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[Jezbollah]

Arguing about gun control legislation is not speculating on the incident. Gun laws, by nature, cannot be a motive, and while all the arguments in the world can be amde as to the means of carrying out an attack like this based on gun laws, it falls in line with every other gun politics argument. Thats my whole damn point. There are a million pertinent things we could be talking about.

Like the specific details of the incident.

Good, I guess you'll be creating the OT then.

 

[everyday math]

I'm sorry Texas, but get your shit figured out.

 

[Horse Detective]

I don't understand the motivation behind filing away gun control debates into a separate OT when each news story is sensitive and important. The discussion is relevant to every happening relating gun violence and I feel as though we dismiss it's importance by saying it needs to be talked about somewhere else.

 

[Couleurs]

Imagine the internal conflict in conservatives as they struggle between being outraged because a Muslim was involved, while being gleeful at the thought of dozens of LGBT people dying.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Can we talk about homophobia instead of gun laws?

How about we talk about his motivations a bit considering fifty fucking people died and I'm angry and afraid and holy fucking shit I thought we finally got past this kind of shit happened.

I thought the US had finally at least gotten to the point where I didn't have to worry about being fucking killed for being gay. It had taken a long fucking time but I thought we'd at least gotten THAT far.

Terrifying.

If you want to talk about homophobia, go ahead. But we can obviously discuss both.

 

[Henkka]

Yeah what a bizarre thing. Looks like there's zero room for any discussion on this giant topic.

There's now a thread on r/news, but it doesn't show up on r/all. Currently there's nothing on Reddit's front page about the biggest mass shooting in US history. Fucking outrageous censorship, imo.

 

[Kathian]

Because Islam just loves gay people.

Islamists attack society for it generally. It would be new for them to start targeting such specific groups - new but not impossible.

Also homophobic can still be culturally or religiously motivated.

 

[jstripes]

Why the fuck would he get mad seeing two men kiss and then say it wasn't religiously motivated

It seems that the only people who care enough about two men kissing are those who are religious

Either way, RIP to the victims and fuck all assholes who are against freedom of personal expression. Fuck them all. The world would be better off without that kind of intolerance.

My brother is a massive homophobe, and he's about as non-religious as you can get.

 

[greatgeek]

Texas Lieutenant Governor sends his sympathies:

"This was directed towards the shooter, of course. I love fags."

 

[zero_suit]

50 dead? It was 10 when I checked this thread a few hours ago. Senseless.

 

[DrForester]

Wow just waking up to the horrible news.



Sadly, I'm just waiting for this. It's just a matter of who. My money is on Bachmann, Palin, or Huckabee.

And the winner is... Dan Patrick. Lt. Governor of Texas.

https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741963306294902785

 

[Audioboxer]

Texas Lieutenant Governor sends his sympathies:

What the fuck is that victim blaming? Or am I reading that wrong?

 

[Bedameister]

What's this supposed to mean?

You could translate it with something nice like: "They deserved death because they were gay"
You know, stuff a republican would say.

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

http://www.chron.com/about/article/...ts-reap-what-8076147.php?cmpid=twitter-mobile

Wow. While there is a slim chance that he wasn't implying anything about the shooting I highly doubt it. Fuck this guy and everyone else like him.

 

[John Dunbar]

Nope. Many people who are not religious hate homosexuals.

i would still argue that in many or even most cases the homophobia is still rooted in religion even if the homophobe him/herself is not religious.

 

[SchrodingerC]

Holy shit, is the 50 dead number correct? Literally every time they deliver news the death toll rises.

So much info to catch up on.

 

[Bucca]

The worst mass shooting in all of US history, happened not even 30 minutes from my home...

I just... have no words to this. I can't believe this happened, and in Orlando of all places...

 

[sturgboski]

You got to be fucking kidding me
If he killed sll those people just because of two guys kissing than thats fucking obscure.

Obscure is not the right word. Obscene maybe? Absurd? Dont want to put words in your mouth but obscure isnt right.

MSNBC bringing up now how this is going to be a big political topic for the election, but also hoping that this finally turns into regulations on guns (Obama has been asking for it throughout his tenure after each shooting but is hamstrung by Congress), but now as this is the worst mass shooting, perhaps the voters will make a statement this fall.

Spoiler

Sadly, I fear the right will make the Islamic statement and with the hatemongering there, that will sell (not to mention the platform tends to not be gay friendly).

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Most people I see who hate gay people tend to cite their religious beliefs, I rarely see athiests or agnostic folk dislike LGBT.

I take it you're not LGBT yourself because I see it all the time.

 

[Tagyhag]

Considering the guy was already on the FBI's radar, I'm pretty sure that he was religious in some way or another.

 

[ElephantEyelash]

Ugh jesus abcnews interviewing a mom who still hasn't heard from her son. You can tell she is expecting the worst but cops are telling her it will be hours before they can identify the bodies. This is just too hard to watch.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Dude that's going a bit too far, though I understand he's a vile person considering he killed 50 people.

Just fuck him.

Wow, are you seriously saying it's too far to call a mass murderer a cunt?

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

My wonderful state, this is why writing my gov and rep is pointless.

 

[mario_O]

Most people I see who hate gay people tend to cite their religious beliefs, I rarely see athiests or agnostic folk dislike LGBT.

So you mean mostly Christians and Muslims.

 

[kiguel182]

This is terrible. 50 people dead because of an homophobic piece of shit. It's so sad.

My thoughts are with the families and the people hurt that will hopefully survive.

EDIT: also, after sandy hook I doubt anything will happen with regards to gun control. There are people that still cite "freedom" to own a gun when tons of people die because of it. It's sad and something I simply cannot understand.

 

[Rebel Leader]

What's this supposed to mean?

You know exactly what it means

 

[Jeels]

Because Islam just loves gay people.

There are lots of muslims that are fine with gay people.

There are lots of muslims that are against homosexuality but are not going to murder 50+ people.

 

[Nipo]

Has there been any talk about how this is similar (albeit on a much larger scale) than the LGBT killings ordered by al Qaeda and ISIS in Bangladesh?

 

[RastaMentality]

And the winner is... Dan Patrick. Lt. Governor of Texas.

https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741963306294902785

The tweet was sent via Twitter Ads so it was probably a pre-scheduled one set for 7am (at the worst time possible) but the man is still garbage.

 

[Dreadnought]

There's now a thread on r/news, but it doesn't show up on r/all. Currently there's nothing on Reddit's front page about the biggest mass shooting in US history. Fucking outrageous censorship, imo.

Do you know how early it is for most people in the U.S right now?

 

[Bluekaveli]

50 people dead,wow holy cow. Rip.

 

[Enduin]

This is absolutely horrifying.

 

[DeathSparks]

What

The

Fuck

I was thinking of the father, the comments towards the shooter are justified.

 

[tearsintherain]

Well if seeing two men kissing in Orlando is what drove him to this, it might explain why he took 2 hours to drive to Orlando and specifically shoot up a night club there.

Another article seemed to indicate the killer had a son himself, which is insane.

Like... if you have a kid, what on earth can make you decide "hey imma go murder a bunch of people and then die".

Didn't understand how the San Bernardino shooters went off and killed a bunch of people while having a newborn baby, or how this dude can go out and murder a bunch of innocent people who were just having fun.

More than mental illness, something is just fundamentally broken with people who can do this and I hope I live to see the day where technology can detect that broken state in a brain long before someone can act on it.

 

[alternade]

I was just at a gay club like this 2 days ago and it's terrifying to think that something like this could have happened there.

Its deeply depressing but we all know nothing will change and were just counting the days until the next big one. It makes me sick, guns and gun culture in America.

My condolences to all those lives lost.

 

[Mesousa]

This mom speaking on ABC just literally killed me....

 

[KeyBladerXIII]

Jesus, ABC was talking with the mother of a missing son who was at the club. It's heart-rending.

 

[Majukun]

http://www.chron.com/about/article/...ts-reap-what-8076147.php?cmpid=twitter-mobile

what the actual fuck??

 

[TimeEffect]

Btw, what happens if some of the victims didnt want to be outed as gay?

Seems like the media will eventually plaster their faces on the screen, but what if some of the victims wouldn't want that?

 

[Nokagi]

Texas Lieutenant Governor sends his sympathies:

I really hope this was just a coincidence and he didn't mean it as a response to the shooting. I mean if not what the fuck...

 

[Azuran]

Texas Lieutenant Governor sends his sympathies:

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Jonm1010]

It's still not fully automatic, neither are the popular "slide fire" stocks.

Even then, slide fire stocks have been out for years and years now, I've yet to hear about them being used in crime.

This is such a bizzare argument. Stupid too, but bizzare.

The people who use it are just the ones pushing back in general but have taken this odd line where they mark their territory.

Do you really expect automatic weapons to not be used in crime if, say, they were more easily attainable and and cheaper then other guns? It's a supply and access issue. A handgun and many other guns are more easily attainable. So by this logic we should just restrict access to handguns and non-automatic guns right? And leave automatics alone and there will be zero shift in usage rates??? No. Of course not. But I do love that through these arguments you are basically conceding that non-auto guns are in fact a major problem.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I was thinking of the father, the comments towards the shooter are justified.

Caught that after my post. No worries!

 

[meanspartan]

Can we talk about homophobia instead of gun laws?

How about we talk about his motivations a bit considering fifty fucking people died and I'm angry and afraid and holy fucking shit I thought we finally got past this kind of shit happened.

I thought the US had finally at least gotten to the point where I didn't have to worry about being fucking killed for being gay. It had taken a long fucking time but I thought we'd at least gotten THAT far.

Terrifying.

It is terrifying.

But if this is indeed a gay crime against gay people and not radical islam (could be both), take comfort in the fact that this generation is the last gasps of the anti-gay "movement". As for radical islam, I'm not so optimistic.

 

[whytemyke]

For the record, I am all for reasonable regulations.

But this argument doesn't fly. How many shootings have we had in France the last two years? Gun laws are very strict there.

Also, Canada has relatively high gun ownership (though not as high as ours for sure) but much less gun crime.

Uh, one?
And how many in the US with very lax regulations? Far more.

 

[Renekton]

You can be homophobic with or without religion.

You don't need to be religious to be a homophobic piece of shit.

Though it is statistically more likely.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Wow. While there is a slim chance that he wasn't implying anything about the shooting I highly doubt it. Fuck this guy and everyone else like him.

Wtf is wrong with this guy and at his position he holds?? I can never understand how you can hate someone because of their sexual orientation. Too many sick people in the head out there.

 

[partyphone]

Rep. Peter King rightly pointing out that this sort of attack could happen anywhere and that's the world we live in these days. It doesn't matter the country, if certain people or individuals are motivated enough they will indeed do great harm. France is proof that gun laws alone aren't enough. There needs to be more effort on the part of security services in tackling Islamist extremism. And saying this doesn't make one a Trump supporting, right wing nutjob. It's just basic fucking common sense!

well no shit we need better security. but we also need less guns. you can do both. and saying, well it can happen anywhere is the talk of a chickenshit coward who is afraid to stand up and do the right thing. it's disgusting.

 

[Kyzer]

Good, I guess you'll be creating the OT then.

What's the point? That wouldn't solve anything.

We need to ban gun politics from these threads, too. Both sides of the argument. It's just redundant, will never reach any conclusion, and will derail every thread about casualty events every time, which is bad for the discourse of the thread and it becomes outright disrespectful when posters are flinging shit at each other over gun legislation.

 

[theecakee]

And the winner is... Dan Patrick. Lt. Governor of Texas.

https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741963306294902785

Delete your account Dan Patrick.