Yes well Dave asking the voting public, who he has pushed towards the right wing through his policies and use of the press, to suddenly vote for a left wing agenda at his own referendum probably isn't the brightest decision in hindsight.
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Yes well Dave asking the voting public, who he has pushed towards the right wing through his policies and use of the press, to suddenly vote for a left wing agenda at his own referendum probably isn't the brightest decision in hindsight.
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The Conservatives as a party probably wouldn't have been, but Cameron's own position would be untenable. The promise of a referendum was the only way to stop the Conservative upper echelons falling upon themselves.
AHA-Lambda
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well... yeah?
Thank the Tories for putting it in their manifesto.
AHA-Lambda
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idk, my facebook is overwhelming remain (but it's all people of my age range in scotland though so...)
I'm worried for the silent Tory phenomenon rearing its head in the leave camp ;_;
ReplacementPelican
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So even your wife knows you're a bit... off? Respect.
Why the fuck would you want the death penalty back?You would not want me
Day 1
Death Penalty back
Trains renationalised
Energy renationalised
NHS only free for UK Citizens (others need insurance)
GP's fines introduced for doing training here then fucking off to Australia
Schools, less holidays, more work....no increase in salary for Teachers either
I will do day 2 later
You must be a troll after reading all of this.
Are there any credible views that the EU will inevitably lose its inner-stability and trust from foreign investors, regardless of how this weeks vote goes?
The more I listen to people speak about brexit and look at trust-in-eu polls from other European countries the more it seems to me that the UK, or other countries, exiting the EU is likely whether it happens this week or 10 years from now.
The more I listen to people speak about brexit and look at trust-in-eu polls from other European countries the more it seems to me that the UK, or other countries, exiting the EU is likely whether it happens this week or 10 years from now.
Brexit may well lead to an economic downturn, but Bremain isn't going to lead to economic prosperity for all. We'll still be seeing government cuts decimating local services and jobs, housing that's too expensive for people to even dream about getting their own home, millions in insecure work that prevents any planning for the future.
So yes, warnings of cuts, housing prices going down and unemployment might just ring a bit hollow with people down at the bottom.
phisheep
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The Argument from Silly Analogy That Doesn't Hold Up To A Moments Thought:
Vote Leave if you want to play football like Slovakia.
Vote Remain if you want to play football like Wales.
(Since the best that Leave can come up with is that the economic downturn after the vote "won't be that terrifying")
Vote Leave if you want to play football like Slovakia.
Vote Remain if you want to play football like Wales.
(Since the best that Leave can come up with is that the economic downturn after the vote "won't be that terrifying")
Stereogatari
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Isn't this what happened with last year's election? All sorts of close predictions and then the Conservatives smashing it in the actual vote.
So two sides that won't progress beyond the next round, but at least one has a higher paid star than the other?
Bale or Rooney?
jufonuk
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If we leave I am sure my wife will be out of a job in a few years (all her work is based on eurozone funding)
Not only her but all her colleagues to.
So as loads of Citizens in the uk lose jobs and need the dole I am sure this magic Brexit money will allow us to take care of them ?
Not only her but all her colleagues to.
So as loads of Citizens in the uk lose jobs and need the dole I am sure this magic Brexit money will allow us to take care of them ?
The bolded is pertinent and should be remembered when some are scoffing at the idea many wish to Brexit despite such severe warnings - for years large sections of the community have day in, day out have seen and had the affects of austerity shoved in their faces.
Being told 'We're going to have to cut stuff' is just another day for many, so forgive them if they aren't exactly panicking regardless of the motivations behind them
I'm going to vote Remain and then leave the polling booth while holding my hands in a heart shape in celebration.
This is something Labour could have capitalised on. Oh well.
I am coming around to the view that Cameron genuinely believes in giving the voters a direct choice on important matters. Even when he stands to gain nothing. I think he may honestly believe in the principle.
Agree - regardless of what you think of him, he didn't have to do this and I don't just believe it was a mistake on his part. At the time there were movements in his party to push for one but the electorates voice in demanding one wasn't really a deal breaker and I honestly believe the GE result would have been the same without it being a manifesto pledge.
phisheep
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I think he does. And also, I think he trusted the electorate to help him detoxify the Tory party of the more rabid racial and separatist elements but did not properly account for how virulent and nasty and duplicitous the Leave Campaign would be. Essentially he's too nice a bloke for the job he has.
They'd need an answer to the problems that neoliberalism has brought about, but that's beyond them I feel. Corbyn certainly has the right attitude towards it, but I'd be surprised if they found an answer.
QuicheFontaine
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We had to pay it last year when she got her biometric residence permit, and we'll have to pay it again when she gets her next one in a couple of years. £200/year.
My point is that when it comes to "but I pay taxes here!", non-EU immigrants are already in that situation and apparently no one gives a toss.
maniac-kun
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I didnt follow the discussion. Whats the tendency at the moment?
Alx
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French economy is never really great and never really terrible. It has a huge inertia, because of a lack of ability to push major reforms, but also thanks to huge assets in many industries. It's not like it depends that much on speculative fluctuations.
Sorry, I was asleep. Now it's time to dance because we're going to vote remain.
Most things swinging towards Remain as we get closer to the vote, as is the usual trend towards the status quo.
It's all Corbyn has been going on about.
A bit of a doomed scenario there. None of that is going to happen if the Brits exit. The problems are more geopolitically related. The EU already has issues speaking with a single voice. The exit will just make things more complicated.
phisheep
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Might I ask why? I'm genuinely curious.
Same goes for Quiche and Tak3n and any others tending towards Leave.
Actually, maybe(!) I've been banging on a bit too much about arguments for Remain. How's about we all take a day off that and spend today listening to the Leavers? They've had little shout here.
jufonuk
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I get it now . The sun and farage spout all crazy lies loud enough people believe them . They have been told therefor it must be true. Why bother reading up on this ?? Just listen to the loudest voice there is.
Peoples reasons for voting leave that I have seen are rubbish .
People I have been speaking too parrot the same lies. Never facts.
They blame someone for the state the country is in. Must be the EU.
Not the Tories ..
I'm voting out.. Voting the Tories out next time.
I wish to stay in the EU...good day to you sirs.
My mind won't be changed
Peoples reasons for voting leave that I have seen are rubbish .
People I have been speaking too parrot the same lies. Never facts.
They blame someone for the state the country is in. Must be the EU.
Not the Tories ..
I'm voting out.. Voting the Tories out next time.
I wish to stay in the EU...good day to you sirs.
My mind won't be changed
Story breaking
David Cameron was told "explicitly and directly" that his promise on immigration could not be reduced, of course this guy is from the 'leave' camp so motives would be a issue, be a lot more damming if he was a remain guy
EU referendum: Cameron 'told migration target was impossible'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36582391
David Cameron was told "explicitly and directly" that his promise on immigration could not be reduced, of course this guy is from the 'leave' camp so motives would be a issue, be a lot more damming if he was a remain guy
EU referendum: Cameron 'told migration target was impossible'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36582391
ferrasvansen
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Funny thing is these folk will be the ones who suffer most in a recession, which when our economy is barely recovering back to pre 2008 levels is very susceptible and vulnerable to, in fact part of me is beginning to wonder if these folk are serioulsy wishing to damage the country as revenge against the government for failing them during austerity, polls certainly show they do not care about the economy and a lot of them realise it will be damaged but seem to think so what, it is just crazy.
I've got to remember that one when I'm trying to deny something without actually denying it.
because it shows that they were willing to 'lie' to the public for their own end (I know politicians lie all the time) and then they talk all bollocks about it is because the UK is so strong and the EU is weak so everyone wants to work here.. Of course if you follow this logic then the answer would be to leave. The Tories are telling us our economy will crash, so ergo we will be like the EU and then no one will come here
win win....they fill the election promise of low immigration
Too nice? He presided over two governments with some of the worst cuts to the poor Britain has seen for a decade or two; he led an office where more and more of the working poor went hungry. Almost Dickensian how children have had to rely on food banks.
But you're right. He is too nice... that's why we could afford to deal with inheritance tax; a moral obligation to give the rich such things in such lean times.
He did it for personal gain only. To try and stop MPs defecting to UKIP along with some voters. Don't forget how different the climate was before the GE.
ferrasvansen
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Compared to the politics of Gove, Farage and Johnson he will seem positively kind hearted despite his nasty anti disabled sick and poor benefit cuts.
JonathanEx
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The issue here though is what action you take from it. It was a bollocks promise by the Conservatives. If we leave, it's still many of those Conservatives who will be leading the country through that process, who stood by or were a part of those migration claims. I'm not necessarily sure we really learn anything from it except how much they think and know the public fear immigration, rightly are wrongly.
What I've since there though is also play the "all politicians are liars" card which is a terrible card play.
JonathanEx
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By Friday morning. I think John Curtis of BBC election fame said you should nap in the evening and wake up for 2am as that's when we start to get a flurry of results coming in.
Way to start in the weekend.
Man, I am really worried about the UK leaving... I am 23 and all I ever knew is a united europe and now it seems like everything is falling appart...
Friday by 7am it will be all over and announced, all bar the shouting and screaming from both sides
phisheep
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I'm talking about his personality rather than his policies. The two are pretty well independent.
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