SomedayTheFire
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Not all homophobes are religious. Not all religious people are homophobes.
Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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VGChampion
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Yeah, I mean, I'm in Orlando about 10 minutes away from the club but every station here including national is reporting it.
Yeah I know, wanting increased surveillance on suspected Islamists and greater intelligence sharing between countries is such an extremist position to take. Fucks sake! :rolleyes
everyday math
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Nah. My boss dislikes gay people, but he isn't religious. Just doesn't like them. Thinks it's weird.
I'm completely straight, but I went to a gay club with some friends once. The place was completely chill, with none of that macho fratboy posturing you get in straight clubs. Everyone was just having a good time. (And no one even hit on me.)
I'm sickened by the news.
Plasticine
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Hate crimes toward gay people are usually going to be religiously motivated. I just woke up am still processing all this, so I've got no clue if this was a lone wolf thing or related to a specific terrorist group. Just awful :-(
SaganIsGOAT
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DeathSparks
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Dude that's going a bit too far, though I understand he's a vile person considering he killed 50 people.
Just fuck him.
mario_O
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wat?
kitchenmotors
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No, his response is valid considering this piece of shit homophobe just killed 50 people.
Sibersk Esto
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No but he very clearly wanted to be one, which (no offense) is a typical power fantasy for mass murderers.
SON OF A BITCH
APZonerunner
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To be fair, the atrocities in Paris were the acts of a co-ordinated group who had planned far, far in advance and, crucially, had support, financial and otherwise, from an established terrorist network, and through that from IS itself. This attack appears, at least so far, to be the act of a lone gunman who likely has been inspired and groomed by the extremists online and the like but who probably hasn't received the sort of support that the Paris attackers did. Or, to put it another way, it has more in common with the California shooting a few months back where that guy and his wife were inspired by stuff online and performed an act alone than Paris, where a large group of terrorists mounted an attack that was planned with IS, and that the group immediately claimed gleeful responsibility for.
Of course, it could turn out that this guy is part of a cell and part of a larger machine, but the nature of the attack - a solo attack - historically puts it alongside the less organized people who've been radicalized but aren't part of a group in a specific way, at least based on the past.
Obviously these sort of attacks can happen anywhere, but I do think there's an argument for saying gun control makes it more difficult so that it's much harder for individuals (or smaller groups) to do terrible things without outside support from the likes of IS. As an example I submit UK events like the terrible murder of Lee Rigby - two guys were encouraged by things they'd read online to kill UK soldiers who'd returned home after fighting in the Middle East, but all they could basically get was a machete. It is terrible what they did to Lee Rigby, but one also has to be thankful they couldn't get access to firearms. What if they'd stormed that area with rifles instead? To use a non-radical example, when the UK did have a shooting with Raol Moat, who shot three people, he was distinctly limited by the nature of the gun he could get - a slower-loading hunting rifle. Again, there's damage limitation there compared to if he'd had a semi-automatic weapon, and the UK gun laws can really be thanked for that.
This is terrible, anyway. I hope we don't lose any more of the injured.
water_wendi
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So his son saw two men kissing and then lost his shit? im not inclined to believe this is the whole story.
i think its just a shirt. No reports of him being a cop. ive read about him being a security guard of some kind though.
Wow just waking up to the horrible news.
Sadly, I'm just waiting for this. It's just a matter of who. My money is on Bachmann, Palin, or Huckabee.
Sadly, I'm just waiting for this. It's just a matter of who. My money is on Bachmann, Palin, or Huckabee.
Wind's Howling
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Already rectified my mistake. Thought he meant the father.
Arguing about gun control legislation is not speculating on the incident. Gun laws, by nature, cannot be a motive, and while all the arguments in the world can be amde as to the means of carrying out an attack like this based on gun laws, it falls in line with every other gun politics argument. Thats my whole damn point. There are a million pertinent things we could be talking about.
Like the specific details of the incident.
Hcoregamer00
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Is it that hard to believe this was a homophobic attack and terrorism?
It could easily be both, especially if it has religious motivations.
Fucking awful. Huge loss of life. Wishing the best for those injured to pull through. Respect to all the officers and first responders on the scene, sounds like a nightmare.
Can't say much about the shooter without more details but lone wolf domestic terrorism continues to be damn frightening. So senseless and difficult to predict.
I welcome the return of the gun control debate, both on the board and in the national conversation. Disgusting it takes horrific events to snap us back into caring. I'm guilty of letting the anger subside as time passes under the status quo. It all just seems so futile against such powerful opposition, but with the spotlight on the election there's no avoiding a pointed debate now.
The knee jerk finger wagging and drive by posts from Euros in a time of tragedy I could do without. Most of you guys find ways to contribute to the conversation with respect, but others can't seem to help themselves.
Can't say much about the shooter without more details but lone wolf domestic terrorism continues to be damn frightening. So senseless and difficult to predict.
I welcome the return of the gun control debate, both on the board and in the national conversation. Disgusting it takes horrific events to snap us back into caring. I'm guilty of letting the anger subside as time passes under the status quo. It all just seems so futile against such powerful opposition, but with the spotlight on the election there's no avoiding a pointed debate now.
The knee jerk finger wagging and drive by posts from Euros in a time of tragedy I could do without. Most of you guys find ways to contribute to the conversation with respect, but others can't seem to help themselves.
Like many have said if 20 children can get gunned down and nothing happened then nothing ever will.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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You don't have to be religious to be bigoted towards gays.
Of course, reminds us again how they're amazing for gardening.
everyday math
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*takes a deep breath and let's out slowly*
old manatee
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SomedayTheFire
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Christopher
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Who is saying all - Address the problem in front of you.
The father wouldn't know what's in his head. People don't just become violently homophobic to the point of organized mass murder without some kind of motivation behind it. I'm sure the FBI will uncover the truth of what he's been getting in to.
Crimson_Fate
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Private security guard
Dark Cloud
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What's this supposed to mean?
meanspartan
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For the record, I am all for reasonable regulations.
But this argument doesn't fly. How many shootings have we had in France the last two years? Gun laws are very strict there.
Also, Canada has relatively high gun ownership (though not as high as ours for sure) but much less gun crime.
It already happened. See above.
mario_O
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Nope. Many people who are not religious hate homosexuals.
Tiny limp penises, deep seated issues regarding inadequacy and the misplaced desire to raise their social status by informing the world about those ailments.
Frozenprince
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Can we talk about homophobia instead of gun laws?
How about we talk about his motivations a bit considering fifty fucking people died and I'm angry and afraid and holy fucking shit I thought we finally got past this kind of shit happened.
I thought the US had finally at least gotten to the point where I didn't have to worry about being fucking killed for being gay. It had taken a long fucking time but I thought we'd at least gotten THAT far.
Terrifying.
How about we talk about his motivations a bit considering fifty fucking people died and I'm angry and afraid and holy fucking shit I thought we finally got past this kind of shit happened.
I thought the US had finally at least gotten to the point where I didn't have to worry about being fucking killed for being gay. It had taken a long fucking time but I thought we'd at least gotten THAT far.
Terrifying.
John Dunbar
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then what should everyone not posting news updates post? and endless stream of "omg" and "rip"?
Abstrusity
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AR stands for ARmaLite. It's not easy to modify rifle parts without some sort of education and training, but it IS possible, just will land you in prison if anyone knew. Selling this requires taxes, registration, and a weapon age requirement. They sre not professionally machined outside of military applications. If he used an automatic capable upper, he likely machined it himself.
What a fucking insensitive piece of shit!
Outdoor Miner
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Needs to be posted every time.
water_wendi
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Maybe if someone livestreams a grade school auditorium massacre things might change?
Hylianhero777
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I apologize. Reflecting on it everyone grieves in different ways. Wasn't my place to say anything.
Just saw it. People suck
BreezyLimbo
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Most people I see who hate gay people tend to cite their religious beliefs, I rarely see athiests or agnostic folk dislike LGBT. And when most of Republicans have a thing against LGBT, they always cite their religious beliefs when defending themselves.
So that either makes this guy religious, or a Republican. It's still infuriating that such hate over personal expression exists.
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