18-1 or 73-9?

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Balb said:
Really hard to say. The Patriots loss is still brought up often. Will the Warriors' loss be brought up that often in a few years?
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If the Cavs win another title or two in the next few years (or have a few more finals appearances), then the Warrior's loss will look less like a choke job and more like them losing to a strong franchise. Really, comparing 73-9 to 18-1 less than 24 hours after the Warriors lost is the most kneejerk thing possible because we don't have the same level of perspective and hindsight to it than we do with 18-1.
 
The Patriots were going for perfection. If they had won, they would have the best season ever, nobody could ever beat that record. Somebody could conceivably beat 73-9. 73-9 is a worse choke job but 18-1 has to be the most painful of the two.
 
Jarmel said:
The Patriots were going for perfection. If they had won, they would have the best season ever, nobody could ever beat that record. Somebody could conceivably beat 73-9. 73-9 is a worse choke job but 18-1 has to be the most painful of the two.
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'72 Dolphins stay winning.
 
Real talk - neither of these are the biggest choke jobs in history. I'd like to present a third party into the discussion

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ElNino said:
Sure, but even as a Miami fan they played less games than the Pats did so I'm sure most would place New England above Miami if they had won the SB.
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100% true. But they didn't. Which is why they will be remembered as 18-1 and not The Undefeated.
 
73-9 is worse. It took a miraculous play for the Pats to lose the Super Bowl in a extremely competitive game.

GSW on the other hand choked. It wasn't a single miraculous play that did them in. It was three consecutive games were they had a chance to win and for a variety of reasons didn't get it done. The equivalent to the Pats would have the Patriots up 14 at start of the fourth and then going 18-1.
 
73-9

but the warriors were bout to get bounced by the thunder until klay thompson literally had the best game of his career. they were definitely vulnerable going into the finals.
 
The Warriors, if only because they blew a 3-1 lead. If the Patriots had been up by 20-30 points in the SB and then blew it, that'd be more comparable.
 
New England didn't choke though. That game came down to the very last play. Brady did everything he could, just like the next time the two teams met.

And why is OP comparing GS regular season record to NE's regular season+playoff?
 
18-1 is the bigger heart breaker if you're a fan of that team, and the thing that will be remembered longer.

But Golden State choked more because they lost 3 games in a row, and in a way that had never been done... No team down 3-1 in the NBA finals has ever won before, and against this Golden State team who hadn't lost 3 games in a row since Steve Kerr was the coach (I think I saw that). Consider this... in 41 games this season, Golden State only lost 2 of them at home, so in just the last 3 games, this series matches that.

The Patriots loss is more memorable but Golden States was a bigger choke.
 
The 18-1 loss is a bigger disappointment, but I wouldn't say the Pats "choked" at the Super Bowl, unless the Pats' OL getting fucking demolished is considered choking.
 
Jag said:
100% true. But they didn't. Which is why they will be remembered as 18-1 and not The Undefeated.
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Yep, and I couldn't have been happier about that. :-)

Heshinsi said:
New England didn't choke though. That game came down to the very last play. Brady did everything he could, just like the next time the two teams met.
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Oh, the Pats absolutely choked. Didn't Brady laugh at the suggestion that they could be held to under 20 points? They were the prohibitive favourite in the game and most thought it would a blow out.

That being said, I think the Warriors were the bigger choke since they had momentum and lost it. They both are now just really good teams who couldn't finish the season.
 
i think 73-9 after being up 3-1 in the finals is the bigger choke job, because they had 3 games to clinch it, and 2 of those at home.
 
ElNino said:
Yep, and I couldn't have been happier about that. :-)


Oh, the Pats absolutely choked. Didn't Brady laugh at the suggestion that they could be held to under 20 points? They were the prohibitive favourite in the game and most thought it would a blow out.

That being said, I think the Warriors were the bigger choke since they had momentum and lost it. They both are now just really good teams who couldn't finish the season.
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That criticism of Brady always irks me because he goes on for 60 seconds about how Plaxico Burress is a great player, Giants are great, and how Plax should be confident of his team, etc., and then a reporter is like "He says your'e going going to score 17 points," and Brady laughs and says "We're only going to score 17? Ok ... " and says how they don't make predictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhw_YLGmvKw

I don't really get what he's supposed to say here, especially when there are way more over-confident players and coaches in pre-game post game interviews.
 
The Albatross said:
That criticism of Brady always irks me because he goes on for 60 seconds about how Plaxico Burress is a great player, Giants are great, and how Plax should be confident of his team, etc., and then a reporter is like "He says your'e going going to score 17 points," and Brady laughs and says "We're only going to score 17? Ok ... " and says how they don't make predictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhw_YLGmvKw

I don't really get what he's supposed to say here, especially when there are way more over-confident players and coaches in pre-game post game interviews.
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Dude he laughed directly at the Giants defense and they proceeded to whoop his ass. That was a bonehead move.
“I’m in a room with [several defensive players] and we kinda see this pretty boy chuckle — like, ‘We’re only gonna score 17 points!’ — and it just seems like the whole room turned red,” Justin Tuck told the Post. “Like everybody was quiet. Literally fist-clenching, teeth. … If we could have went and played right then, we would have went and played that second.” Tuck finished that game with six tackles and two sacks on Brady, and he forced a fumble as well. Osi Umenyiora recovered that fumble, and he shared his memory of Brady’s chuckle. “I remember the arrogance of the whole way he scoffed,” Umenyiora told the Post. “I remember that making us particularly angry. … We just knew then that we were gonna take his head off. We just knew that right then. I mean, come on, man. There’s levels of arrogance, you understand what I mean? In the interview, like psshh, ‘We’re only gonna score 17 points?'”
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They were up 3-1 in the Finals and had 2 more games in Oakland. Steph and Klay choked that series HARD.

Never forget, Steph Curry couldn't shake Kevin "What's Defense?" Love.
 
The Albatross said:
That criticism of Brady always irks me because he goes on for 60 seconds about how Plaxico Burress is a great player, Giants are great, and how Plax should be confident of his team, etc., and then a reporter is like "He says your'e going going to score 17 points," and Brady laughs and says "We're only going to score 17? Ok ... " and says how they don't make predictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhw_YLGmvKw

I don't really get what he's supposed to say here, especially when there are way more over-confident players and coaches in pre-game post game interviews.
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"If 17 points is enough to win the game I'll be fine with that."

Easy. Pay me, NFL teams - I'll be the best PR person you've ever hired.
 
platocplx said:
73-9 why? they had 3 chances to close out, whereas football is any given sunday.
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Except all 18 sundays before that one, and they were nearly 20 point favorites and could only score 14.

EDIT: Correction, they were 12 point favorites. Keeping post original for posterity. I was wrong.
 
Empyrean Heaven said:
18 and 1, easily.

Yes, the Warriors were up 3-1 and lost game 7 at home, but as least they were playing the second best team in the league. The Patriots got beat by the fucking 10-6 Giants.
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No one called Cavs second best until they caught fire at the last minute. For most of the season they were considered third wheel at best.
 
Servbot24 said:
No one called Cavs second best until they caught fire at the last minute. For most of the season they were considered third wheel at best.
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What was it called? "The real Finals was the West CS".... The equivalent of GSW choke job in the playoff would be if that Pats team would had lost 3 consecutive games to the Giants, including 2 games at Gillette.
 
Neither were chokes.

One was a fluke on a team waiting to get exposed, the other was the full wraith of Lebron James + other people on the team stepping up, and they still won by the skin of their teeth.
 
Caja 117 said:
What was it called? "The real Finals was the West CS".... The equivalent of GSW choke job in the playoff would be if that Pats team would had lost 3 consecutive games to the Giants, including 2 games at Gillette.
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The Cavs could beat GS and OKC... AT THE SAME TIME.
 
18-1 because the Patriots hadn't lost a game all season. Felt more satisfying when they lost compared to the Warriors since they'd lost a lot of games in the playoffs before Game 7.
 
Both were gonna surpass the past records and both choked literally one game from making it. GSW just barely wins because unlike NE they had not one, not two but three match balls. It takes quite some dishonesty to reject this simple fact.
 
Warriors choked harder. 3 elimination games, 3 losses.

The Giants gave the Pats a good run for their money in the last game of the regular season, it was always going to be a close game looking past 19-0 hype. Plus that Eli to Tyree pass was just ridiculous.
 
cdyhybrid said:
No team had ever lost the Super Bowl when they had zero losses.

What a silly comparison.
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Not really if we're comparing seasons of the same sport. Plenty of NFL teams have been close to perfect (15-1) and not won. Meanwhile, no NBA team in history that won 69+ games lost the Finals and only one team with 67+ failed to win it all. 1934 Bears and 1942 Bears went undefeated (13-0, 11-0) and lost the NFL Championship game.

Just goes to show that in football any team can win any given Sunday while basketball is more predictable due to the series format. Hell just last year Carolina went 15-1 and lost the Superbowl, before that the Packers in 2011 went 15-1 and lost in the divisional round. Then there's the '02 Steelers, '98 Vikings, '85 Bears etc etc. Having an amazing regular season in the NFL and losing is not all that uncommon, while it's extremely uncommon in the NBA.
 
Nafai1123 said:
Not really if we're comparing seasons of the same sport. Plenty of NFL teams have been close to perfect (15-1) and not won. Meanwhile, no NBA team in history that won 69+ games lost the Finals and only one team with 67+ failed to win it all. 1934 Bears and 1942 Bears went undefeated (13-0, 11-0) and lost the NFL Championship game.

Just goes to show that in football any team can win any given Sunday while basketball is more predictable due to the series format. Hell just last year Carolina went 15-1 and lost the Superbowl, before that the Packers in 2011 went 15-1 and lost in the divisional round. Then there's the '02 Steelers, '98 Vikings, '85 Bears etc etc. Having an amazing regular season in the NFL and losing is not all that uncommon, while it's extremely uncommon in the NBA.
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Close to perfect != perfect.

That's the entire point.
 
Honestly, outside of Marino destroying them, the 85 Bears season was more impressive than the Pats. None of the barely winning against shit teams like the Eagles and Ravens.
 
Losing 3 straight including 2 at home is absolutely indefensible in any sport other than regular season baseball, so I'm leaning this direction. Had the Patriots lost at home I'd rate it equally.
 
73-9. Anything can happen in 1 game, and there isn't home field advantage in the Super Bowl. Losing a 7-game series, especially after being up 3-1, while having home court advantage is a bigger choke.
 
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