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[hodgy100]

You are ignoring the very large, white working class vote that votes Tory. Has done since the 80s and Thatcher, and does now - my parents are a perfect example. You cannot boil these things down to simple, crude class warfare examples like you could 50 years ago.

Heck, the republicans in the USA have perfected the art of getting the poor to vote against their economic own interests - same goes here.

ha my dad is a staunch tory voter, yet he had to take 3 months off work at the start of this year due to stress after being overworked for the last couple of years due to funding cuts to local council meaning he had to do the work of what used to be 2-3 people.

still votes tory though. wehn i pointed out the discrepancy he just went into denial mode over it. I don't get how he can't see that he didn't himself in the foot. Regardless he has left that job now. I'm glad because it was really affecting his well being

 

[gerg]

after 100 races you will have lots more money than me, about 8 times out of 10...you see the odds dont truly reflect the horses chance, because they are animals, jockies etc etc, a whole host of things, so in the long term that is why the value bet is always the one that has better returns.

The problem with this logic in regards to the referendum is that the referendum is only happening once.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

It seems to me most leave voters aren't in it to 'screw the middle class' or anything like that. I think most are genuinely voting for what they think will be best for themselves, of course I think they're wrong and are basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the leave campaign, but yeah, I don't think the main intent here is to just stick it to the middle classes.

There are obviously many reasons why the poor/working class are voting to leave. I am poor/working class and voting to leave because I believe this is the best chance the UK has of staying out of a United States of Europe. Do I give a shit about the middle class ? Nope, I care about the middle class about as much as they care about the poor and working class.

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

 

[slider]

The problem with this logic in regards to the referendum is that the referendum is only happening once.

And there are only two horses in the race??

 

[Bold One]

Prepared for the worst,

Whether we Remain or Leave, this referendum has brought out the worst in the people of this country. Over the last few months, I have never been more ashamed to be British.

 

[milanbaros]

you mis understand


you bet £100 on remain, you get £28 profit

you bet £100 on leave, you get £350 profit

where is the value?

The value is that the market expected profit per pound bet on both is equal.

 

[gerg]

There are obviously many reasons why the poor/working class are voting to leave. I am poor/working class and voting to leave because I believe this is the best chance the UK has of staying out of a United States of Europe. Do I give a shit about the middle class ? Nope, I care about the middle class about as much as they care about the poor and working class.

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

The capitalists have won!

 

[Kabouter]

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

Hahah, fair enough.

 

[FlammableD]

The John Oliver segment will air at 10:10pm on Thursday on Sky Atlantic, to comply with the Ofcom rules

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

So Vote Leave posted footage of a brawl in Turkish parliament as a reason to leave the EU, and then doctored the footage with sound effects.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-turkey-video-doctored-screams-a7092191.html

I always felt some brawling is good for politics, all the thinly veiled insults politicians throw at each other 9 to 5 each day has to add up a little stress relief might actually be good every now and then.

 

[OverBlood 3]

This is going to be an amazing shit storm either way it goes Thursday night. Cant wait.

Still feel like Labour has been no where to be seen for the entire campaign. Useless Corbyn

Well this is blatantly false.

 

[cabot]

There are obviously many reasons why the poor/working class are voting to leave. I am poor/working class and voting to leave because I believe this is the best chance the UK has of staying out of a United States of Europe. Do I give a shit about the middle class ? Nope, I care about the middle class about as much as they care about the poor and working class.

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

damn son, do you need more wall to paint with your massive brush?

 

[Jezbollah]

Well this is blatantly false.

Yep, it is wrong to say that Labour haven't shown up. But I do get the impression that Corbyn would just shrug his shoulders in the event of a Leave vote.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Yep, it is wrong to say that Labour haven't shown up. But I do get the impression that Corbyn would just shrug his shoulders in the event of a Leave vote.

It'll just make his job harder but he'll still be making the same points. It's the Tory government not the EU that's fucking us over its not immigrants it's the Tory government...etc


By the way in poor working class and I'm voting remain. I don't buy anything Leave are selling.

 

[PJV3]

Yep, it is wrong to say that Labour haven't shown up. But I do get the impression that Corbyn would just shrug his shoulders in the event of a Leave vote.

What else can he do, he's a friend of Osama and spreads a Britain hating ideology. it's almost impossible to swim against the tide of shit in this country.

 

[PartyElectrify]

I have a question for anyone who'd know, I'm struggling to find any answers.

My girlfriend moved in with me last August, from Poland. She has a job and has done since September/November time last year. What would Britain leaving the EU mean for her? Are there going to be any issues with getting work, or her still living with me?

 

[anonymous_abc]

Yes, let me give you a lesson

walk into any bookies and you will likely see the same people losing money betting on favourites in horse racingyou see the fav in a horse racing over time wins 33% of the time, and people think it is easy money, when in reality it is not, you will ALWAYS lose betting on fav's..

The value lies betting elsewhere, you see the fav often gives you better odds on the other runners, so a 50/1 may look like a joke...but in reality if me and you walk into a bookies with a £100 ok...

I say I will bet on every favourite at £1 a go to win for 100 races

you, I want you to close your eyes and pick any horse in each of those 100 races except the fav

after 100 races you will have lots more money than me, about 8 times out of 10...you see the odds dont truly reflect the horses chance, because they are animals, jockies etc etc, a whole host of things, so in the long term that is why the value bet is always the one that has better returns.

So why doesn't everyone do it if it's so fool proof?
I just don't get gambling one bit...

I love maths, but I could never wrap my head around stochastics and probabilities...

 

[Khoryos]

There are obviously many reasons why the poor/working class are voting to leave. I am poor/working class and voting to leave because I believe this is the best chance the UK has of staying out of a United States of Europe. Do I give a shit about the middle class ? Nope, I care about the middle class about as much as they care about the poor and working class.

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

Out of interest, why do you want to stay out of a USE?

 

[avaya]

I have a question for anyone who'd know, I'm struggling to find any answers.

My girlfriend moved in with me last August, from Poland. She has a job and has done since September/November time last year. What would Britain leaving the EU mean for her? Are there going to be any issues with getting work, or her still living with me?

No certainties. Ambiguity will last for some years. Unless things get heated and the Eurogroup gets the knives out (entirely possible). During that time you should be more concerned with having a job at all. No joke.

 

[Coxy100]

This is going to be an amazing shit storm either way it goes Thursday night. Cant wait.

Still feel like Labour has been no where to be seen for the entire campaign. Useless Corbyn

Agreed. I watched him on the last leg the other week and he came across well - but goddamn is he a weak leader - I never hear from him. tories are there fore the killing at the moment but Labour aren't loud enough

 

[Madchad]

I have a question for anyone who'd know, I'm struggling to find any answers.

My girlfriend moved in with me last August, from Poland. She has a job and has done since September/November time last year. What would Britain leaving the EU mean for her? Are there going to be any issues with getting work, or her still living with me?

Could you know....

Spoiler

get married

covered so she cant see it xP

 

[Walshicus]

There are obviously many reasons why the poor/working class are voting to leave. I am poor/working class and voting to leave because I believe this is the best chance the UK has of staying out of a United States of Europe. Do I give a shit about the middle class ? Nope, I care about the middle class about as much as they care about the poor and working class.

Naturally you think my decision is wrong I equally think people voting to remain are wrong and basing their decisions in part on lies they've been told by the remain campaign.

A "United States of Europe" is about the best chance your class (and my birth class) have of clawing back power from the élites who run these countries.

It kind of seems like Leave voting working class people are like working class people who vote Republican in the US... "Turkeys voting for Christmas" is the phrase, isn't it?

 

[milanbaros]

Yes, let me give you a lesson

walk into any bookies and you will likely see the same people losing money betting on favourites in horse racingyou see the fav in a horse racing over time wins 33% of the time, and people think it is easy money, when in reality it is not, you will ALWAYS lose betting on fav's..

The value lies betting elsewhere, you see the fav often gives you better odds on the other runners, so a 50/1 may look like a joke...but in reality if me and you walk into a bookies with a £100 ok...

I say I will bet on every favourite at £1 a go to win for 100 races

you, I want you to close your eyes and pick any horse in each of those 100 races except the fav

after 100 races you will have lots more money than me, about 8 times out of 10...you see the odds dont truly reflect the horses chance, because they are animals, jockies etc etc, a whole host of things, so in the long term that is why the value bet is always the one that has better returns.

You fundamentally misunderstand a bet exchange betting market on a two horse race.

 

[Tak3n]

So why doesn't everyone do it if it's so fool proof?
I just don't get gambling one bit...

I love maths, but I could never wrap my head around stochastics and probabilities...

Because bookies ban you and restrict your accounts to £10 bets etc, they have algorithms and formulas running in the background to identify people who know what they are doing

 

[PJV3]

Agreed. I watched him on the last leg the other week and he came across well - but goddamn is he a weak leader - I never hear from him. tories are there fore the killing at the moment but Labour aren't loud enough

The Tories on both sides turned the volume to 11, he just isn't going to get any attention.

 

[Hasney]

I'm slowly thinking Tak3n is the type of person to buy the mobile microtransactions labelled "Best Value!" after this betting talk.

 

[Tak3n]

You fundamentally misunderstand a bet exchange betting market on a two horse race.

I was teaching him about long term value and why not to bet on short odds, that is all, what I do know is you can trade 'leave'... back at 4.5 wait for Sunderland to declare, those odds would shorten, trade out for a profit

 

[Ravensmash]

I have a question for anyone who'd know, I'm struggling to find any answers.

My girlfriend moved in with me last August, from Poland. She has a job and has done since September/November time last year. What would Britain leaving the EU mean for her? Are there going to be any issues with getting work, or her still living with me?

The likelihood (in my opinion) is that anyone currently here will be given leave to remain. I can't imagine there'll be a situation where the UK forces people out - especially if they're working.

However, this is all going to be a part of the negotiations that'll go on for 2 years.

I'd also wager that our reaction will heavily depend on other countries reactions too (e.g. if EU states try and get British citizens out).

 

[JoeM86]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving"? With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored and it'd be a bit dodgy. Though conversely you could say the same for 51% remain, 49% leave.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

 

[Kabouter]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving". With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

I could just as validly say 'With that many for leave, I don't think it can be ignored'.

 

[Tak3n]

I'm slowly thinking Tak3n is the type of person to buy the mobile microtransactions labelled "Best Value!" after this betting talk.

I use to review gambling products for a website, I have seen many a person fall foul of short odds betting, I can tell you a 1000 stories of people losing more than they could afford on the 'promised land'

 

[JoeM86]

I could just as validly say 'With that many for leave, I don't think it can be ignored'.

True, and I had just edited that bit in

However, maintaining the status quo over a massive change is a bit more likely in such situations.

 

[Madchad]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving". With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

Believe its been said multiple times what ever the result is that is what it will be no ifs or buts.

If they decide to not follow through after saying that you can fully expect riots and the like. Guy Fawkes and the rest of it.

 

[ClivePwned]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving"? With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored and it'd be a bit dodgy. Though conversely you could say the same for 51% remain, 49% leave.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

I thought referenda were binding, it's plebiscites that aren't.

 

[Tak3n]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving"? With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored and it'd be a bit dodgy. Though conversely you could say the same for 51% remain, 49% leave.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

They will recount every county until 51% says remain, then claim they have a mandate to go forward

 

[milanbaros]

I was teaching him about long term value and why not to bet on short odds, that is all, what I do know is you can trade 'leave' back at 4.5 wait for Sunderland to declare, those odds would shorten, trade out for a profit

If that is the case then we all expect you to make millions.

Your strategy takes no account of the fact that the general public will have been getting information via the hedge fund exit polls all day which will be effecting the pound and stock market.

There is a real possibility the bet market has almost declared by the time Sunderland declares.

 

[Madchad]

They will recount every county until 51% says remain, then claim they have a mandate to go forward

Dont forget they will extend past 10pm ballot closing to ensure their desired result to.

 

[PJV3]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving"? With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored and it'd be a bit dodgy. Though conversely you could say the same for 51% remain, 49% leave.

Referendums aren't legally binding afterall, just essentially opinion polls.

If it's that close it will depend on the sky crashing in or not, it's going to take the government falling and the British nation's reputation being diminished. A little turbulence and we will soldier on, Cameron will be fucked by his own party for ignoring the vote.

I don't see Corbyn approving just ignoring it either.

 

[JoeM86]

Believe its been said multiple times what ever the result is that is what it will be no ifs or buts.

If they decide to not follow through after saying that you can fully expect riots and the like. Guy Fawkes and the rest of it.

But surely if it's say 20,000,001 voted Leave and 20,000,000 voted remain then they can't just ignore that, can they? It's a majority, sure, but it's barely a majority.

Have they not mentioned such a scenario? I've tried looking but can't find anything

 

[danowat]

I have a question for anyone who'd know, I'm struggling to find any answers.

My girlfriend moved in with me last August, from Poland. She has a job and has done since September/November time last year. What would Britain leaving the EU mean for her? Are there going to be any issues with getting work, or her still living with me?

As said, no one knows, but I'd imagine those with jobs would get work visas, or at least fast tracked application, and would be allowed to stay and would while decision is pending.

They just aren't going to boot thousands of working migrants out of the country, the country would fall to pieces in days if that happened.

But surely if it's say 20,000,001 voted Leave and 20,000,000 voted remain then they can't just ignore that, can they? It's a majority, sure, but it's barely a majority.

Have they not mentioned such a scenario? I've tried looking but can't find anything

Why should that make a difference?, majority rules, no matter how slim.

 

[Beefy]

Hopefully no one votes to remain because of Beckham.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

But surely if it's say 20,000,001 voted Leave and 20,000,000 voted remain then they can't just ignore that, can they? It's a majority, sure, but it's barely a majority.

Have they not mentioned such a scenario? I've tried looking but can't find anything

Eh? What would they be 'ignoring'? The winning threshold is literally 50%+1 vote, so in your scenario yes Leave would win.

 

[Yen]

Metro's front page

Spoiler

advertisement

today.

Oddly, this ad was paid for by the DUP.

Johnson, Gove, Farage, DUP. What a horrendous group of people.

 

[danowat]

Did anyone here the newsbeat interview with a guy (Wade) working in Zante?

He said he wanted to leave because all the migrants coming over here and taking our jobs, when challenged on the irony of him working in Greece, he said, well, they just come over to England and sit around and claim benefits.

Beggers belief that there are people like that out there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07f28zb

Starts about 8mins in.

 

[jufonuk]

Oddly, this ad was paid for by the DUP.

Johnson, Gove, Farage, DUP. What a horrendous group of people.

Saw remain ads from Richard Branson and French based companies inside the paper.

 

[spuckthew]

What happens then if England votes to leave and the other 3 parts of the UK vote to stay, therefore a leave vote would not be representative.

I guess it's a good thing then that the question being asked is phrased as "Should the UK" rather than "Should England".

 

[dumbo]

If it ends up being ridiculously close but in favour of leave (say 51% leave, 49% remain), do you guys think Parliament are going to just say "No, we're not leaving"? With that many for remain, I don't think it can be ignored and it'd be a bit dodgy. Though conversely you could say the same for 51% remain, 49% leave.

I think there's somewhat of a misunderstanding that "Dave" goes up to the EU council and files form 32b - "leaving the EU for dummies".

In practice 'leaving' the EU would require endless negotiation over many years, and may require treaty change (which would require some EU countries to hold a referendum).

One truly wonky concept is that the UK could hold another referendum before the 'leave' process is completed. "Are you absolutely sure you wish to trash what's left of the economy? Yes/No"

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Prepared for the worst,

Whether we Remain or Leave, this referendum has brought out the worst in the people of this country. Over the last few months, I have never been more ashamed to be British.

Heh, reminds me exactly of the independence referendum, welcome to the club.

What happens then if England votes to leave and the other 3 parts of the UK vote to stay, therefore a leave vote would not be representative.

Then there will be precedent for another Scottish referendum for a start.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I think there's somewhat of a misunderstanding that "Dave" goes up to the EU council and files form 32b - "leaving the EU for dummies".

In practice 'leaving' the EU would require endless negotiation over many years, and may require treaty change (which would require some EU countries to hold a referendum).

One truly wonky concept is that the UK could hold another referendum before the 'leave' process is completed. "Are you absolutely sure you wish to trash what's left of the economy? Yes/No"

I don't think that's such a wonky concept tbh. In fact, I would suggest that that almost definitely will, and quite frankly should, happen in the event of a Leave vote.

The question on Thursday is simply whether or not the UK should Leave the EU. There's nothing in there about on what terms we should Leave. I think that if it is a Leave vote, the negotiations should take place and then return the question to the British public - "how about this?"

 

[ferrasvansen]

I think there's somewhat of a misunderstanding that "Dave" goes up to the EU council and files form 32b - "leaving the EU for dummies".

In practice 'leaving' the EU would require endless negotiation over many years, and may require treaty change (which would require some EU countries to hold a referendum).

One truly wonky concept is that the UK could hold another referendum before the 'leave' process is completed. "Are you absolutely sure you wish to trash what's left of the economy? Yes/No"

Oh I think it's a given a second referendum will occur after all we will be offered a choice by Europe and ultimately I think it will be put to a referendum, I don't think it's a great idea to be honest given the mess of this one but I think it will and it's probably the right move, I may be wrong but and Britain might be very different by then anyway so it's hard to tell.