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[Madness]

$699 if it came with an Oculus Rift wouldn't be a bad price. But I probably wouldn't pay more than $449 for this console. I do like the fact that Xbox One accessories will work going forward. Can get more use out of my Xbox One Elite controller.

The rumored specs are crazy though. We could get a Halo 6 that runs at 1440p/60fps and absolutely brings the eye candy that was missing from Halo 5.

 

[Qvoth]

not a techie so have no idea how much those things cost, but i'm just gonna say it's at least 500 usd
probably not going to be a mainstream console, expecting mostly hardcore xbox enthusiasts getting it

 

[harSon]

I think they'll go aggressive with the pricing. $399 for the Scorpio, and a modest price drop on the Xbox One S going into next year's holiday season.

Microsoft seems to be doing its best to correct the mistakes it made with the launch of the XB1. One of those mistakes was releasing a noticeably inferior console. Another mistake was launching at a significantly higher price point than its competition. I doubt they release the Scorpio at $499 like the original Xbox One.

 

[Madness]

The adoption rate of 4k will still be ridiculously small by holiday 2017. These boxes should just focus at ridiculous performance and graphics at 1080p and for vr.

Safe projections have 33% of US households having a 4K capable television by January 2019. This doesn't include Europe or Asia which adopts newer technology faster. I agree that 1080p or even 1440p should be paramount along with tons of visual fidelity. But I can easily see a lot of people getting use out of the 4K features by next year holiday. It might even spur more 4k televisions having a major electronics device be pushing 4K especially as Neo will be doing the same.

 

[DirtyLarry]

Think I'm done with the XBox myself if they continue cross play with all their exclusives. I'd rather invest the money towards a PC I can update when I choose, not when they do. There is of course the convenience and couch focus that I have always enjoyed the consoles for, but the lines of console and PC are blurring more and more and since that is the case I'll go with PC myself, but we will see. We will see.

 

[AmyS]

2017:

6 TFLOPS

2011-2012

The Samaritan demo almost looks mundane now. Scorpio should be able to run full games with graphic fidelity like that, and better, at true 4K resolution - at 30fps or 60fps, depending on their target performance vs. visuals. And assuming devs are allowed to use whatever resolutions they want between 1080p and 2160p/4K, Scorpio should be able to blow Samaritan visuals out of the water at 1080p 60fps.

 

[Klocker]

I just hope that they have a way to speak to Cortana without a headset. Needs to have a mic array built in to controller or console

 

[SOR5]

I just hope that they have a way to speak to Cortana without a headset. Needs to have a mic array built in to controller or console

I could see them doing an Amazon Echo style device actually

 

[harSon]

What are the rumors looking like for native Oculus Rift support on the Scorpio? I have an Oculus Rift CV1 that was shipped and delivered after I forgot to cancel my order. I was going to send it back, but I'd keep it if there was a realistic chance of native support with an XB1.

 

[nekkid]

2017:

6 TFLOPS


2011-2012

The Samaritan demo almost looks mundane now. Scorpio should be able to run full games with graphic fidelity like that, and better, at true 4K resolution - at 30fps or 60fps, depending on their target performance vs. visuals. And assuming devs are allowed to use whatever resolutions they want between 1080p and 2160p/4K, Scorpio should be able to blow Samaritan visuals out of the water at 1080p 60fps.

There's not many devs with the resources or funding to do that, though.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I've been out of the loop because of what happened in Orlando because it is gay pride here in LA, but will this have mouse and keyboard controls? Or a game pad?

 

[wachie]

snip

So how do you feel now Amy? Still feeling HBM?

 

[Proelite]

So how do you feel now Amy? Still feeling HBM?

HBM2 or GDDR5x is probably still up the in air. Mostly likely to be GDDR5x. The amount of ram is still in flux.

Seems like 6 tflop is the only baseline targeted. The bandwidth is stated to be over 320gb/s.

I know the mobo in the video had 16 memory chips, but I think everything about that video is a place holder.

 

[wachie]

HBM2 or GDDR5x is probably still up the in air. Mostly likely to be GDDR5x. The amount of ram is still in flux.

Seems like 6 tflop is the only baseline targeted. The bandwidth is stated to be over 320gb/s.

I know the mobo in the video had 16 memory chips, but I think everything about that video is a place holder.

If it was indeed HBM2 then we would have seen higher numbers. You can't use 512b wide bus and clock it intentionally very low at 650MHz or if they go with 384b or 320b wide bus width then they end up 6 or 12GB or do some memory mapping which isn't clean.

I'm also dropping Zen from my expectations.

Microsoft needs to hit that magical $399 number next fall.

 

[Dinky Dino]

Decent Scorpio interview, good read. That reply on PS4 Neo was crazy spin lol

http://www.windowscentral.com/interview-dave-mccarthy-xbox-product-manager

Man that didn't answer anything other than "we announced it early so devs gets a head up." Either they know for sure sony is locked in and can't admit how they know or they have no idea and are confident.

 

[hooijdonk17]

EDIT: Wrong thread. Regardless, so the XBONE is a PC-lite now..

 

[El_Chino]

If it was indeed HBM2 then we would have seen higher numbers. You can't use 512b wide bus and clock it intentionally very low at 650MHz or if they go with 384b or 320b wide bus width then they end up 6 or 12GB or do some memory mapping which isn't clean.

I'm also dropping Zen from my expectations.

Microsoft needs to hit that magical $399 number next fall.

I think Zen is in for fall of 2017.

Please remember MS/Sony/Nintendo do not pay consumer prices.

eg. UHD Blu Ray in the Xbox One S. That's $400 standalone.

 

[SOR5]

EDIT: Wrong thread. Regardless, so the XBONE is a PC-lite now..

Thats been the point since November 15 2001 friend

 

[hooijdonk17]

Thats been the point since November 15 2001 friend

It was the plan, but not the thing. It is now becoming the thing.. which kind of explains why I never really bothered with an Xbone this generation. MS have been rubbing me in all the wrong ways.

 

[AmyS]

So how do you feel now Amy? Still feeling HBM?

HBM / HBM2: Nope. GDDR5-X most likely.

Zen CPU: Yes

 

[wachie]

I think Zen is in for fall of 2017.

Please remember MS/Sony/Nintendo do not pay consumer prices.

eg. UHD Blu Ray in the Xbox One S. That's $400 standalone.

I'm not basing that (removing Zen) on consumer prices. I'm well aware how vendor mass pricing works.

I was expecting 4 Zen cores but they explicitly said "8 cores". I was also expecting 5.6TFlops with Zen cores making up the rest and they announced that the GPU alone is 6TFlops.

 

[El_Chino]

I'm not basing that (removing Zen) on consumer prices. I'm well aware how vendor mass pricing works.

I was expecting 4 Zen cores but they explicitly said "8 cores". I was also expecting 5.6TFlops with Zen cores making up the rest and they announced that the GPU alone is 6TFlops.

That removes Zen out of your equation for what reason? Legitimately asking.

 

[Nodnol]

I'm still not totally comfortable with how the console market is going to be defined going forward. I've spent 20+ years buying the "next" console and then enjoying that until the one after comes out.

The best way I can make sense of it, I think, is to look at it from a smartphone/tablet perspective. Every iteration of the iPhone plays games from the same library, but with better performance on newer devices and obviously limitations with the newest games, whilst the iPad can offer the same experience, but then also offers a few different choices on top. Something like that, right?

So my concerns would be, what's the shelf life of current consoles, and more importantly, what's the expected shelf life for the Neo/Scorpio? Shorter "generations", but with a far blurrier market, so does that mean new iterations more often? How sustainable a strategy is it to constantly pump out more and more powerful (expensive) consoles?

It doesn't put me off the latest developments, but that price point sure is important to me.

 

[Rourkey]

I'm all over this only question is whether to get the S in the interim so I can start building my UHD collection

 

[wachie]

That removes Zen out of your equation for what reason? Legitimately asking.

The SoC (w 8 Zen cores) and 40 CUs could be in the 400-500sqmm range.

 

[Proelite]

If it was indeed HBM2 then we would have seen higher numbers. You can't use 512b wide bus and clock it intentionally very low at 650MHz or if they go with 384b or 320b wide bus width then they end up 6 or 12GB or do some memory mapping which isn't clean.

I'm also dropping Zen from my expectations.

Microsoft needs to hit that magical $399 number next fall.

If they're happy with xb1 launch numbers for Scorpio then they can release at $499. Although 6tf would be easily doable in a $399 console in 2017. I am more interested in the amount of ram, big difference in price between 8GB and 16GB console.

 

[Renekton]

The SoC (w 8 Zen cores) and 40 CUs could be in the 400-500sqmm range.

Zen cores can't be thaaaat big...

 

[hooijdonk17]

I'm not basing that (removing Zen) on consumer prices. I'm well aware how vendor mass pricing works.

I was expecting 4 Zen cores but they explicitly said "8 cores". I was also expecting 5.6TFlops with Zen cores making up the rest and they announced that the GPU alone is 6TFlops.

Remember that Zen has multithreading so they may have been doing marketspeak with 8 cores; it may be 4 cores and 8 threads, so they just said 8 cores for simplicity's sake (to lie, I mean.)

 

[El_Chino]

The SoC (w 8 Zen cores) and 40 CUs could be in the 400-500sqmm range.

Zen cores are that big??

 

[Cynn]

Can't wait to see what Turn10 could achieve with 6Tflops of power on their hands

/drools

Looking at the fucking miracles they pulled on the Xbox One, they would probably rip a hole in space and time with 6Tf.

 

[karasu]

No.... calling it $500 max.

Nah it's at least $100 a flop.

 

[EatinOlives]

I'm just not convinced at all about their "nobody gets left behind" shpiel. This to me sounds a lot like Nintendo's "the DS is our 3rd pillar, guys! We're still totally on board with the GBA!", and once the DS took off they were like "what are you talking about, third pillar what? Sorry you must've got the wrong idea".

You better believe that if the Scorpio launches and is successful, that they'll ditch the XB1 in record time. If Scorpio becomes the budding new prospect for the Xbox brand they'll have no reason to have the XB1 hold it back.

That's why I'm still highly skeptical of Microsoft's promise that this isn't just an excuse to get themselves a do-over and ditch their mistake.

 

[Hawk269]

I think Zen is in for fall of 2017.

Please remember MS/Sony/Nintendo do not pay consumer prices.

eg. UHD Blu Ray in the Xbox One S. That's $400 standalone.

That is for the 2TB version. They have a Xbox One S with a 500gb HDD for $299.00, 1TB Version for $349.99 and the 2TB version. All have the same functions, just different HDD size.

 

[El_Chino]

That is for the 2TB version. They have a Xbox One S with a 500gb HDD for $299.00, 1TB Version for $349.99 and the 2TB version. All have the same functions, just different HDD size.

I meant a standalone UHD Blu ray drive is $400

 

[AmyS]

I'm thinking 44 CUs.

I'm not sure if there's complete specs on Polaris10 / RX480 yet so here's the configuration of R9 290X (Hawaii XT) and R9 390X (Grenada XT).

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2460/radeon-r9-290x
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2663/radeon-r9-390x

 

[...Scatter...]

Nah it's at least $100 a flop.

Tell that to the 480

 

[c0de]

I meant a standalone UHD Blu ray drive is $400

No, that's the price of the player, not the drive.

 

[Theonik]

If MS plans to use a blower fan as shown in the sneak peak video, then Scorpio is going to be as loud as the current PS4 design.

I don't like that.

Goodbye whisper quiet performance.

Something like the 480 is about 100-150W in power. If MS doesn't wish to downclock it like Sony appears to be doing, and stick it on a console APU that thing is going to hot/loud as hell with Zen on top of that. I think splitting the chips probably makes the most sense at this point if they are reaching for performance but these decisions will reflect on cost.

 

[Norwegian_Imposter]

they have a year to not mess up the messaging to this device. Judging by it already they aren't doing a great job with regards to will there be a scorpio specific game. I believe its been clarified now but it still seems ripe for being messed up.

 

[El_Chino]

No, that's the price of the player, not the drive.

I'm confused. Is there much of a difference?

 

[c0de]

I'm confused. Is there much of a difference?

Ehm, of course? Asics for decode, HDMI, audio chips, manufacturing, licenses, R&D, marketing...

 

[wachie]

Remember that Zen has multithreading so they may have been doing marketspeak with 8 cores; it may be 4 cores and 8 threads, so they just said 8 cores for simplicity's sake (to lie, I mean.)

For once, I'm trusting MS on face value.

Zen cores are that big??

Zen cores are bigger, I'll try to find exact figure plus Zen cores have larger L caches. A full Zen 4 core should be 200-250 sqmm, so you remove some logic or trim and figure you could get it down but its still quite a bit bigger than Jaguar.

 

[martino]

Zen = CPU
GPU = Vega?

MS bringing the big Guns

They probably will also bring the big price imo.

 

[Compsiox]

I'm so glad the doubters were wrong

 

[Proelite]

I'm so glad the doubters were wrong

You were wrong about the release date. There was also very few if any doubters about Scorpio specs.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Revealing it this early and with almost no information makes no sense to me. How would this not cannibalize Xbox One sales in the coming 18 months?

 

[Psyrgery ES]

Has the question of ESRAM been brought up in this thread? Since Scorpio will be backwards-compatible with the Xbone I guess it will have the same 32mb Esram pool along with the new specs, right?

 

[nekkid]

Revealing it this early and with almost no information makes no sense to me. How would this not cannibalize Xbox One sales in the coming 18 months?

If you're in the market for a console now, you're unlikely to wait another 18 months. Also choice.

 

[nekkid]

Has the question of ESRAM been brought up in this thread? Since Scorpio will be backwards-compatible with the Xbone I guess it will have the same 32mb Esram pool along with the new specs, right?

I'm interested in this, also.

 

[ekim]

I'll drop this here:
The original Xbox One will get another price drop to $279 today.