guess. What link are you seeing that at? edit, never mind. I saw what you wrote to GT.
Bits N Pieces
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Well if Scorpio is late 2017 and it won't be making an appearance at E3 then I think it'll be a while before we hear about any kind of partnership partnership. Kill two birds with one stone and all that.
gaming_noob
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Fall 2017 is a long wait. Microsoft, give me yo Scorpio reveal before I don't want it no more.
I wonder about this one too. I don't see a target audience yet.
The console crowd isn't going to be purchasing 699 headsets anytime soon. I think the only audience that's really going to be able to enjoy this feature are high-end PC gamers that are already into PC-VR.
Or we could potentially see a cheaper version of the Oculus headset launch with Scorpio.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah I agree it puts them in a really strong position with little risk.
Wait... how can you say it's not an assumption but then in the next sentence admit you could be completely wrong?
Yet try to "let me down" by definitively saying that it isn't going to happen?
SEGAvangelist
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Well if Scorpio is Holiday 2017 like the rumors suggest, Oculus should be much cheaper by then.
excellent point. They really did sink a lot of Money into Kinect. It seems like they went all in with it, buying the company and everything. This way they can have VR while still working on AR/BR.
Agreed. It's smart. With this collaboration they can tick that 'VR' box for promoting their new hardware and they don't have to take a huge gamble in investing in hardware themselves. Regardless on whether the feature will actually be widely used or not.
It might. But I don't see it dropping multiple hundreds of dollars in price that quickly when Oculus themselves is struggling to keep even a single unit on store shelves.
SEGAvangelist
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We're talking probably 16 months from now, though. That's a lot of time to get things under control. Maybe MS helps in some way too?
Console War 2? Oh boy... you need to be educated.
No offense to him but I don't think he knows much regarding MS conference. They have it on lock down since last year.
I prefer the element of surprise anywayou for a change haha.
BruceLeeRoy
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Ha oh man Ford your really hoping for this one.
All I am saying is regardless of who you hear this stuff from and how trustworthy they are nobody but Phil and co really could tell you anything you could bank on 100%.
That said I would be shocked if it showed up.
lol wow.. Ok I dunno what console war we're on now-take it as a joke pls. Thanks,
Sure, by then i'd imagine the second wave of VR headsets may be hitting the scene too. So that'll probably help.
But my point remains that it's simply not going to be feasible for the console crowd at the current pricepoint. Same with Sony. 399 is going to be the absolute upper limit and even then I don't see PSVR flying off shelves until it's <300.
Shpeshal Nick
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But it doesn't matter. It's not Microsofts hardware. That's the point. They're merely supporting someone else's accessory so whether 10 Xbox gamers buy an Oculus or 10 million, Microsoft has no real stake in it.
SEGAvangelist
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Plus PSVR headset is competing with Neo. Those products are so expensive that I can see them cutting into each other.
You mean a riotous bloodbath.
Bitch Pudding
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Yeah, this VR proposition of Scorpio, I am not convinced yet. First of all the good stuff:
- Overall Oculus is the more potent system
- VR games on Scorpio won't be hold back by a legacy platform like vanilla PS4
So, that's cool and allows a supreme VR experience.
Thing is, PSVR
- has a significant price advantage (even without taking the price for Scorpio into consideration)
- runs on every PS4 sold yet (which is a lot)
- and has a noticeable head-start of likely at least 6 month, maybe even a whole year.
So, while I have no doubt that "VR on Scorpio" can attract a whole bunch of enthusiasts, I cannot to see the mass market being heavily appealed by that. T
I only saw a single post by Dragon Punch and the content of that particular post was completely incorrect. I make no other judgments, presuming he trains under a waterfall. Keep me out of your Megatons and Barn Leaks.
I don't think that's how they'll approach it. If they're going to try to check the VR box, perhaps trying to level the playing field with Sony, then they'll need to put some muscle behind it in terms of marketing at the very least. I can imagine some publishing as well so it looks like they're invested in the format to a similar level Sony is in their own.
LukasTaves
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I believe that from now on that's how they will support new accessories and devices. Uwp gives them a way to develop a platform once and have it available on both console and Pc (unlike kinect where they had to develop and maintain 2 SDKs for each), which is good for developers because they can reach more platforms, is good for Ms for the reasons stated (as well have people using your platform, be them developers or users), and it's good for users that won't get another kinect situation where the device becomes forced to a console, the ones that want the device can buy it separately and use it anywhere.
SEGAvangelist
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I guess it's dangerous to call out masters of martial arts. Stay safe, Frankie.
Interestingly enough, if there was a megaton this E3 and Scorpio came out this year head to head against Neo, I think I and a lot of PS4 owners would opt for MS' machine over the neo. You'd get the best multiplats and the legacy Xbone titles on the new machine and my PS4 plays all Neo games anyway.
Im not so interested in a Neo to lock 1080p or 60fps. Scorpio would be a much more compelling machine.
Im not so interested in a Neo to lock 1080p or 60fps. Scorpio would be a much more compelling machine.
Mihalis0013
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Any chance they do a road map type presentation at some point similar to how Nvidia and others do where they show the current gen card, the one about to come out, but spend a lot of their conference showing off the thing coming out after the thing about to come out that's way better.
I remember watching their keynote before Maxwell and thinking... huh, Pascal looks way better than the coming Maxwell.
I can see MS doing something similar with perhaps less focus showing maybe a graph with 2013 Xbox One, 2016 Slim, 2017 Scorpio (with extremely vague dots on a chart or possibly a 6TFlop* *final specs subject to change) and then maybe a 2019/2020 something or another to show that Xbox will always have the next more powerful thing around the corner.
Just speculation obviously but iirc the latest speculation was that NEO was being shown at TGS and MS going before Sony means that unless they know something we don't they're going to have to do a presentation based on anticipation of what Sony will say and I think we all expect Sony to crush it this year with or without NEO.
I remember watching their keynote before Maxwell and thinking... huh, Pascal looks way better than the coming Maxwell.
I can see MS doing something similar with perhaps less focus showing maybe a graph with 2013 Xbox One, 2016 Slim, 2017 Scorpio (with extremely vague dots on a chart or possibly a 6TFlop* *final specs subject to change) and then maybe a 2019/2020 something or another to show that Xbox will always have the next more powerful thing around the corner.
Just speculation obviously but iirc the latest speculation was that NEO was being shown at TGS and MS going before Sony means that unless they know something we don't they're going to have to do a presentation based on anticipation of what Sony will say and I think we all expect Sony to crush it this year with or without NEO.
Nah, people that want Oculus and will buy one will go with a PC whether Scorpio is available or not. Compatibility with the living room TV is even less of a factor when considering VR uses a second display.
Buying into XBone after they already got trounced by Sony is going to be a hard pill to swallow for most, but to spend exorbitantly on a console (probably $600+) and a VR HMD ($600) on a company that will, by common perception, be pulling an NX type move doesn't seem promising at all.
With a PC or a PS4 a user doesn't get all the baggage and potentially a $1200 pair of doorstops in a year or two. Certainly some might make the argument that Rift will work with a PC, but if XBox as a brand collapses which I expect if MS says ALL XBone titles must run on Windows and half of the 3rd parties that develop for XBone and Windows drop XBone development altogether, who really is going to a want an obnoxiously Xbone branded Rift?
SEGAvangelist
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Haha. No way they'd sell Oculus and Scorpio for $600 each.
I will. I'm not building a pc but want OR. $400 ish, plus OR , closed system, I'm in
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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You think you are getting OR for free with the system? What fantasy land are you on?
pretty sure he means $400 for Xbox plus whatever the cost of the OR is
So how's going the halo 6 development on scorpio?
creamhackered
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Define "won't be there."
Well it will be a Windows 10 device that can run UWP/UWA so all it basically need to do is meet the requirements for Oculus Rift games & apps.
SEGAvangelist
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Oh, hi there!
VincentMatts
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Doesnt need to be there, we just want official specs/info.
statham
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Hey now!
Haha, that's more like it.
BruceLeeRoy, trying to kill all hopes and dreams. For shame Bruce, for shame.