I always thought she was a popular MP, clearly not popular on here though
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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I always thought she was a popular MP, clearly not popular on here though
Oblong Schlong
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Nah, read better.
You posted a list of things happening, or maybe happening, after June 23rd (like your next birthday, those scheming eurocrats!) with language that suggests it's a big sneaky conspiracy.
It comes from a website that is suspect as hell but of course, poor little you had no idea it was so crazy. You claimed not to know the source (2 seconds to check in browser history) but someone else had to call you out on it.
Your whole MO is playing dumb, posting a stream of rubbish whilst acting naive to maintain plausible deniability- like this post of yours above.
I'm saying that it's transparent, others see through it too, and asking you to either spare us the next turd your keyboard produces, or to at least cover your tracks better...
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Right, Tak3n, lets just look at this one in a bit more detail - to show why you really should look a bit more critically at what you are posting. Here's a couple of sources for starters. There are plenty more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...l-increase-risk-of-terrorist-attacks-eu-repo/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/672030/TURKEY-DEAL-Visa-free-EU-deadlock
First of all, you posted this under the heading "Everything the EU Is Hiding Until After the Referendum", but as you can see from the sources above, it was perfectly in the open already, and the deal was reported as being in trouble as long as a month ago.
Second, the words you quoted above suggest that this is to do with Turkey's accession to the EU. It isn't, it is to do with the current Syrian refugee crisis and the two are pretty well independent. Turkey's accession to the EU is probably decades away, and the suggestion of mass immigration in the near future is way off the mark.
Third, you said (yes, I know you just copied-and-pasted it, but without attribution you said it) that it is a "Scheme to Hand Out 1million UK Visas to Turks". It isn't. It is - or was - a scheme to allow visa-free travel (not to "hand out visas") to the Schengen area (not the UK) for a limited period of up to 90 days (so nothing at all to do with immigration, let alone mass immigration, let alone imminent mass immigration).
So basically what you posted about this was untrue.
I know you've been told to be careful about this stuff before, and I know you feel you want to be able to debate things - and that's fair enough. But it really isn't fair to expect the rest of us to do the basic research to establish the credibility of what you are posting.
And, if the rest of us do do the research and respond to you about it, then it's really not fair to complain that we are piling on you when it is entirely your own fault.
Camp Freddie
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No it's ok. Bojo and Gove will spend that 350 million a week on more research. It's not like they've mentioned any other plans for that money.
/s
Seriously, government research funds were the first thing to go in austerity. It's really hard for a government to spend money on 'blue sky' research when they are making cuts to hospitals and other public services.
I went to an annual scientific conference organised by a government agency to discuss their research. Or that's what it used to be. Now there's practically no research being funded by the government so it's a conference about the government's moral support for some industry-funded/continental-academic research projects.
It may be cancelled next year because UK gov won't cover the buffet lunch bill. That's actually serious (in practice, the industry will find some way to fund it - assuming we can argue that bringing some sandwiches will not be considered a bribe. And I'm not joking about that either). It's sad because the government scientists are good and dedicated public servants in a really shitty situation.
ferrasvansen
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That popularity is long gone, her outbursts and bouts of obscenities on twitter have eroded her fan base, especially the last few weeks. It was hilarious watching her trying to defend the indefensible and losing the rag when 90% of tweets disagreed with her, she has major anger issues no doubt because of her admitted drug usage which she said affected her brain.
So if they are maybe happening why not discuss it, I think most of those things are general knowledge, if the link was from a left leaning website it would be OK?
I would understand if they were pie in the sky stuff, but it is not....head in sand never solved anything.....Turkey stuff looks weak though
OverBlood 3
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What do you think about her?
The problem is that, as Phisheep has already established, some of the stuff in the list is definitely not happening.
I always liked her when she was a MP, and the last I heard she quit to be with her family....as I don't follow Twitter.
Fernando Fernandez
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Viewing Menschs twitter activity regularly certainly shapes opinions.
Her family= moving to America to earn shitloads of money working for Murdoch. Like Gove she is utterly corrupt and bought and paid for by Murdoch.
Oblong Schlong
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I heard you were involved in a conspiracy with clockwork Jewish soldiers and the rat men High Council. Waiting to hear from more sources but can we debate in the mean time?
Honestly mate who can say what's happening? Maybe you are clockwork yourself, maybe your son is a rat boy, I just reckon it's interesting to debate tbh but I guess I'll wait to hear what people say 'on here'.
I always thought I was a sceptic. But I think you beat me
It's hardly a matter of scepticism - like Gove, she worked for Murdoch before entering parliament, and immediately moved to work for him after leaving. At the same time, like Gove she has pushed projects in government that are to the benefit of Murdoch's interests.
It's not like Murdoch *hides* his sway over elected governements - he's proud of it!
They are not Jewish
Ok, I think it is best if I keep my links for anti EU stuff out, in reality I can't post anything that can not be shot down I suspect, but then neither can you remain voters. Because in reality no one knows what will happen after the referedum
I am probably the only person in this thread who dares to say I am out, other than fly by posters....so you guys win.....from now on only positive stuff how the utopian word of love and honey from me
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I'm entirely happy to discuss things Tak3n. And no, if these things were from a left-leaning website I wouldn't be happy with them either (I am very much a Conservative, as is well-known around these parts, but we're able to keep discussions mostly on an even keel here and in UK Poligaf because we concentrate on talking about stuff that is mostly not crap and do not (much!) try to bait each other).
I really don't think you've done enough to check whether these things are pure pie-in-the-sky stuff or not. I've shown you that the Turkey one is bad already. I'll go after one more for you maybe, but there is no way I am going to work my way down the whole list on the offchance there is a crumb worth discussing.
Every MP is lobbied....so I guess we should be glad he is so bravado about it
And yes I am well aware being lobbied is different to being paid
No, it's not safe, if you dare use it after the 23rd it will blow up
QuicheFontaine
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I think I've mentioned several times that I'm voting Leave?
People are just asking for a little due diligence here with the sources here mate, don't take it too personally.
Even on the Guardian it's not hard to find decent, measured, anti-EU writing. I'm pretty sure one of their regular op-ed contributors has declared herself voting "Leave" several times. The difference is that that writing rests on things other than scaremongering about immigration and overbearing EU diplomats.
Exterminieren
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Oh, do stop being so bloody precious. Nobody would have any problem with you posting pro-Leave stuff as long as it was well-sourced and reliable, but when you consistently dump any half-coherent, source-free garbage that even halfway backs up your opinion you drag the whole thread down with you. Remain or Leave, I'd rather you post nothing than gibberish.
JonathanEx
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Baroness Warsi to switch from Leave to Remain - the 'Breaking point' poster being a big reason, and accusing Gove of peddling lies:
Survey of the Polish, may surprise you that some would vote leave....
The looming possibility of Brexit has sparked fear and uncertainty among the nearly one million Poles living in the UK, according to what is believed to be the largest survey of the community.
Amid wider concern that the referendum debate has unleashed ugly feelings towards migrants and others, the research reveals that 40% of Poles in Britain are concerned about a potential increase in negative attitudes towards migrants after Brexit.
The survey carried out between 15 and 17 June among 5,878 Polish citizens living in the UK, and released to the Observer and two Polish media organisations gives a voice to a largely silent segment of Britains population who are unable to vote in the referendum but could be deeply affected by its outcome.
A majority of those polled 79.4% believe the UK should remain in the EU, with 16.5% saying they would vote Leave if they could. Most (83%) also see their long-term future in the UK but have concerns about the consequences of Brexit.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...has-led-to-a-backlash-against-migrants-survey
The looming possibility of Brexit has sparked fear and uncertainty among the nearly one million Poles living in the UK, according to what is believed to be the largest survey of the community.
Amid wider concern that the referendum debate has unleashed ugly feelings towards migrants and others, the research reveals that 40% of Poles in Britain are concerned about a potential increase in negative attitudes towards migrants after Brexit.
The survey carried out between 15 and 17 June among 5,878 Polish citizens living in the UK, and released to the Observer and two Polish media organisations gives a voice to a largely silent segment of Britains population who are unable to vote in the referendum but could be deeply affected by its outcome.
A majority of those polled 79.4% believe the UK should remain in the EU, with 16.5% saying they would vote Leave if they could. Most (83%) also see their long-term future in the UK but have concerns about the consequences of Brexit.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...has-led-to-a-backlash-against-migrants-survey
I'm for remain and don't want warsi. Idiot that couldn't get elected so was made a peer.Baroness Warsi to switch from Leave to Remain - the 'Breaking point' poster being a big reason, and accusing Gove of peddling lies:
Baroness Warsi to switch from Leave to Remain - the 'Breaking point' poster being a big reason, and accusing Gove of peddling lies:
Umm I think she is simply trying to get on the winning side
I'll tackle this a bit if you'll let me.
This isn't something kept in secret. Both the Common Foreign and Security Policy and within it the Common Security and Defence Policy have been in place for a long time already. This is no secret, it's cooperation framework between member countries. It's very clearly outlined in the Lisbon treaty, and has been debated about many times.
Now, there is the EU battlegroup, which is not a secret either. It's a 18 batallions, which is on standby (two at the time) in case of emergency or joint European operation. (Edited for accuracy)
This is only a secret if you haven't been paying attention. Really.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah I think she realises come Thursday status quo effect will mean a remain vote unless there are dramatic changes, it's pretty big though even though I dislike her she has a bit of a following.
PJV3
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Baroness Warsi to switch from Leave to Remain - the 'Breaking point' poster being a big reason, and accusing Gove of peddling lies:
Is she a leading Tory anymore?
Anyhow it's interesting that quite a lot of the Asian community were pro exit to open up the immigration process.
I imagine the recent events have shaken people.
Exterminieren
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Given Baroness Warsi's previous, very public stances, I can absolutely believe that she's being sincere if she's defected over Leave's flirtations with full-bore racism.
The surprising thing is that it took her so long to notice.
JonathanEx
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Possibly - but if she comes out swinging in the speech in the way the article suggests, that'll be an interesting narrative tomorrow. It'll be interesting to look back on this and see how much impact Farage had with 'Breaking Point'...
Exterminieren
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It's becoming very apparent that Thursday was a HUGE pivot point for the campaign as a whole, for one reason or another.
OverBlood 3
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What happens to this if we leave?
http://www.yhahsn.org.uk/wp-content...nding-for-2014-2020-for-NHS-organisations.pdf
http://www.yhahsn.org.uk/wp-content...nding-for-2014-2020-for-NHS-organisations.pdf
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Here we go again. Sources first:
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/...g-on-Snoopers-Charter-delayed-until-July-2016
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...imit-uk-surveillance-powers-before-referendum
(Though both these source seem a bit in the dark about how the ECJ actually operates.)
The ECJ has not been "sitting on a ruling". It has not yet even received the main papers that it needs in order to consider a ruling. The Computer Weekly source seems to have confused the Advocate-General's opinion with the ECJ's ruling (they are different things and although the court usually follows what the A-G says, it doesn't always), and the Guardian seems to misunderstand what the Court means by "urgent". It certainly doesn't mean that a judgment is imminent. the A-G's opinion is not due until the 19th of - either June or July, I forget - and in the normal course of things the judgment will follow about three months later. And that is fast.
Now it's possible that the A-G's opinion may have been deliberately delayed until after the referendum (though I don't see any clear evidence that that is the case). But if so, that would likely have been to stop one or both campaigns and press crawling all over an opinion which is not final. It seems to me that the entirely reasonable justification for doing this (if it is happening) is not to deny the British Public from knowing something that is, after all, only an interim opinion - but to avoid there being any possibility at all of the court being seen to be influenced by the referendum campaign should its judgment swing one way or the other.
This one is not clear-cut wrong like the Turkey one was. It is possible, but it is not what it is made out to be, there's no evidence of anything nefarious going on, and there's nothing particularly special about the process.
Also "Ruling on Muzzling British Anti-Terror Police" is a bit over the top. Depending which way it goes it might not muzzle anti-terror police. And besides it is not solely about that, and is more particularly towards the right to privacy of ordinary citizens like you and me.
"I'm just asking questions!"
What planet do you live on? The bolded can be disproved just by reading the last page. Anyone who follows the thread regularly knows that's a crock of shit that no one could sincerely believe. You got called out for posting misinformation and so all you can do is play the persecution card.
It is frustrating. I just wish we could of somehow kept Farage away from it all...he is so desivive. And it amazed me he had not fucked something up until know...
But I said it before, I honestly believe Farage wants remain to win, as UKIP have lots to gain from a remain win
Jimbob Smalls
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Baroness Warsi to switch from Leave to Remain - the 'Breaking point' poster being a big reason, and accusing Gove of peddling lies:
Wouldn't surprise me if that bit of odious flatulence of a human being was a plant.
Why has remain not spoken about this?
JonathanEx
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But if it wasn't for Farage, I really don't think we'd have had this referendum. The Tories would always be in a mess over it, but it took the external factor of UKIP in the European elections, and Farage as the face and voice of leave that's done it.
That said yes he is quite toxic to it. As someone for remain I sort of feel there's benefit of him doing shit, however the greater picture I think the effect he's had on public discourse by stroking fears is incalculable.
So they wrote with a right wing tone, you write it with a left wing tone....apples and oranges....they may be reaching but nearly all press reach and dramatise things...after all they all need the traffic
I mean no offence by that just saying that they made it fit an agenda but that is their job as right wing media
Here's a genuine question - if Remain does win by a convincing margin, what does that mean for the political future of Farage and UKIP in general?
British independence is their entire raison d'etre. If they fail in their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to achieve it (gifted via a referendum that many feel should never even have been on the table in the first place), where do they go from here? Aside from peddling the same rhetoric indefinitely and crying out for another vote, would they not almost be, by definition, obsolete?
British independence is their entire raison d'etre. If they fail in their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to achieve it (gifted via a referendum that many feel should never even have been on the table in the first place), where do they go from here? Aside from peddling the same rhetoric indefinitely and crying out for another vote, would they not almost be, by definition, obsolete?
He's gonna go for 0-6 for mp elections.
I appreciate you countering his BS but I think your efforts might be wasted. Facts won't work.
Whatever happens I hope Farage is decimated. He's the most odious man in politics regardless of political persuasion.
/sigh
I am wasting my breath here, but it is not my BS...fine you don't want it posted, but stop trying to say it is mine, when clearly it is not...and it is ironic you are calling his post facts, when clearly they are not, they are opinions. Unless of course you have a psychic link to the judge.. Then by all means produce your facts
So mine is BS and the other is facts, just about right....enough said really
You'll get no argument from me there! Living out the rest of my days without ever having to see his smarmy face grinning over a pint again (cos he's one of us, innit) is a tantalising prospect indeed.
Maybe, maybe not. They've always seemed to me to represent the disenchanted. The protest vote for those dissatisfied with the status quo of UK politics. A milder version of the BNP in policy/approach, but a more potent force in mainstream acceptance/appeal.
Given Farage's performance in the last GE (when he resigned, lest we forget) and the recent shit show of his 'Breaking Point' poster, I wonder just how many of his 9 lives he has left and how much more of him the masses will tolerate/stomach.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
You're by no means the only Vote Leaver on GAF, nor the only one in this thread. And far from the only one I come across in real life (honestly, I swear this town is going to go independent all on its lonesome self).
And really, I'd like to keep you around to give a bit of balance, after all it's only another four days we have to put up with each other!
But I'm much more interested in why you intend to vote Leave (and I'm quite happy to engage with that sensibly and with no rancour) rather than reading whatever links you happen to have come across.
That's a fair enough call. But equally fairly it is an informed opinion based on sources I cited, and on my own knowledge of the workings of the ECJ - but you're right to call me out on that.
That's partly why I picked that one out to analyse, because it is less clear-cut than some of the others - no point just piling stuff on you again
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