Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Maybe look to a wider circle for opinions?
I'm currently seeing on various UK based sites lots of discussion mostly about two main areas-
How the EU is interfering with trade, especially between commonwealth countries that is infuriating many.
Anger that UK factories are being closed and moved to Eastern Europe in moves paid for by the EU.
But according to the BBC this is all about immigration and according GAF/Facebook, leave=racist, no if buts of maybes and that is angering leave voters more and making it more likely they will vote. As someone who feels more inclined to 'remain' that's really quite difficult to push against.
Try the BBC one?
Bullshit nationalism, xenophobia and a not-so-subtle hint of casual racism is reeking from every cesspit in the County. It is absolutely noxious.
Get out and vote remain for fucks sake.
I literally meant just in case and and it happened at a local polling station and was hushed over. Just to say I have voted remain I am not some conspiracy nut from the leave side.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Did you vote in the European Parliament Election in 2014, because an overwhelming 64% of the eligible voters in the UK didn't.
It's hilarious to me that this is a complaint when people at large don't even use the voice given to them only to complain about not being heard.
You are a leaver? Then we settle this in a game of EU4
giant_frying_pan
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Maybe it really is time for an Oz-style points system...!
brain_stew
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Sunderland will come in well before 2pm. It's wildly expected to swing heavily towards Leave so if it is close then that is very good for remain. If the Labour party were currently even semi competent, strongholds like Sunderland should have comfortably swung towards remain with a proper campaign. Labour voters will decide this election so Sunderland will give us a good idea which way they're going to vote.
QuicheFontaine
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No matter the result, the damage is done. I think the whole ordeal has exposed us for the kind of country/people we really are, certainly won't be looking down my nose at Americans should they elect Trump, no matter the result.
Spiral Insanity
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Why did you vote leave?
Napoleonthechimp
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This is what I wrote as my facebook status:
Naturally, I'm voting remain as I believe in the EU and feel we should work together to fix and improve it. The leave campaign only have vague promises founded in nothing but uncertainty.
Also, Farage is an odious man and when the scummy tabloids are on your side then you know you're on the wrong one.
Naturally, I'm voting remain as I believe in the EU and feel we should work together to fix and improve it. The leave campaign only have vague promises founded in nothing but uncertainty.
Also, Farage is an odious man and when the scummy tabloids are on your side then you know you're on the wrong one.
kavanf1
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This Irishman's remain vote has just been cast. Sincerely hope the remain vote wins, I don't want the remainder of my working life to be like (or worse than) things were after the 2008 crash.
brain_stew
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Insulting those voting against you isn't going to help sway their opinion.
phisheep
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This campaign has been a particularly bad one for the huge gulf between what the campaigns are saying and what normal sensible people are trying to decide on the basis of.
Politicians think that they persuade people by their outrageous claims and political skulduggery. In fact, people are persuaded by talking to other people and by what they see and hear around them. Nearly nobody that I have met - and I meet a very wide range of people - is so stupid as to swallow wholesale the pitch for either side, and if you are going to do some last minute research then reading fullfact will do you a load more good than watching some rubbish debate.
Hell, get down to your local Wetherspoons and read their house magazine - it is better and more balanced then anything we have seen on the telly.
maybe wait for the next dlc thoTheLegendOfMart
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Immigration isn't even an issue for me, if it were the only issue I'd vote remain without question.
I think the EU is a good thing but both sides do have some good arguments if you separate all the fear mongering. I'd like to see a more hands off EU but I don't think I can trust the Tories to do it.
Almost as noxious as elements of the Remain campaign tarring those who want to leave as intolerant, xenophobic nationalists at best, and racists at worst.
Napoleonthechimp
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I don't care about swaying their opinion. I've voted in general elections since I was 18 and not once has my vote counted due to be surrounded by gutter dwelling BNP voters. My constituency is right wing and will always be that way. All they do is spout off xenophobic bullshit about immigrants and the EU without having any plan or understanding of what would come after their tantrum.
They're basically like infants who shit their pants and then expect an adult to wipe their backsides. But if this goes badly then the resulting mess will be on them and them alone.
Beaniedude
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As an outsider to all of this I just want to say that Brexit sounds like a breakfast cereal.
https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/dear-jean-claude-juncker-e0d9855924d0#.rr8nemr8q
This is where I am at.
Good luck to all however you vote today. The hate from both sides is strong.
This is where I am at.
Good luck to all however you vote today. The hate from both sides is strong.
giant_frying_pan
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It really was. Given Tim Martin's support for leave I didn't expect it to be as fair as it was. Exhaustive, hardly, but a really decent primer for the average punter.
Miles Quaritch
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How relevant the commonwealth in today's world? I can't imagine we do more trade with the commonwealth than we do with the EU.
Anyway, it's finally here. No matter what you choose, try to vote responsibly. No need for protests votes here...keep that kind of bejaviour for the Local and General Elections.
Whilst you may or may not be a xenophobe or a racist, it's pretty clear that many, many Leave voters are voting to restrict immigration and ultimately send the buggers back. In the wider scheme of things it makes no odds whether you are or not. The Leave campaign chose to frame the debate on immigration and fear.
Miles Quaritch
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Most of them are getting on in years. They can't afford to hang around another 20-30 years to see their vision come to fruition.
TheLaughingStock
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Eager to see today what the ramifications are for running economies into the ground and paving a path for extremists for a power grab.
Sinfamy
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Why doesn't the UK and other member states have the right to address certain issues that they have with the EU?
I feel like a lot of this could have been relegated had there been a system in place for the countries to voice their concern and in some democratic fashion and change or addend EU laws, be it immigration or the economy.
I feel like a lot of this could have been relegated had there been a system in place for the countries to voice their concern and in some democratic fashion and change or addend EU laws, be it immigration or the economy.
Solid article. Sadly I don't think Juncker and the rest of the EU leaders will pay much attention.
kavanf1
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If anyone is on the fence about voting, I would strongly suggest giving Ben Goldacre's Twitter or Facebook feeds a read. He likes to focus on the data and is firmly in the Remain camp due to this.
For example: https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/745703472314617856?s=09
For example: https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/745703472314617856?s=09
Oh please. Enough with the self pity. The vast majority of the rational debate I've seen has come from the Remain campaign. Even then anybody with any integrity will do their own research and see if there is a genuine case to be made. Which I did. And Brexiting is Ukip without the racism. Kinda.
Sadly, Brexiting campaigners have either been deliberately inept, or outright lied.
Stop this tribalism, and vote, to represent your opinion, on the ballot.
Sadly, Brexiting campaigners have either been deliberately inept, or outright lied.
Stop this tribalism, and vote, to represent your opinion, on the ballot.
31GhostsIV
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All done.
My polling station, one of many in my horrible 'seaside' town was dead. That said, it was when I went during the GE as well so it's not an indicator of much.
My polling station, one of many in my horrible 'seaside' town was dead. That said, it was when I went during the GE as well so it's not an indicator of much.
Flintty
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Aligning the leave vote to racism needs to stop FFS. This is why I don't like to discuss/read about politics on NeoGAF, some of you get so single minded. I'm voting leave. I'm not a racist.
I'll give you that, he has been unwavering in his policies and opinions. If only he wasn't so wrong all the time I may actually like him too.
I hear you - I suspect though if they don't pay attention to the wider point of this piece, they are going to face revolts across Europe in the longer term that will dismantle the EU more effectively than Brexit ever could
Dear Rest of the world,
Thank you for your correspondence, it was great to hear from you. Don't worry most of us are voting remain.
Kind regards
UK
TheLegendOfMart
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I am watching the BBC EU Ref and it seems like Leave doesn't have a clue. They are just shouting rhetoric and dodging questions. They want us to leave the EU but don't have a fecking clue what is going to happen if we do. How can they say with a straight face that they can guarantee wages will go up, our jobs are safe, the NHS will get extra funding, etc..
Norwegian_Imposter
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But the party have aligned themselves with that line though...
You're right. Not everyone who is voting leave is a racist, but when the leave side frames the debate specifically around immigration and has Farage at the forefront, how do you expect people to react?
Dear Rest of World
We probably will vote Remain. But don't take that as we are happy with the fuckwits in charge one bit
Send alcohol.
Love, UK
Nah there is a difference between wanting to restrict immigration to protect UK jobs, controlling our own destiny on things like trade deals etc and racism.
Farage and his cronies are clearly basing the argument on xenophobic racism but that's not the only reason to vote leave.
This is coming from someone voting remain BTW, I can just see both sides of the argument.
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