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[Tak3n]

So Neo Gafs opinion

do we believe him that his benefit reforms wont be veto'd?..... 'he was told they wont be'.... was his quote in this question time

and what happens if a country vetoes them, does it not then make the referendum null and void?

 

[ferrasvansen]

So Neo Gafs opinion

do we believe him that his benefit reforms wont be veto'd as he says he was told they wont be....

and what happens if a country vetoes them, does it not then make the referendum null and void?

They won't be veto'd that would be the EU committing suicide, would ensure referendum was rerun and likely spawn referendums in Netherlands and other countries.

 

[Azoor]

I posted these videos earlier. The EU research fund is only one part of the issue. EU brings with it other advantages that surpass the funding by a huge amount. It breaks unnecessary bureaucracy of building beneficial collaborations for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHPot8k4h0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfef9oKDz80

Holy hell, that would heavily damage the research institutions.

 

[Tak3n]

They won't be veto'd that would be the EU committing suicide, would ensure referendum was rerun and likely spawn referendums in Netherlands and other countries.

yeah but this quote does not feel you with confidence

Mr Cameron says he confident his benefit curbs on EU migrants will come into law because other EU leaders have said they will not veto them.

surely he should of set it in stone, and also he got 4 years, so i dont know how he is claiming 2028

 

[D4Danger]

They won't be veto'd that would be the EU committing suicide, would ensure referendum was rerun and likely spawn referendums in Netherlands and other countries.

Exactly. If they did that we'd just have another referendum and it would be a landslide to leave. It's not happening.

 

[ferrasvansen]

yeah but this quote does not feel you with confidence



surely he should of set it in stone, and also he got 4 years, so i dont know how he is claiming 2028

No he just isn't taking anything for granted but he knows he has the EU over a barrel here, they veto him they risk the future of the EU and the country which vetoed would he singled out for some huge criticism.

 

[Beefy]

If they veto it would be a disaster.

 

[liquidtmd]

https://m.facebook.com/martin.fletcher.3998/posts/10154422902371062

Interesting.

Another guy trying to squander away this debate by trying to frame and hang each side on the power of personality.

Its apparent he doesn't like Boris is what this tells me.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Another guy trying to squanader away this debate by trying to frame and hang each side on the power of personality.

Its apparent he doesn't like Boris is what this tells me.

Thing is even his friends wrote some very critical pieces at the start of the campaign, he is a political chancer just like Trump and a lot of folk are realising this day by day. Just a while back he was utterly pro Turkey into EU, outspoken about it and now he is totally against it. Sure people change minds but to go from one extreme to the other reeks of opportunism to me.

 

[Ashes]

Not a Brit, but doesn't the UK benefit greatly from the EU research fund ? If the UK exited the EU wouldn't that negatively affect them ?

Most of my reasons for voting Remain are based on rational reasons; but this is one of my more emotionally invested ones. Take this letter for instance to The Times:

"Sir, Working in Great Ormond Street, hospital, the UK’s leading children’s research hospital, puts us in a unique position to experience first-hand the benefits that EU membership brings.

Paediatric research is severely underfunded, attracting only 5 per cent of UK funding every year. Many crucial trials bringing revolutionary medicine, such as gene therapy, to the country’s sickest children are dependent on EU funding. At Great Ormond Street, with its research partner the UCL Institute of Child Health, 44 such research projects are in train. If we leave the EU, delays and uncertainty around this financial support could place our research...."

source.


I want to repeat one sentence. Research into children's health attracts only 5% of UK funding. My own personal view is that this is because unless its vaccination [which pharma giants tend to separate to its own area], there's not a lot of money to be made here.

It's like those crappy environmental legislations; it might not make you money, but it's the right thing to do.

The other thing is that I get that we might be okay economically in ten years [heck best case scenario, we'll get there sooner], but to get there, we potentially set back paediatric research in the UK a decade. And not only that potentially these researchers will have gone elsewhere in the world. If I understand it correctly, if you don't get funding you don't have a job.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Most of my reasons for voting Remain are based on rational reasons; but this is one of my more emotionally invested ones. Take this letter for instance to The Times:

"Sir, Working in Great Ormond Street, hospital, the UK’s leading children’s research hospital, puts us in a unique position to experience first-hand the benefits that EU membership brings.

Paediatric research is severely underfunded, attracting only 5 per cent of UK funding every year. Many crucial trials bringing revolutionary medicine, such as gene therapy, to the country’s sickest children are dependent on EU funding. At Great Ormond Street, with its research partner the UCL Institute of Child Health, 44 such research projects are in train. If we leave the EU, delays and uncertainty around this financial support could place our research...."

source.


I want to repeat one sentence. Research into children's health attracts only 5% of UK funding. My own personal view is that this is because unless its vaccination [which pharma giants tend to separate to its own area], there's not a lot of money to be made here.

It's like those crappy environmental legislations; it might not make you money, but it's the right thing to do.

The other thing is that I get that we might be okay economically in ten years [heck best case scenario, we'll get there sooner], but to get there, we potentially set back paediatric research in the UK a decade. And not only that potentially these researchers will have gone elsewhere in the world. If I understand it correctly, if you don't get funding you don't have a job.

Britain's place as a leader in scientific research and especially medicine would be damaged beyond repair hence why so many scientists are in a panic, I suspect there will be a major brain drain if this happened, way worse than it is at the moment as European researchers take advantage of redirected funds.

 

[Tak3n]

interesting that Cameron initially went after workers rights, but bailed, wonder what the polls would of been had workers rights been going no matter what

Working Time Directive - EU regulations

Pledge

“For example, it is neither right nor necessary to claim that the integrity of the single market, or full membership of the European Union requires the working hours of British hospital doctors to be set in Brussels irrespective of the views of British parliamentarians and practitioners.

“In the same way we need to examine whether the balance is right in so many areas where the European Union has legislated including on the environment, social affairs and crime.” - David Cameron in his January 2013 Bloomberg speech

What he got

Draft deal: Nothing. Mr Cameron decided last August not to demand a full exclusion for the UK from EU employment directives after Labour and the trades unions made clear they would not support an EU renegotiation that included opting out of the Working Time Directive.

 

[Par Score]

interesting that Cameron initially went after workers rights, but bailed, wonder what the polls would of been had workers rights been going no matter what

I'm very solidly Remain.

If WTD or other workers rights had been part of the negotiations or part of a deal to keep us in, I'd be voting for Leave, because I couldn't vote in favour of stripping workers rights.

 

[Tak3n]

sums my feelings up perfectly...

Remain or Leave, Cameron has divided a nation, and he will rightly be remembered as such

The defining question of this campaign will not just be whether Britain can survive economically in or outside the EU but whether the wounds can ever be healed.

This threatens to be Cameron’s legacy: the man who divided a nation.

David Cameron faced two challenges last night: to try to win the EU referendum and to try to rescue his credibility.

The man who left all in his wake in the general election now struggles to get people to believe a word he says.

Repeatedly he reached for the comfort blanket of the “experts” - the alphabet soup of the IFS, IMF,OECD and the BoE - to reassure people of his argument, as if to say: “Don’t take my word for it, I’m only the Prime Minister.”

It took a question on immigration to shake the fear from the PM.

When goaded that he was another Neville Chamberlain who had appeased the “dictatorship” of Brussels, he came to life.
For the first time he said his stock phrase of the campaign “we are not quitters” with real passion.

Did he change any minds?

The Prime Minister did not trip over his shoe laces, punch a member of the audience or unleash a torrent of four-letter words.

In that respect it was a success.

But neither did he deliver a decisive performance that sealed a win for Remain.

Perhaps that was never possible.

 

[DrFurbs]

The real advantage to being in the EU for research isn't really so much to do with the funding as much as how easy being part of the EU makes collaborative works between groups and labs across the continent.

I don't undestand. I collaborate with many people across the globe. How's does being in the EU make it easier? I don't actually need the EU to collaborate with my partners in the US.

 

[Jasup]

interesting that Cameron initially went after workers rights, but bailed, wonder what the polls would of been had workers rights been going no matter what

This is as good time as any to check the Working Time Directive, initially Cameron wanted to get out of this:

Working Time Directive

To protect workers’ health and safety, working hours must meet minimum standards applicable throughout the EU.

The EU’s Working Time Directive (2003/88/EC) requires EU countries to guarantee the following rights for all workers:

• a limit to weekly working hours, which must not exceed 48 hours on average, including any overtime
• a minimum daily rest period of 11 consecutive hours in every 24
• a rest break during working hours if the worker is on duty for longer than 6 hours
• a minimum weekly rest period of 24 uninterrupted hours for each 7-day period, in addition to the 11 hours' daily rest
• paid annual leave of at least 4 weeks per year
• extra protection for night work, e.g.
• average working hours must not exceed 8 hours per 24-hour period,
• night workers must not perform heavy or dangerous work for longer than 8 hours in any 24-hour period,
• night workers have the right to free health assessments and, under certain circumstances, to transfer to day work.

The Directive also sets out special rules on working hours for workers in a limited number of sectors, including doctors in training, offshore workers, sea fishing workers and people working in urban passenger transport. (There are separate directives on working hours for certain workers in specific transport sectors.)

source

Well, he's a Tory after all.
Personally I think it's a good thing EU has this regulation as removing it would basically result in race to the bottom.

edit: note that the employees can agree to work longer hours and such, it's just that the employers can't force them.

 

[phisheep]

sums my feelings up perfectly...

Remain or Leave, Cameron has divided a nation, and he will rightly be remembered as such

I think I'd put a different spin on that. The nation, and perhaps more pertinently the Conservative Party, was already divided - we'll find out just how much on Friday. And I can't see it is necessarily a bad thing to bring such divisions out into the open. (In a similar vein, the thing I most liked about the previous coalition government as it brought many of the in-government disagreements out into the open).

As to how Cameron will be remembered, I think it depends on the outcome and, importantly, the aftermath. We'll have to wait and see for that.

 

[Jezbollah]

Tak3n, you don't really like the Prime Minister, do you?

 

[Tak3n]

Tak3n, you don't really like the Prime Minister, do you?

I voted Tories (mainly because I have a good relationship with my local MP) but Cameron just never answers anything, I get so frustrated, I just want honest answers... if he had come back from the EU negotiations and said it was hard, he did not get what he wants but he is still happy....

But he does not, he claims what he asked for he got and Britain is special

 

[pgtl_10]

Even if Remain wins I think the EU is on its way to a gradual breakup.

 

[Maztorre]

Another guy trying to squander away this debate by trying to frame and hang each side on the power of personality.

Its apparent he doesn't like Boris is what this tells me.

Right, it should be of no concern that the leader of the Leave campaign was lying and scaremongering about the EU during his tenure at a national newspaper.

 

[Tak3n]

Even if Remain wins I think the EU is on its way to a gradual breakup.

Politico wrote a article where they refused FOI on the companies lobbying government on the referendum, they were also refused this info from the EU commission as well

 

[liquidtmd]

Right, it should be of no concern that the leader of the Leave campaign was lying and scaremongering about the EU during his tenure at a national newspaper.

I hear you but at this point...yeah it should be of no concern.

Im so sick at this point of both sides saying 'WELL LOOK AT SO AND SO ON THEIR CAMPAIGN, THEY ARE DICKS'.

I get it though why it may be, but personally I've had enough

 

[Tak3n]

Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum

might be coincidence, might be planned


Fresh Plans for an EU Army
A secret paper on “foreign and security policy”, which pushes to expand the EU’s defence capability, is being kept under wraps until June 24 – the day after Britain decides.

Scheme to Hand Out 1million UK Visas to Turks
Turkish accession to the EU has become a flashpoint in the referendum, bringing with it the prospect of even more mass migration to the UK.

Ruling on Muzzling British Anti-Terror Police
The European Court of Justice has been sitting on a ruling on the so-called Snooper’s Charter, which could hobble plans to give police more powers.

Danish judge Claus Christian Gulmann was due to give a ruling in April, but kicked his decision back until July – just a few weeks after the vote.

Demands for Even More Cash
Proposals for the EU’s 2017 budget were due in late May, but have been suspiciously punted back a month.

Inevitably, the plan will be to spend even more of member states’ public money.

Banning Kettles and Hairdryers
The European Commission’s “Ecodesign Directive” demands that electrical appliances use less energy, in a bid to make Europe more green.

In their sights are kettles and hairdryers, which could be made much less effective in order to fulfill requirements – in the way that high-powered light bulbs have already been phased out.


Hiking VAT on Food, Medicine and Kids’ Clothes
This January the EU’s economics commissioner announced a review of VAT across Europe.

EU rules say that member states must charge at least 5% on everything – a rule which conflicts with UK policy to charge no VAT on essentials like food, medicine and children’s clothing.


Suffocating London’s Art Market
Another European Commission plan is to slap extra licensing laws on art dealers.

London art dealers warned that the extra burden would lose them masses of business to other major cities like New York and Geneva, which wouldn’t have to bother.

 

[phisheep]

Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum

might be coincidence, might be planned


Fresh Plans for an EU Army
A secret paper on “foreign and security policy”, which pushes to expand the EU’s defence capability, is being kept under wraps until June 24 – the day after Britain decides.

Scheme to Hand Out 1million UK Visas to Turks
Turkish accession to the EU has become a flashpoint in the referendum, bringing with it the prospect of even more mass migration to the UK.

Ruling on Muzzling British Anti-Terror Police
The European Court of Justice has been sitting on a ruling on the so-called Snooper’s Charter, which could hobble plans to give police more powers.

Danish judge Claus Christian Gulmann was due to give a ruling in April, but kicked his decision back until July – just a few weeks after the vote.

Demands for Even More Cash
Proposals for the EU’s 2017 budget were due in late May, but have been suspiciously punted back a month.

Inevitably, the plan will be to spend even more of member states’ public money.

Banning Kettles and Hairdryers
The European Commission’s “Ecodesign Directive” demands that electrical appliances use less energy, in a bid to make Europe more green.

In their sights are kettles and hairdryers, which could be made much less effective in order to fulfill requirements – in the way that high-powered light bulbs have already been phased out.


Hiking VAT on Food, Medicine and Kids’ Clothes
This January the EU’s economics commissioner announced a review of VAT across Europe.

EU rules say that member states must charge at least 5% on everything – a rule which conflicts with UK policy to charge no VAT on essentials like food, medicine and children’s clothing.


Suffocating London’s Art Market
Another European Commission plan is to slap extra licensing laws on art dealers.

London art dealers warned that the extra burden would lose them masses of business to other major cities like New York and Geneva, which wouldn’t have to bother.

Might be completely made up. Do you have a source for this?

Look really, I'm not having a go at you, but that is pretty provocative stuff to post up without any source or attribution at all.

 

[Par Score]

Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum

Tak3n, where do you get this shit, and could you leave it there in future?

You post more un-sourced total bollocks than the rest of the posters in here put together.

 

[TeddyBoy]

...Fresh Plans for an EU Army
A secret paper on “foreign and security policy”, which pushes to expand the EU’s defence capability, is being kept under wraps until June 24 – the day after Britain decides.
...

I'd be quite happy with this, the current form of the EU armed forces is pretty much a joke so if they're going to have one they should at least make it respectable.

 

[havaska]

Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum

might be coincidence, might be planned


Fresh Plans for an EU Army
A secret paper on “foreign and security policy”, which pushes to expand the EU’s defence capability, is being kept under wraps until June 24 – the day after Britain decides.

Scheme to Hand Out 1million UK Visas to Turks
Turkish accession to the EU has become a flashpoint in the referendum, bringing with it the prospect of even more mass migration to the UK.

Ruling on Muzzling British Anti-Terror Police
The European Court of Justice has been sitting on a ruling on the so-called Snooper’s Charter, which could hobble plans to give police more powers.

Danish judge Claus Christian Gulmann was due to give a ruling in April, but kicked his decision back until July – just a few weeks after the vote.

Demands for Even More Cash
Proposals for the EU’s 2017 budget were due in late May, but have been suspiciously punted back a month.

Inevitably, the plan will be to spend even more of member states’ public money.

Banning Kettles and Hairdryers
The European Commission’s “Ecodesign Directive” demands that electrical appliances use less energy, in a bid to make Europe more green.

In their sights are kettles and hairdryers, which could be made much less effective in order to fulfill requirements – in the way that high-powered light bulbs have already been phased out.


Hiking VAT on Food, Medicine and Kids’ Clothes
This January the EU’s economics commissioner announced a review of VAT across Europe.

EU rules say that member states must charge at least 5% on everything – a rule which conflicts with UK policy to charge no VAT on essentials like food, medicine and children’s clothing.


Suffocating London’s Art Market
Another European Commission plan is to slap extra licensing laws on art dealers.

London art dealers warned that the extra burden would lose them masses of business to other major cities like New York and Geneva, which wouldn’t have to bother.

Do you have a source for this?

Also, some things like the Ecodesign Directive are a good idea so I don't see why making hairdryers and kettles more efficient is a bad thing? Just look at vacuum cleaners - they use far less energy now but are more powerful then ever.

Also, the EU can't hand out UK visas - only the UK can do that.

And I'd also suggest the UK can veto VAT changes.

 

[Number45]

The headlines certainly are bait. Banning kettles and hairdryers? The EU army thing and the Turkish visas (exactly how can the EU hand those out anyway?) have been a topic for a while now.

My guess is someone summing up the most damaging rumours and hoping for the best.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Might be completely made up. Do you have a source for this?

Look really, I'm not having a go at you, but that is pretty provocative stuff to post up without any source or attribution at all.

https://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

EU army. Good thing, about time. Europe has been skipping out on defense for way too long and should contribute more.

Last I checked the Turkey deal with refugees was not going through and there are issues on both sides. Not too worried.

Anti-Terror stuff seems to be related to privacy. Don't know too much about it.

For the budget: "Officials told The Times that budget plans included spending increases to deal with Europe’s migration crisis, to meet shortfalls in payments to regional projects and to pay for security"

Banning Kettles and Hairdryers - What's the problem here, electronics should become more green and use less energy.

About VAT - " Britain would have veto on any proposal to do away with exemptions"

For the art - "Their concerns were sparked by a survey ordered by the European Commission as part of efforts to fight the illicit trafficking of stolen antiquities and masterpieces, originating from war-torn countries such as Syria and Iraq."

What are the big issues here?

 

[PJV3]

If I have to walk around with damp hair using the microwave to make tea, I won't be happy.

 

[ferrasvansen]

https://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

That is louise mensch website with known fascist leanings and conspiracy theories with zero credibility.

 

[Number45]

That is louise mensch website with known fascist leanings and conspiracy theories with zero credibility.

So easy to tout this shit and tell everyone that it's due to come in the day after the referendum... after which point it will make no difference when people realise it was all lies/unfounded rumour.

 

[Hasney]

https://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

LMAO, the first part of the EU Army source is a Nigel Farage tweet sourcing Nigel Farage in a video, second is more Vote Leave bullshit and then to cap it off, there's just some tabloid front pages. No wonder tak3n linked no source, there basically isn't one!

 

[Pandy]

Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum

might be coincidence, might be planned

Firstly, most of that sounds like good shit.

Secondly, Cameron and Co. chose the timeline for the referendum. While he may have tried to time it in a way that suited his plans, 'the EU' has hidden nothing based on the timing of the UK referendum.

So much bullshit spin going around, the next few days is going to be a nightmare.

 

[Jackpot]

I found Tak3n's source.

https://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

Heat Street? Who they?

They're the fucking source of that bullshit "Justice First!" Jo Cox story that Mensch and Britain First are retweeting.

https://heatst.com/uk/justice-first...killer-should-not-be-discussed-in-parliament/

Let us get this absolutely straight. Thomas Mair was severely mentally ill – and he may well, therefore, have had racist tendencies, which could be delusional.

But NOTHING thus far reported suggests that these are the “reasons” he killed poor Jo Cox, still less that the matter has ANYTHING WHATEVER to do with Brexit.

The speculation everywhere, fuelled by prejudicial police leaks to the Guardian, is that, as the BBC reported, Mair shouted “Britain First!” and then attacked the MP.

They have a dedicated Culture Wars sections for things like:

"Alligator Tragedy Fury as Feminist Blames Toddler Gator Death on "White Privilege""

"Exclusive: BBC Suppressed Report Of 'Sex Assault' Of 14-Year-Old By 'Syrian Gang'"

"Hack Check No, New York Times, the Bible Doesn't Call for Executing Gays"

"Twitter Hitter Milo Yiannopoulos Slams Twitter For Being 'Sharia-Compliant'"

"Meet "Trigglybro" Snowflake Freaks Out at Students Chanting 'USA'"

"Orlando Nightclub Shooting What the Quran Says About Gay People"

"Jumping the Shark SJWs Lobby Blake Lively In Half-Baked Salary Crusade"

They have FIVE Milo Yiannopoulos stories just on the one page. What the fuck is wrong with you? I guess the mask slipped.

 

[phisheep]

LMAO, the first part of the EU Army source is a Nigel Farage tweet sourcing Nigel Farage in a video, second is more Vote Leave bullshit and then to cap it off, there's just some tabloid front pages. No wonder tak3n linked no source, there basically isn't one!

Quite. And really, the "secret plans" can't be very secret if Nigel Fucking Farage knows about them, can they?

 

[OverBlood 3]

Louise Mensch's site nvm someone already said

Knew there was something up with that Tak3n boy.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Quite. And really, the "secret plans" can't be very secret if Nigel Fucking Farage knows about them, can they?

He's an MEP! He's a part of the EU machine!

 

[PJV3]

Is my kettle safe or not?
I thought we were dialing back the fear tactics.

 

[JonathanEx]

Satire alert!

As the unofficial bringer of broadcast satire to UKPoliGAF, I feel it's my duty to remind you the new series of Dead Ringers has started. It wasn't on Friday night for obvious reasons, but was back for the Saturday repeat:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07flhlm

Your other things to look out for this week...

• Power Monkeys, Wednesday 10pm, Friday 10pm (Catchup)
• Last Leg In/Last Leg Out, Friday 9pm (Catchup) *Their episode this week was well handled considering the news, so little EU stuff
• Dead Ringers, Friday 6:30pm (Catchup)
• The Vote Now Show: EU And Yours, was tonight at 7:15pm (Catchup)
• That Jack Dee show that I wasn't really bothered with (Catchup)

 

[Tak3n]

Sorry forgot the link.... Thx for finding it. I am not making these things up lol.... I thought most of those were known anyway

 

[Jackpot]

Sorry forgot the link.... Thx for finding it. I am not making these things up lol.... I thought most of those were known anyway

So no explanation for posting such fabrications from a hate-site?

 

[Tak3n]

I found Tak3n's source.

https://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

Heat Street? Who they?

They're the fucking source of that bullshit "Justice First!" Jo Cox story that Mensch and Britain First are retweeting.

https://heatst.com/uk/justice-first...killer-should-not-be-discussed-in-parliament/



They have a dedicated Culture Wars sections for things like:

"Alligator Tragedy Fury as Feminist Blames Toddler Gator Death on "White Privilege""

"Exclusive: BBC Suppressed Report Of 'Sex Assault' Of 14-Year-Old By 'Syrian Gang'"

"Hack Check No, New York Times, the Bible Doesn't Call for Executing Gays"

"Twitter Hitter Milo Yiannopoulos Slams Twitter For Being 'Sharia-Compliant'"

"Meet "Trigglybro" Snowflake Freaks Out at Students Chanting 'USA'"

"Orlando Nightclub Shooting What the Quran Says About Gay People"

"Jumping the Shark SJWs Lobby Blake Lively In Half-Baked Salary Crusade"

They have FIVE Milo Yiannopoulos stories just on the one page. What the fuck is wrong with you? I guess the mask slipped.

No mask, I just found the website. I did not think any of those things were that bad. Apart from vat and the visa

 

[Oblong Schlong]

It's exasperating, Taken posts endless nonsense and then retreats with a 'Ooh I don't know, but isn't it interesting' when it's pointed out that he's copy pasting a load of shit.

Once would be fine, twice a tad annoying, but it is constant, repetitive and unwavering. He does not learn from your helpful critiques, he just goes off to find more bilge (normally obscure, always right wing) to post without a filter.

I don't like being so direct but it really damages the discourse here and I think much of it is disingenuous.

 

[Tak3n]

So no explanation for posting such fabrications from a hate-site?

I do Not have one I was on a website about polls that link that one.... I did not investigate them...as I said I think most of those measures are known about are they not?

 

[Tak3n]

It's exasperating, Taken posts endless nonsense and then retreats with a 'Ooh I don't know, but isn't it interesting' when it's pointed out that he's copy pasting a load of shit.

Once would be fine, twice a tad annoying, but it is constant, repetitive and unwavering. He does not learn from your helpful critiques, he just goes off to find more bilge (normally obscure, always right wing) to post without a filter.

I don't like being so direct but it really damages the discourse here and I think much of it is disingenuous.

All of those things are not surprises, so not sure why you call it a load of shit...are you saying none of those things are happening, as that is essentially what you are saying

 

[theaface]

It's exasperating, Taken posts endless nonsense and then retreats with a 'Ooh I don't know, but isn't it interesting' when it's pointed out that he's copy pasting a load of shit.

Once would be fine, twice a tad annoying, but it is constant, repetitive and unwavering. He does not learn from your helpful critiques, he just goes off to find more bilge (normally obscure, always right wing) to post without a filter.

I don't like being so direct but it really damages the discourse here and I think much of it is disingenuous.

Nail on the head. I called him out on it yesterday and he's doubled down on it since. Always the same: "This seems interesting..." or "What does GAF think about this...?", knowing full well that it's 95% nonsense without credible sources.

Enough please, Tak3n. No one minds if you're pro-leave, even if they disagree with you. But this transparent attempt to subvert the conversation through misinformation has run its course.

 

[Tak3n]

Nail on the head. I called him out on it yesterday and he's doubled down on it since. Always the same: "This seems interesting..." or "What does GAF think about this...?", knowing full well that it's 95% nonsense without credible sources.

Enough please, Tak3n. No one minds if you're pro-leave, even if they disagree with you. But this transparent attempt to subvert the conversation through misinformation has run its course.

No worries....

 

[PJV3]

I didn't realise Mensch was on the Murdoch payroll, I now look back on her time on the parliamentary committee interviewing him in a different light.