Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

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QuicheFontaine said:
An interesting point discussed at lunch was what if it rains on Thursday? Even that could make the difference, in my opinion. I can see many Leave-voting oldies being all too happy to don a mac and traipse down to their local primary school / church / mosque in the rain (if they didn't vote by post a fortnight ago), whereas Remain-leaning young'uns would probably be more likely to stay in bed*.

*No offence to any young'uns in this thread intended
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Depends weather forecast suggests weather best tomorrow in Scotland and Northern Ireland both pro remain areas, with worst in eastern and southern England which London excluded are pro leave areas, I do not think it will make much of a difference considering in cities it's usually closer to polling stations to travel and most cities are pro remain.
 
ClosingADoor said:
And seeing the figureheads leading the Leave side and the facts they are simply ignoring, can you blame people for making fun of them? It's not a good look, let's be honest here.
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I see figureheads leading the remain side and the facts they are making up as they go along. No side is ideal here, both side are shit bags and they are both lying through their teeth to get you to vote how they want you to vote.
 
JonathanEx said:
Juncker has claimed there'll be no kind of negotiation in the event of a leave vote.

Fair enough but my understanding of EU rules is that there is some negotiation process as part of Article 50? They might not want to do anything, but that's part of it, isn't it?
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There are two separate things.

The concessions that Cameron negotiated which, no matter if you think they are poor, are significant - are dependent on the outcome of the referendum only. If we vote Leave they are immediately off the table, and Juncker is saying they will not come back.

The article 50 negotiations depend on our official notification of intent to leave, and of course will happen.

Tak3n said:
Ordering now would not be good as they wont charged your card until tomorrow at the earliest, so if we leave you will get done...

did you see my post about using your skills on conveyancing
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Off topic but since you ask.

When ordering I use immediate bank transfer, So I still have time to gamble!

I 've done some conveyancing, and the mechanics are very easy - but the risk is very high (money laundering, client identification, detection of fraud etc), leading to hefty insurance costs, very heavy regulation, and mortgage providers being very picky. It is possible to do it remotely and cheaply, but frankly I'd rather not as the primary characteristic of conveyancing is that it is very very dull. Also, it is difficult to impress your client as you are always dependent on the other side, who are invariably slow and error-prone!
 
phisheep said:
There are two separate things.

The concessions that Cameron negotiated which, no matter if you think they are poor, are significant - are dependent on the outcome of the referendum only. If we vote Leave they are immediately off the table, and Juncker is saying they will not come back.

The article 50 negotiations depend on our official notification of intent to leave, and of course will happen.
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Ta! Makes sense.
 
Turns out forecasts say Flanders will be the region the biggest hit when Brexit becomes real, right after Ireland. So basically I have a big dog in this fight, and want to vote as well. Where's my ballot?
 
Souldriver said:
Turns out forecasts say Flanders will be the region the biggest hit when Brexit becomes real, right after Ireland. So basically I have a big dog in this fight, and want to vote as well. Where's my ballot?
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Poor Flanders

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Jackpot said:
That's one disgustingly revisionist view of WW2. "Down with peace and unity, up with divisions!"



No, he's right. We can't hold referendums whenever we like. Even this one was done as a bit of political fixing to satisfy a faction of a single political party and then try and make them obsolete with what was thought to be a slam-dunk rejection of Brexit.
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Of course, and you're right too. But by the law the government doesn't have to do a referendum to leave the EU even though it's very unlikely to ever do so, it simply has to vote to do so in parliament. The only situation I could think of where that might happen is if things became progressively worse and we jumped out before the thing fell apart.
 
what is slightly worrying is that Glastonbury is this weekend.....

Meaning many of the young cool stay in crew, are probably in a muddy field and quite possibly drunk.
 
Skele7on said:
what is slightly worrying is that Glastonbury is this weekend.....

Meaning many of the young cool stay in crew, are probably in a muddy field and quite possibly drunk.
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Reporting live from the muddy field right now (not drunk yet, waiting for someone to show up with a tent for me first)

If it makes you feel better they reminded people to vote every chance they got. And encouraged people to vote remain as well.
 
QuicheFontaine said:
An interesting point discussed at lunch was what if it rains on Thursday? Even that could make the difference, in my opinion. I can see many Leave-voting oldies being all too happy to don a mac and traipse down to their local primary school / church / mosque in the rain (if they didn't vote by post a fortnight ago), whereas Remain-leaning young'uns would probably be more likely to stay in bed*.

*No offence to any young'uns in this thread intended
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Rain would be a disaster for remain.

Inclement weather always depresses the "softest" vote, which in this case is probably Remain (it's usually Labour who are most affected, because they get the young and the poor vote, which swings both ways in this case).
 
Carl2291 said:
So many insults from Remain voters. So petty. From Bob Geldof to Linkstrikesback. So much anger.
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Reading the Leave material, I can say the exact same thing: so many insults towards EU and non-EU immigrants, so much anger and racism.
Honestly: I am almost 40 years old and I've never seen an election with such tones, claims and horrible horrible act of racism and xenophobia.
 
Carl2291 said:
So many insults from Remain voters. So petty. From Bob Geldof to Linkstrikesback. So much anger.
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Yeah I agree. Attacking someone's opinion in one thing (and creates healthy debate), but insulting the person doesn't even help one's argument. It pushes people away.

I don't know how Farage gets away with it though.
 
RedShift said:
Reporting live from the muddy field right now (not drunk yet, waiting for someone to show up with a tent for me first)

If it makes you feel better they reminded people to vote every chance they got. And encouraged people to vote remain as well.
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I envy but don't envy you. I love glastonbury when weather is good.
But when it's pissing down and muddy as fuck, I do sometimes contemplate my life choices.

Good that they decided to promote voting and remaining in.
 
Cobalt Izuna said:
Yeah I agree. Attacking someone's opinion in one thing (and creates healthy debate), but insulting the person doesn't even help one's argument. It pushes people away.

I don't know how Farage gets away with it though.
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He's doesn't. He's one of the most hated men in the country and is constantly berated by many, many people.
 
I fully expect (as we do every GE) to see lots of polling stations shutting at 10pm shutting thousands out

if it happens in the GE, god knows what it will be like tomorrow
 
Markus Kerber, head of the BDI (Germany’s answer to the CBI), is calling on his country to not risk damaging trade with punitive post-Brexit tariffs.

“Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries – or between the two political centres, the European Union on the one hand and the UK on the other – would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st century. The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have”
The UK is responsible for approximately 5.5 million jobs across Europe – the German Mittelstand won’t want a trade war, they’ll want free trade.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060
 
ittoryu said:
Reading the Leave material, I can say the exact same thing: so many insults towards EU and non-EU immigrants, so much anger and racism.
Honestly: I am almost 40 years old and I've never seen an election with such tones, claims and horrible horrible act of racism and xenophobia.
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Peter Griffiths 'if you wan't a nigger for a neighbor vote Labour' election in Smethwick (which he won) surely takes that crown.

This has been pretty bad though.
 
I've had my mind maid up a for while on this. Remain.

The EU is pretty awfully run as far as I am concerned and this has translated into a bad PR issue. The problem being the no one in the EU is willing to change that and only exasperate this issue further by claiming the British are being selfish and bullies.

The biggest problems facing the EU is that it is unable to represent any sort of unified response to an issue.

- Syria
- The Immigration Crisis

Instead as acting as a whole, we acted as individuals and screwed it all up. The fact that it got this bad is no ones fault but our own. The UK, France, Germany , others, alone are not enough to handle this. It should have been all of the EU coming together and making a decision on how to proceed. Armed Forces in Syria, Economic Sanctions or Propping up a side.

The EU acts like things outside of Europe don't affect it, but that is the exact opposite. Every crisis since the EU's creation has for the most part been caused by something outside of Europe. Yet we don't have a response to these situations.

I'm getting off topic.

The EU is not run well, it's not organised well and it's lead to massive problems because of this. However its still the best option for the UK.

If we are out of the EU we can't do anything to bring about changing this system and we risk massive problems. I still think we would bounce back economically, but there is no doubt in my mind that the next 10 years are set to be some of the most dangerous and problematic years the world has ever seen. Far right movements across the world are on the up. Putin has struck NATO a blow with the Ukraine and increased tensions across the region. Trump is up for the US election. Hillary a person with massive backing from corporations and under investigation by the FBI is the alternative. A Terrorist Organisation that before this last decade would have been considered far fetched in a cartoon has taken control of over 30 cities and attacked countries all over the globe

Even if you ignore the economic and global situation, historically, every time the UK has gone into an isolationist mindset, something awful has happened.

Ignore the above if you want though. I will admit I am biased. I am going to marry a Portuguese woman in the next 2 months and as far as I am concerned that justifies the cost of being a part of the EU.
 
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