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[Milly Osworth]

RIP coding to the metal. 🤓

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

One has more expensive hardware and is launching later...which one will be chaper? Not rocket science.

You don't know the price of either. No one does. Stop spreading bullshit.

 

[geordiemp]

that would be nice but lets not kid ourselves. devs wont go back to work on older games unless its easy peasy

Those games already run at 60 on PC, and CPDR support their games really well, I would not be surprised...

 

[Proelite]

One thing I absolutely don't care about at the moment is 4k gaming. I hope it won't hamstring other aspects of visuals. I want better geometry, better effects, better AA, higher FPS, better lighting. I will take all of those a long time before 4k. If most devs just push 4k visuals versus 900p on Xbone then...blah.

Same way, but I feel Rift and Vive support is a good justification for getting a Scorpio.

RIP coding to the metal. ��

Console devs around the world let out the biggest cheer.

 

[Mass Appeal]

You don't know the price of either. No one does. Stop spreading bullshit.

I agree.

What if Scorpio launches at $399 and Neo at $349? It's all speculation at this point

 

[KinofChaos]

You don't know the price of either. No one does. Stop spreading bullshit.

It's called common sense and speculation, it's not bullshit, this is all speculation no? Or is it only allowed when it's speculation you like?

 

[geordiemp]

I agree.

What if Scorpio launches at $399 and Neo at $349? It's all speculation at this point

More like 500 vs 600 bucks at least lol

 

[Venuspower]

Did not watch the MS conference. But after reading that Microsoft announced a Slim Version (300€ with 500GB HD) AND the Scoprio I really think that Scorpio will be really expensive. Maybe something between 800€ or 999€. Otherwise I do not understand why Microsoft will release a Slim version for 300€. None will buy that one if Scoprio will cost 499€ or 599€.

If Sony is clever they will place PS4 Neo between 399€ and 499€ and the old PS4 around 200€.

Anyway: XBox Slim is really interesting as a UHD Player (except power consumption). Panasonic and Samsungs Players will be cheaper I think.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Same way, but I feel Rift and Vive support is a good justification for getting a Scorpio.

Rift and Vive are built for high end specs. PS VR isn't. Sony might lose this VR battle all of a sudden if Scorpio catches on.

 

[Faustek]

"I game on PC, I have no interest in an Xbox console."
"Hey cool, I can buy Xbox games on PC now, I have even less than zero interest in an Xbox console."
"Wow, Forza Horizon 3 is great."
"Wow, ReCore is great."
"Wow, Gears 4 is great."

(fast forward a few years)

"Upgrade my video card AGAIN? I don't feel like doing that any more."
"I don't have as much time to tinker with my PC as I used to."
"Maybe I could just buy a console. But which one?"
"...you know? I have this whole library of Xbox games and content already..."

And even if this doesn't happen, they earned 100% more revenue from PC players buying Xbox games than they did before. But it'll happen a few times...mark my words.

They want you in the ecosystem. They want you buying content and building up a library that you won't want to give up. In the end, they may or may not sell you an Xbox console, but it's less likely that you'll grab a PlayStation.

I wasn't to keen on MS fucking up the PC scene again and boy did they but if they ever get their shit together, to a standard I find acceptable, then yes, I could see this happening.

 

[The Albatross]

This is the big question. The Xbox One is still the baseline for performance. How are developers going to respond to having to keep around support for that when they have something so much more capable? I don't actually understand what this does for the Xbox CONSOLE brand. I think it actually damages it (not in any strong way). If you're a PC gamer, you really have no incentive to buy an Xbox One.

https://the-optional.com/project-sc...ck-the-hardcore-gamer-26d853b1a349#.pbrfab56i

Consider the idea that Microsoft is transitioning (or has been transitioning) from promoting Xbox as a console brand and instead promoting it as a gaming platform.

Last year's E3 started this, and this year's E3 really focused on that idea... That Microsoft "doesn't care" if you're buying a game for the Xbox One black box or the Windows 10 black box.

It's a shift in strategy from what we're used to in console gaming, but it might be a logical shift. Whether it will be profitable or successful for them is a big question.

 

[SwolBro]

It's called common sense, it's not bullshit, this is all speculation no? Or is it only allowed when it's speculation you like?

i actually don't get your common sense here... if one is launching later, despite having more expensive hardware for todays standards it can still come out close to the cheaper speced hardware that comes out more recent...

wtf are you saying exactly? no one knows what they'll be priced at. you're being ridiculous.

 

[Bsigg12]

Did not watch the MS conference. But after reading that Microsoft announced a Slim Version (300€ with 500GB HD) AND the Scoprio I really think that Scorpio will be really expensive. Maybe something between 800€ or 999€. Otherwise I do not understand why Microsoft will release a Slim version for 300€. None will buy that one if Scoprio will cost 499€ or 599€.

If Sony is clever they will place PS4 Neo between 399€ and 499€ and the old PS4 around 200€.

God no. The Scorpio will be $399. It's over a year away.

 

[BeforeU]

Did not watch the MS conference. But after reading that Microsoft announced a Slim Version (300€ with 500GB HD) AND the Scoprio I really think that Scorpio will be really expensive. Maybe something between 800€ or 999€. Otherwise I do not understand why Microsoft will release a Slim version for 300€. None will buy that one if Scoprio will cost 499€ or 599€.

If Sony is clever they will place PS4 Neo between 399€ and 499€ and the old PS4 around 200€.

Slim will not be $300 by next holiday

I don't understand your argument.

Scorpio can't be more than $400. And slim probably $150 or $200 by then.

 

[KinofChaos]

i actually don't get your common sense here... if one is launching later, despite having more expensive hardware for todays standards it can still come out close to the cheaper speced hardware that comes out more recent...

wtf are you saying exactly? no one knows what they'll be priced at. you're being ridiculous.

The system thats been on market longer will get a price drop faster...like since forever...it's not rocket science. Neo won't stay launch price forever.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

It's called common sense and speculation, it's not bullshit, this is all speculation no? Or is it only allowed when it's speculation you like?

Yeah, it's 18 months away. 6TF could easily be achievable at $399 (hell, maybe less) in 18 months.

COULD. MAYBE.

These are words of speculation. You post like it's all fact. Stop it.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Another thing people seem to be ignoring or having a hard time understanding...not everyone wants to build/buy/game on PC. Your not going to have all console gamers all of sudden migrate over to PC because they don't like the direction of neither MS or Sony. Get over yourself if you believe that will happen because it won't.

You don't want to buy an Xbox console to play the games? fine you can get it on PC and vice versa. All that matters to MS is that you bite the bullet and you invested into their ecosystem regardless of hardware or software preferences. The good thing here is that they are giving options for how we choose to play without the lost of progression we have already may have made on the hardware incase you move onto the other alternative.

 

[Afrodium]

Yea I think some of us are forgetting the Neo isnt supposed to be the PS5. The Scorpio for all intents and purposes is probably the XBox Two.

IMO Microsoft is probably ready to jump to their next gen console right now, Sony isnt. Would Sony really be thinking about changing the specs? If Sony waits til they are ready they could one up MS in specs again....then again MS could have a comfortable lead in sales if ppl gravitate to the Scorpio due to specs.

What a time to be alive...

There won't be a PS5 or Xbox Two. I imagine the numbers at the ends of both of these consoles' names will eventually be dropped and you'll just be able to buy an Xbox or Playstation with varying capabilities. Soon even your PC can be an Xbox or your Bravia could be your Playstation.

 

[Cybit]

Consider the idea that Microsoft is transitioning (or has been transitioning) from promoting Xbox as a console brand and instead as a gaming platform.

Last year's E3 started this, and this year's E3 really focused on that idea... That Microsoft "doesn't care" if you're buying a game for the Xbox One black box or the Windows 10 black box.

It's a shift in strategy from what we're used to in console gaming, but it might be a logical shift.

They make a crap ton more money if you just buy games for the Windows 10 black box and leave consoles. Because if they convince gamers to shift to PC over console...that's taking away folks from Sony as well. In a world where consoles functionally become gaming PCs; that's to MS's major advantage over Sony. If consoles suddenly disappeared, MS stands to gain waaaaaaaaay more money.

 

[SkylineRKR]

God no. The Scorpio will be $399. It's over a year away.

MS can sell Scorpio at a loss, and gain profit on Xbox Ones. It depends on how desirable the weaker consoles will be when these new ones are around.

 

[KinofChaos]

Yeah, it's 18 months away. 6TF could easily be achievable at $399 (hell, maybe less) in 18 months.

COULD. MAYBE.

These are words of speculation. You post like it's all fact. Stop it.

Yeah because neo price won;t ever change right? Why is this so hard to understand, by the tiem Scorpio launches sony will drop the price of Neo as it will have been out awhile.

 

[pixelation]

I agree.

What if Scorpio launches at $399 and Neo at $349? It's all speculation at this point

Sony is expected to launch earlier, whatever the price is at launch they have ample time to lower the cost if they need to right before the Scorpio launches for... ahem... critical damage before it even arrives.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Thank goodness... No more throwing everything away and starting again

I'm cool with that. It also seems throwing away your old software and ecosystem is over. I can't play my Afterburner Climax, VF5 etc anymore because I am solely on PS4 now. That seems to be over.

We can go on with PS4 and X1 and get sloppy downports by 2018, as was the case with Ps3 after about 4 years (in hindsight those Battlefield and Crysis console ports were terrible). Or you just upgrade and keep getting decent performance on your console. Old games keep working and chances are they will be boosted.

So, is the Scorpio upgradeable like PC?

 

[Proelite]

It's called common sense, it's not bullshit.

Considering that a 6tf AMD gpu would be $150 or less in fall 2017, common sense would tell you that 6 tf won't be primary indication of a pricey console.

 

[...Scatter...]

It's called common sense and speculation, it's not bullshit, this is all speculation no? Or is it only allowed when it's speculation you like?

Kind of like how AMD just released a $200 GPU with basically those specs when a comparable card was over $500 on the market that day.

But that's cool, you won't respond to this as usual.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

On one hand I am excited that MS is going balls to the wall for the new system I mean they really have no other choice. That said though my big concern is what it has always been with MS.

Games.

Who is making games to take advantage of Scorpio? All of their major 1st party is creating titles that will have to scale up for Scorpio. Same goes for 3rd party.

That means at launch your not going to be seeing a lot of stuff that is a significant leap forward from what will be on Neo.

I have no doubt their big plan is for Halo 6 to be ready for the launch of Scorpio and that they are going to bank everything on that but I just don't see Halo pulling people in like they used to. Especially if NEO is also substantially cheaper.

I don't know I want one but its a big gamble for MS. Which honestly is quite exciting.

 

[KinofChaos]

Kind of like how AMD just released a $200 GPU with basically those specs when a comparable card was over $500 on the market that day.

They are both using the same GPU, Neo will drop in price first as it will have been on the market for awhile. People twho think MS can launch a more powerfull system and sell it cheaper are kidding themselves.

 

[Lothars]

And even if this doesn't happen, they earned 100% more revenue from PC players buying Xbox games than they did before. But it'll happen a few times...mark my words.

They want you in the ecosystem. They want you buying content and building up a library that you won't want to give up. In the end, they may or may not sell you an Xbox console, but it's less likely that you'll grab a PlayStation.

I don't see it happening especially right away if the PC versions are less restrictive than they are now on Windows 10 Store than maybe but they have alot to prove and MS has been unable to do that constantly with PC gaming.

 

[CrispyBoar]

Of course. I'm working on the assumption that all things being equal. Specs alone aren't going to sway the average punter. As someone who can only afford one console ( PS4), there's no way I'd jump ship to MS based on specs alone. It's about the games, and it's about how much I've already invested into a platform. SCORPIO specs are great, they really are, but with Neo coming (though possibly less powerful), there's no incentive for me invest in a high end Xbox. Again, this is assuming things remain as they are in terms of software line-up.

This; Average consumers couldn't care less about which system is more powerful; It's about the gaming software. And when it comes down to it, it's Sony that's king in that category, in not only 1st party exclusives, but also with Japanese 3rd party exclusives. Most of Microsoft's "exclusives" meanwhile, will also be on Windows 10 Store &/or on Steam.

Whatever the specs of the Neo will be, they'll just be good enough; No need to go overboard just because Microsoft is.

 

[Proelite]

On one hand I am excited that MS is going balls to the wall for the new system I mean they really have no other choice. That said though my big concern is what it has always been with MS.

Games.

Who is making games to take advantage of Scorpio? All of their major 1st party is creating titles that will have to scale up for Scorpio. Same goes for 3rd party.

That means at launch your not going to be seeing a lot of stuff that is a significant leap forward from what will be on Neo.

I have no doubt their big plan is for Halo 6 to be ready for the launch of Scorpio and that they are going to bank everything on that but I just don't see Halo pulling people in like they used to. Especially if NEO is also substantially cheaper.

I don't know I want one but its a big gamble for MS. Which honestly is quite exciting.

Any devs that's making games for W10 would be making games for Scorpio. That's all MS first party and a good majority of third parties.

 

[Caayn]

They are both using the same GPU, Neo will drop in price first as it will have been on the market for awhile. People twho think MS can launch a more powerfull system and sell it cheaper are kidding themselves.

Please share your insider knowledge.

 

[ethomaz]

Shit like this cracks me up. It's been corrected 10 times already, but still gets posted.

1070 is 6.5 TFlops at boosted clocks.
1070 is $380 after the FE shit is through

Scorpio is 6 AMD TFlops

New AMD 480 is rumored 5.5 TFlops for $200 and will probably have an overclocked/480X version for $250.

Scorpio comes out a year and a half from now when AMD will most likely have a 6TF closer to $150.

Just a bit more...

RX 480 is a capped Polaris with 36CUs... full Polaris has 40CUs and it will be sold up to $300 (480X? 490?) while we wait Vega.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Any devs that's making games for W10 would be making games for Scorpio. That's all MS first party.

Man if scorpio worked with steam games it'd be an insta buy for me.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Why would NEO need a spec bump? Release it this year as the most powerful console on the market at $399, making the Xbox S feel like an extremely weaker option. Price cut next year. Then PS5 in 2018/19.

Exactly, when has releasing the a more powerful console a year after the competition ever yielded the number one sales spot?

The Xbox 360 strategy of getting out first uncontested while being within spitting distance of the competition power-wise is likely still the better strategy.

 

[KinofChaos]

Any devs that's making games for W10 would be making games for Scorpio. That's all MS first party.

HUH? So if I make a game on win 10 it automatically works on Scorpio?

 

[nekkid]

On one hand I am excited that MS is going balls to the wall for the new system I mean they really have no other choice. That said though my big concern is what it has always been with MS.

Games.

Who is making games to take advantage of Scorpio? All of their major 1st party is creating titles that will have to scale up for Scorpio. Same goes for 3rd party.

That means at launch your not going to be seeing a lot of stuff that is a significant leap forward from what will be on Neo.

I have no doubt their big plan is for Halo 6 to be ready for the launch of Scorpio and that they are going to bank everything on that but I just don't see Halo pulling people in like they used to. Especially if NEO is also substantially cheaper.

I don't know I want one but its a big gamble for MS. Which honestly is quite exciting.

Not a chance. After only 2 years?

 

[iceatcs]

With 6TFlops on the end of 2017, it shouldn't any problem to sell at low price.

 

[Ripenen]

Was anyone lamenting the lack of power of the Xbox One or PS4? I feel like I've missed something.

 

[bidguy]

They are both using the same GPU

they are ????

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Yeah because neo price won;t ever change right? Why is this so hard to understand, by the tiem Scorpio launches sony will drop the price of Neo as it will have been out awhile.

Again, you don't know.

We don't know the Neo release date. If Neo releases Spring 2017 at $399, it most likely won't drop by November 2017.

 

[cakely]

Did not watch the MS conference. But after reading that Microsoft announced a Slim Version (300€ with 500GB HD) AND the Scoprio I really think that Scorpio will be really expensive. Maybe something between 800€ or 999€. Otherwise I do not understand why Microsoft will release a Slim version for 300€. None will buy that one if Scoprio will cost 499€ or 599€.

Scorpio is 18 months away, and I really can't believe they'll charge more than 399 for it when it launches. They got burnt with the 499 launch of the Xbox One and that's a mistake they're unlikely to repeat.

 

[KinofChaos]

Exactly, when has releasing the a more powerful console a year after the competition ever yielded the number one sales spot?

The Xbox 360 strategy of getting out first uncontested while being within spitting distance of the competition power-wise is likely still the better strategy.

This but let them dream, it's clear they want to dream f best case scenarios.

 

[ninjablade]

Funny thing is PS4 is about 40% more powerfull than XBone and Scorpio seams to be around 40% faster than NEO.

there is no way scorpio will stick with jaguar, if scorpio gets a new zen cpu were looking at a 100% difference.

 

[yyr]

One has more expensive hardware and is launching later...which one will be chaper? Not rocket science.

Let's not forget that Market-Leader Sony is less humble than Coming-From-Behind Sony. They will charge a higher price for their product if they believe folks will pay for it. Microsoft is discounting the X1 left and right...Sony is not matching their price, because they feel they don't have to. So don't be so sure!

 

[The Albatross]

There is also a chance that Microsoft will continue to make Xbox's as the "proof of concept" for the Xbox platform, and yet allow other hardware producers to continue to make PCs that vary in power versus that Xbox platform -- similar to the Surface lineup. Microsoft has been using the Surface as an example of what tablet manufacturers can do with Microsoft's operating system... A "start from this baseline and expand on it" mentality.

The hardware manufacturers will still be making PCs, not Xbox's, but that's just like how hardware manufactuers like Asus or Acer produce their own hybrid tablets yet they don't market them as a Surface. So, Acer or Asus (or any other billion component makers) can make gaming capable PCs, and the Xbox brand is the epitome of that brand, but Microsoft encourages other producers to get in on it and have a cohesive ecosystem behind it.

It's not an unheard of idea, but it pivots how we consider branding in the console videogame space.

 

[pixelation]

MS can sell Scorpio at a loss, and gain profit on Xbox Ones. It depends on how desirable the weaker consoles will be when these new ones are around.

XBO sells aren't that good bro... looked at the recent NPD threads?. Doubt they'd be able to make much profit there honestly.

 

[Night Angel]

Man if scorpio worked with steam games it'd be an insta buy for me.

Not gonna happen.

 

[ShutterMunster]

"I game on PC, I have no interest in an Xbox console."
"Hey cool, I can buy Xbox games on PC now, I have even less than zero interest in an Xbox console."
"Wow, Forza Horizon 3 is great."
"Wow, ReCore is great."
"Wow, Gears 4 is great."

(fast forward a few years)

"Upgrade my video card AGAIN? I don't feel like doing that any more."
"I don't have as much time to tinker with my PC as I used to."
"Maybe I could just buy a console. But which one?"
"...you know? I have this whole library of Xbox games and content already..."

And even if this doesn't happen, they earned 100% more revenue from PC players buying Xbox games than they did before. But it'll happen a few times...mark my words.

They want you in the ecosystem. They want you buying content and building up a library that you won't want to give up. In the end, they may or may not sell you an Xbox console, but it's less likely that you'll grab a PlayStation.

Consider the idea that Microsoft is transitioning (or has been transitioning) from promoting Xbox as a console brand and instead promoting it as a gaming platform.

Last year's E3 started this, and this year's E3 really focused on that idea... That Microsoft "doesn't care" if you're buying a game for the Xbox One black box or the Windows 10 black box.

It's a shift in strategy from what we're used to in console gaming, but it might be a logical shift.

Yeah, I get that it's about the platform, I just don't know if this is the strategy that best positions them to be successful in the future. They really have to figure things out on the PC side and get into streaming—desktop sales will continue to dwindle, so I'm wondering how they transition into that era.

The iterative console stage of the industry is actually less exciting to me than what comes after it when everything is essentially a storefront.

 

[J-Skee]

This; Average consumers couldn't care less about which system is more powerful; It's about the gaming software.

And coming down to it, it's Sony that's king in that category, in not only 1st party exclusives, but also with Japanese 3rd party exclusives. Whatever the specs of the Neo will be, they'll just be good enough; No need to go overboard just because Microsoft is.

I mostly agree, but Sony is going to feel pressure from people saying how their competitor has a more powerful console. They don't need to cave to that, but when you've been winning the spec war for the past 3 years, it's going to be hard to ignore.

 

[ethomaz]

they are ????

Both will use Polaris from these TFs specs.

I don't think AMD will release a new mid-end GPU until late 2017.

Vega will be high-end way over these 6TFs.