Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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NullPointer
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Maybe they're just following the age old console tradition of promising performance baselines that we won't see until the next revision after, or even the one after that.
Scorpio is only the beginning. They've going to want you to buy in to the Scorpio 2 soon enough.
barneystuta83
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Unlikely, but is anywhere taking pre orders yet?
KinofChaos
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It doesnt need to be, Scorpio launching later and more expensive will be bad for MS.
Yep
Killer Queen
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I think that's way too early for a turn around. At that point they shouldn't even release a Neo. I'd say we won't be getting any new consoles til 2020 at the earliest.
Reizo Ryuu
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Dunno why people are so confused about backwards/forwards compatibility, it's like you don't know how pc's work...
The settings at which the games run will just preset by the devs, it's no different from having "game" at 720p medium settings vs 1440p ultra settings.
The settings at which the games run will just preset by the devs, it's no different from having "game" at 720p medium settings vs 1440p ultra settings.
Thats the idea
BFIB
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Yep. These current consoles have a hard enough time keeping up with 1080. Now they want to jump straight to 4K when they can't even hold current resolution.
Just got a feeling a lot of people are going to end up disappointed.
If neo is this year, and Scorpio is next year, and Sony has no could her to Scorpio until 2018, I think MSs timing is superb. I'm a launch ps4 owner, its far to early to make an upgrade this year, a minor one especially, but next year if its a generational leap, I could be convinced...and it will be so so hard to wait a year for Sony
yes
Yeah, I rather have the 60fps 1080p, instead of the endless resolution bumps at mediocre framerates and effects. But who are we to say. maybe with all these changes we someday get the chance to pick a better framerate over resolution, even on a console.
Shpeshal Nick
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See my posts earlier. I think this is a dumb move from MS and I also said Neo doesn't need to be.
qa_engineer
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Scorpio might be top dog for 2-3 years assuming neo doesn't match or come close to the performance package. Who knows at this point. We've never been at this juncture in the history of console gaming.
Samurai G0SU
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Very nice.
KinofChaos
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Neo won't be 100 more and is launching earlier.....Apples and oranges.
8 AMD Teraflops in 2018 isn't going to be a huge deal. Hell 6 AMD Teraflops next year won't be a big deal either.
They release PS4K this year, widen the gap even further by the time Scorpio is out and by that time Scorpio being more powerful won't even matter. Then in 2019 you see a new PlayStation that is superior to Scorpio by a big margin. Sure MS will come out with something better a year or two later but they'll still be playing catch up.
What is essentially happening now is that the two platform manufacturers are breaking up the sync. You won't find then both releasing the same year anymore since R&D takes time...Sony decided to jump in early and ~4.2 Teraflops in 2016 is going to fare better relative to the year, than 6 in 2017.
ElephantShell
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This announcement makes the fact that Sony wont be talking about the Neo tonight (at least that's what they've said) a really interesting choice.
Astral Dog
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RichiRamjag
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Don't all new games still have to run on the original? That was my understanding with both this and the NEO
No one is taking pre-orders for a product that's still 18 months away.
KinofChaos
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I have not laughed this hard in months, People sayign RIP playstation? Sony scared? Scorpio is going to get rolled worse then x1 sales wise if it launched way later and more expensive then neo.
Obscuritas
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Yup, maybe except VR games for X1.
Garrett 2U
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Isn't this the case no matter what?
Astral Dog
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This
Prisoner KSC2-303
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That's backwards compatibility for the new console and no exclusives. The OP is about Scorpio, and it states forwards compatibility, which would mean Scorpio could play titles released on future hardware iterations, which as far as I know hasn't been stated.
Isn't Neo slated for a 2017 release, though?
sir_kevith
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I feel like the graphics disparity between PC and Console got so big last gen that this is almost necessary. In 1.5 years the Scorpio/Neo will still just look like midrange PC stuff.
If either 4K/VR adoption is a high though, this model is absolutely necessary.
If either 4K/VR adoption is a high though, this model is absolutely necessary.
I could be wrong, but this sounds like hope for downgrades
Anton Sugar
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Sooooo you're saying...RIP Scorpio?
Coding to the metal, Carmack-quote and all.
Yeah, but since plenty of console players have expressed negative feelings towards this kind of thing, I wonder if this will push a small chink of that crowd to the PC.
JayWood2010
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RichiRamjag
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Yeah, that's what I thought. I'd rather have new hardware to expand what can be done rather than have to conform to what the already underpowered originals are limited to.
For first persons, I don't feel you can. You'll always be at a disadvantage with a controller imo. This worries me a bit going forward (and I'm not using a damn dinner tray over my lap on my couch, so don't suggest it to me, folks). I'm sure they know better though.
Hawk269
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By Holiday 2017, it is completely reasonable that it could be playing games at 4k and 30fps. For 60fps at 4k, that will be beyond the specs of the Scorpio, unless it is simplistic games like some indie games.
I think what we will have is a handful of games at 4k/30fps and then games that are needed to run at 60fps like Forza Motorsport 7, it will be 1080p/60fps with a shit ton of effects, great IQ etc. Not everything will be 4k, especially if the target is 60fps.
This is already the case.
Xbox as a division has to start somewhere. They loved having a console that was the most powerful last gen, and it remains a great selling point for a new product. This is just the first shovelful of dirt out of the hole they're in.
SkylineRKR
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Will X1 games have performance increase on Scorpio or does that have to be patched in?
GamerMax73
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Not sure I understand what you mean by that.
Then again, I'm not sure you grasped the point of my comment.
Sony do an excellent job of selling the games.
This is a new Microsoft. If you think that they'll launch at a significantly higher price, you're going to feel really stupid next year.
They've just about stolen every page out of the ps4 playbook. No reason to think price would be different.
Negotiator
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If this chip is full 40CU Polaris 10, then Sony really wouldn't be able to out do Microsoft unless they go with Vega, which I definitely don't see happening.
They could just match the clock speed of Scorpio's chip (if they are using Polaris 10 as well), but that would probably change the entire thermal and power delivery makeup of the Neo.
Honestly, I don't see a reason for Sony to release their Neo system until the fall of next year like Microsoft. They already have Morpheus launching this fall, which runs well enough on PS4. I'm excited for the future gaming landscape regardless.
As for Scorpio's CPU, why would replacing the GPU be easier than changing the CPU? Will upclocking a Jaguar really prove that beneficial? Aren't the CPU's of both systems the primary bottleneck for overall game performance? I know that resolution is more GPU dependent.
They could just match the clock speed of Scorpio's chip (if they are using Polaris 10 as well), but that would probably change the entire thermal and power delivery makeup of the Neo.
Honestly, I don't see a reason for Sony to release their Neo system until the fall of next year like Microsoft. They already have Morpheus launching this fall, which runs well enough on PS4. I'm excited for the future gaming landscape regardless.
As for Scorpio's CPU, why would replacing the GPU be easier than changing the CPU? Will upclocking a Jaguar really prove that beneficial? Aren't the CPU's of both systems the primary bottleneck for overall game performance? I know that resolution is more GPU dependent.
Stare-Bear
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Wasn't the cloud suppose to make the X1 a 100x more powerful?
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