Could someone make a new thread for this? I think that definitely deserves some discussion and headlight.
Don't these rights already have a lot of ifs and buts, though?
Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Could someone make a new thread for this? I think that definitely deserves some discussion and headlight.
Don't these rights already have a lot of ifs and buts, though?
Exactly.
The main issue is that you guys never really cracked down hard on gangs over there - that's the only way to begin to implement gun control.
Spiral Insanity
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Jesus.
Pick names out out a hat. Is that a serious question?
Sunset Samurai
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Awe okay that makes sense.
Yes it is a serious question. How about giving me an answer like everyone did Instead of a smart ass reply?
GoldenEye 007
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Statement from the University of Central Florida:
LookAtMeGo
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Holy shit. I just got to work and heard about this now. I feel sick. RIP everyone. I don't know what else to say. Just fucking horrible.
ElRenoRaven
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See I'm for owning guns but I agree. We don't need fucking assault weapons. We don't need massive clips. We don't. We need several things.
1. We need a complete ban on assault weapons.
2. We need proper mental health screenings to get a gun and when the licenses are renewed.
3. We need licenses to own a gun. You have to have one to drive a car. Why not a gun?
4. Background checks for every sale of a gun be it private or at a store, etc.
5. Requirements to have weapons safely locked away in gun cabinets or with safety locks when not using them.
The least we can do are those things. Then when a time comes that biometric locking of weapons can happen we do that. I'm all for a gun only firing if the registered owner is the one touching the damn thing.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
PS: I think the guns debate continues to be relevant though...
Arrogant Bastard
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Why wouldn't they be talking about guns? A hi-cap AR-15 was used yet again in a mass shooting, we can stop this. What would you have us do to stop this toxic ideology?
LucidMomentum
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The gun made it very easy for him to kill so many. Whatever motivated him, the gun made it more efficient for him to carry out his actions.
Of course there would be talk about guns, in the first world country that has the biggest issue with gun violence.
Maybe, as a person that just watched The Insider again recently it reminds me of the cigarette companies. They just didn't lose cases. They spend you to death to the point you are bankrupt or lose on technicalities and scare away lawyers from taking on the cases.
I would imagine the gun companies would operate similarly.
I would be fine opening it up but I would be skeptical how it alone would be that effective.
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And why would I want them?
fixed that for ya
What should be done is not what will be done.
meanspartan
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My dad is a lifelong hunter, and we also enjoy going to the range together. Our family owns mostly shotguns and a couple bolt action rifles for hunting, but yes, we do also have the dreaded AR 15.
Here's the thing- we keep all of those guns including the AR 15 in a 700 pound gun safe locked by a keypad that only he and I know the (long) code for.
Not to toot our own horn, but that is what responsible gun ownership means to us and I wish more took such precautions.
Here's the thing- we keep all of those guns including the AR 15 in a 700 pound gun safe locked by a keypad that only he and I know the (long) code for.
Not to toot our own horn, but that is what responsible gun ownership means to us and I wish more took such precautions.
Audioboxer
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Toxic ideologies or not, America has the issue of bad people being able to get powerful guns very easily. Fucked up people are literally able to arm themselves with very little checks with weapons that cause tons of destruction.
We have to fight bad ideas/ideologies with better ones, but it's much better to fight those with words and education. How do you fight with words against a powerful rifle? With more guns? /s
We have to fight bad ideas/ideologies with better ones, but it's much better to fight those with words and education. How do you fight with words against a powerful rifle? With more guns? /s
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Do you think he would be able to kill 50 people and injure 53 without a gun?
The attacks in Europe were carefully planned by a organization that can put a whole lot of resources into it, and they had to smuggle the weapons.
This attacks seem to have been done by a single lone individual, that aqquired the gun legally. Chances that this would be prevented with proper gun laws is very, very high.
There is absolutely no reason to think an attack like this (Islamist terrorism) would be curtailed if we had more strict gun laws. The attacks in Europe should make this evident. The biggest issue BY FAR is Islamism.
Guns are an obsession, and that obsession is often fueled by paranoia and a sense of entitlement. The second amendment has been mutilated beyond all meaning -- I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would approve of assault weapons used as toys among dickless men- children.
I've worked with a few gun nuts who have literal arsenals at home, have weapons in their cars, strapped to their ankles and waists -- I've asked why this is necessary and never get an answer beyond a slightly confused smirk.
I've worked with a few gun nuts who have literal arsenals at home, have weapons in their cars, strapped to their ankles and waists -- I've asked why this is necessary and never get an answer beyond a slightly confused smirk.
So would those Christians. Don't kid yourself, the only reason they (bigoted Christians) are not more extreme is because they are scared of the consequences.
Lightning_Roller
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Holy fuck, I mean holy fuck what the shit man?! 50 people dead!! This shit is just plain disgusting, goddamn. Rest in peace to all those lost in this tragic event.
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Warm Machine
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Anyone bringing up the AR-15s just look scary are not fully auto and an equivalent rifle with equivalent magazine could do the same thing argument is simply not fucking getting the point. Your gun knowledge isn't changing the very fact that weapon with high ammo capacity and semi auto capability shouldn't be something that is easily attainable anywhere.
Cindi Mayweather
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Party lines. This country is fucked.
The Artisan
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reread my post again. I said "it is of course a problem" - but the main problem that I see is definitely the radical islamic influence. there has to be a way to destroy it.
the wiki says he's "bragged of being part of terrorist groups" in the past though.
A bomb? Sure. A knife? Fuck no.
That's fucking horrible. I'll be hoping for the best. Hang in there!
kame-sennin
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A muslim person will probably be beat up tomorrow because of this.
Fuck outta here.
Obviously we need much better gun control for people on terrorist watchlists at the very least.
Personally I don't think people should have AR-15s or the like except for stuff they can mess around with on the gun range, nor high capacity magazines.
Getting rid of radical extremism by getting completely off of oil/gas and bankrupting Saudi Arabia (so they can't fund Wahhabist schools all over the world) is the other thing that needs to happen.
Frozenprince
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Vote local and down ticket.
Chiggs
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Is there any legal precedence for this?
BaronLundi
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This is devastating. My thoughts to the families, the LGBT community and everyone affected one way or another.
Senseless tragedy and a terror attack regardless of nationality, ethnicity, political affiliation or motives.
Senseless tragedy and a terror attack regardless of nationality, ethnicity, political affiliation or motives.
jacob armitage
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Not to mention a gun that he legally obtained while being on a watch list.
dark_chris
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Uh... Wanna clarify that?
I edited my post after re-reading the post I quoted. I think both debates are relevant.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
Nobody's saying that there aren't problems with Islam and homosexuality. But being a Muslim does not automatically make you go out and kill 50 gay people.
You know that Islam isn't some monolithic entity where every adherent believes the same thing, right?
Arrogant Bastard
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So, let me see if I'm following, don't want to reach. Since strict gun laws wouldn't stop this we shouldn't have strict gun laws? Is that what you are saying?
Again, what would you like us to do about radical Islam?
Bigboss242
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Oh damn don't know what to say.
SneakersSO
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Without a gun? Absolutely. Bomb in an enclosed space like that would've easily done just as much as damage, if not more.
The impetus for this was he had a will to kill those people due to who they are.
And wouldn't it be great if we as a country at a minimum ensured through regulation and monitoring that your responsible sheltering of guns was not something we just have to hope people are doing? But something that is enforced through legal penalty for disobeying?
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