Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

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Aligning the leave vote to racism needs to stop FFS. This is why I don't like to discuss/read about politics on NeoGAF, some of you get so single minded. I'm voting leave. I'm not a racist.

You're not a racist but you're aligned with a group that has engaged in racist and bigoted campaigning.

It's like saying I support Trump but I'm not racist or a bigot. You might not be, but the one you're supporting openly is and you can't separate your decision to support that, no matter how hard you try....
 
I am watching the BBC EU Ref and it seems like Leave doesn't have a clue. They are just shouting rhetoric and dodging questions. They want us to leave the EU but don't have a fecking clue what is going to happen if we do. How can they say with a straight face that they can guarantee wages will go up, our jobs are safe, the NHS will get extra funding, etc..

People will blame project fear but fact is Leave keep telling us they are about 'hope' and 'positive' but they've dived into nothing but negative for weeks now. They have done nothing near what Yes did to build support and their arguments are too often not backed up by fact.

I mean why state 350M when it's less than that but still significant.
 
People will blame project fear but fact is Leave keep telling us they are about 'hope' and 'positive' but they've dived into nothing but negative for weeks now. They have done nothing near what Yes did to build support and their arguments are too often not backed up by fact.

I mean why state 350M when it's less than that but still significant.

Because people will quote that figure all the time.
 
Not telling anyone how they should vote but there is a huge irony in that the voters being targeted to vote leave are those who are mostly likely to be fucked over in the aftermath. It's turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
Aye. If there was a third option, I'd be ticking that box.

And that's the thing that I dislike most about this referendum and referendums in general. You're generally offered a choice between either fully in or fully out. There's no room for nuance like there is with a general election. There's no compromise, there's no ifs or buts. I think a lot of Britons are not necessarily opposed to the EU even if they disagree with parts of it or how it is run. They're however not given an option to say what they do want, they're only given an option to see whether they want the status quo or the abandonment of European cooperation. I'm sure some people are fine with the options provided, but I'd like to imagine most are not quite so black and white.

As I've mentioned before, the fact that you're only given a yes/no vote is also part of the reason the debate becomes so charged. Even if you're torn but end up going with one side or another, you're voting for the same thing that the people most fanatically supporting that side are. Someone who has some concerns about how the EU is run, but likes the idea of it in general, yet ends up voting leave is automatically on the same side as ultranationalists and racists. This was such an awful idea.
 
Not telling anyone how they should vote but there is a huge irony in that the voters being targeted to vote leave are those who are mostly likely to be fucked over in the aftermath. It's turkeys voting for Christmas.

Turkeys are already dead come Christmas. Jokes on you.
 
Because people will quote that figure all the time.

Yeah but most know it's wring so it will have turned some informed voters towards remain. Whereas if they had quoted the actual, not insignificant figure, a lot of people would have had second thoughts. Missed opportunity to allow people to make an informed decision based on facts much like most of this ridiculous farce.

Honestly I wish they just wouldn't be allowed to campaign, the rules on this type of thing should be "no politician is allowed to campaign until this is over, the facts on these topics should be presented by an independent panel and folks can make up their minds from there"
 
Got to the polling station a few minutes before it opened, 3 of us queued. Saw them seal the ballot box and put my vote in. When I left the queue must have been 30 deep at 7:05am. Hoping for a good turnout, but that was probably just the pre-work rush.
 
Did you vote in the European Parliament Election in 2014, because an overwhelming 64% of the eligible voters in the UK didn't.
It's hilarious to me that this is a complaint when people at large don't even use the voice given to them only to complain about not being heard.

And 27% of the people who did vote, voted for UKIP so they've elected 24 MEPs on a salary of £78,000 (before expenses) who don't even want to engage with the parliament they were elected to.
 
Put my vote in.

Please England, do the right thing.

phisheep is right, we can easily re-visit our stance on the EU if something dramatic changes, but we will more than likely never get the power we have now back if we left today.

The modern world has globalisation at its very core, it's a backwards step to isolate. You can say what you like about Britain 'getting good deals' but it seems to ignore one very important factor: human nature. The EU will be salty and prickly if a Leave vote happens, and you bet they'll make petty concessions that will take away the much vaunted power you desire, even if it theoretically hurts them in the short/medium term.

We're one of the three most powerful nations in the EU, and we mostly get our way. The Leave campaign have been woefully dishonest about this, we are not a little baby nation that gets constantly ignored.

The EU has great worker and consumer protections, and the free movement is an incredible thing that allows us to think big when it comes to careers and leisure. Yes, immigration is problematic for low-skilled jobs, but to be completely honest, these jobs are on a time limit anyway, since they'll be the first to be automated by robotics when it becomes possible. It's a reality that we'll have to face. Hopefully the governments from now until that point make the transition as smooth as possible for the people in these jobs, but curbing immigration is a temporary solution to a critical problem. On the other end of the job market, immigration is crucial to helping our public services in a time of austerity which is causing brain drain and curbing people from entering further education/specialized training.

I believe it's never the solution to ignore working together, true politics is compromise. It's not throwing the toys out the pram. I voted Remain.

If you are unsure, I hope you either vote Remain or research enough before the day is out to come to a solid conclusion for voting Leave.

Please vote though, it's always good to see high turnouts.
 
People will blame project fear but fact is Leave keep telling us they are about 'hope' and 'positive' but they've dived into nothing but negative for weeks now. They have done nothing near what Yes did to build support and their arguments are too often not backed up by fact.

I mean why state 350M when it's less than that but still significant.

The gist of their argument when asked whats going to happen is "I'll tell you what's not going to happen..." then some attack against remain.
 
Aligning the leave vote to racism needs to stop FFS. This is why I don't like to discuss/read about politics on NeoGAF, some of you get so single minded. I'm voting leave. I'm not a racist.

There was a good quote a while ago, not sure who said it mind.

"Not every person voting leave is a racist. But every racist will vote leave"
 
There was a good quote a while ago, not sure who said it mind.

"Not every person voting leave is a racist. But every racist will vote leave"

Is it really a good quote though? Because while it implies that people willingly align themselves with racists, that's not necessarily (and often certainly not) the case. It dismisses the often real concerns of people, regardless of whether I agree with all of them or not (I don't for the most part, but I do on some).
 
There was a good quote a while ago, not sure who said it mind.

"Not every person voting leave is a racist. But every racist will vote leave"

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Glancing at the Guardian... why is 'bad weather' considered to be bad for turnout? 'Bad weather' means it's raining, not that 30 inches of snow are blocking people in their homes, or tornados are everywhere.

It depresses me that people's voices won't be heard because they're too lazy to fish the brolly out of the cupboard.
 
Put my vote in.

Please England, do the right thing.

phisheep is right, we can easily re-visit our stance on the EU if something dramatic changes, but we will more than likely never get the power we have now back if we left today.

The modern world has globalisation at its very core, it's a backwards step to isolate. You can say what you like about Britain 'getting good deals' but it seems to ignore one very important factor: human nature. The EU will be salty and prickly if a Leave vote happens, and you bet they'll make petty concessions that will take away the much vaunted power you desire, even if it theoretically hurts them in the short/medium term.

We're one of the three most powerful nations in the EU, and we mostly get our way. The Leave campaign have been woefully dishonest about this, we are not a little baby nation that gets constantly ignored.

The EU has great worker and consumer protections, and the free movement is an incredible thing that allows us to think big when it comes to careers and leisure. Yes, immigration is problematic for low-skilled jobs, but to be completely honest, these jobs are on a time limit anyway, since they'll be the first to be automated by robotics when it becomes possible. It's a reality that we'll have to face. Hopefully the governments from now until that point make the transition as smooth as possible for the people in these jobs, but curbing immigration is a temporary solution to a critical problem. On the other end of the job market, immigration is crucial to helping our public services in a time of austerity which is causing brain drain and curbing people from entering further education/specialized training.

I believe it's never the solution to ignore working together, true politics is compromise. It's not throwing the toys out the pram. I voted Remain.

If you are unsure, I hope you either vote Remain or research enough before the day is out to come to a solid conclusion for voting Leave.

Please vote though, it's always good to see high turnouts.

I hope the majority of the UK sees this the same. Europe is looking at you and we hope that the UK stays in the EU.
 
Only one other person in the polling station. Now I'm going to be at work far too early!

Voted Leave

There was two at my station, one being interviewed at the door after coming out and another walking in as I voted.

Better than the scottish elections at least, by a whole 1 extra person!
 
Christ Facebook is a disaster this morning. I hate those posts that use famous people as a means to decide your vote - look the leader of ISIS says Britian should leave the EU!! But Remain have Obama!! Shut up. Vote on facts not personalities.
And the posts that start with 'I'm not going to tell you which way to vote' which always have a 'but...'
 
And that's the thing that I dislike most about this referendum and referendums in general. You're generally offered a choice between either fully in or fully out. There's no room for nuance like there is with a general election. There's no compromise, there's no ifs or buts. I think a lot of Britons are not necessarily opposed to the EU even if they disagree with parts of it or how it is run. They're however not given an option to say what they do want, they're only given an option to see whether they want the status quo or the abandonment of European cooperation. I'm sure some people are fine with the options provided, but I'd like to imagine most are not quite so black and white.

As I've mentioned before, the fact that you're only given a yes/no vote is also part of the reason the debate becomes so charged. Even if you're torn but end up going with one side or another, you're voting for the same thing that the people most fanatically supporting that side are. Someone who has some concerns about how the EU is run, but likes the idea of it in general, yet ends up voting leave is automatically on the same side as ultranationalists and racists. This was such an awful idea.

I agree mostly with what you said. Except the last sentence. Separate to that, polls are for opinions; referendums are to give the public a choice that will fundamentally change the country.
I'd rather have a simple choice so as to allow as wide a participation as possible.
 
Well, I just went and Broted. Bremain won out and I voted for us to Bray in the EU. Branks to Breveryone who made this thread so Brun and Brentertaining over the past month or two, and to Quiche for Brorganising it all!

We've laughed. We've cried. We've argued over mundanities and tangentially related irrelevancies. What do we have to fight about now?!
 
Oh dear.

I am fretting like an old woman here, which is silly. I know I am going to vote, I know which way I am going to vote, I know exactly why I am going to vote that way, and the polling station is less than a minute's walk away.

But, I guess because this is the most important vote of my life so far - and the most important that I expect ever to vote in - I am polishing my shoes, ironing my tie, cleaning my hat, pressing my trousers before I go out. Like I'm getting ready for Sunday school as a kid.

Be glad when it is over.
 
Two more for Remain.

My partner and I just handed our ballots in.

I read through the whole thing about three times just to make absolutely sure I didn't do it wrong lol
 
I've been following this thread since the beginning, but have never had anything to contribute to the discussion.

I feel like I need to wish us all good luck...today has me genuinely worried.
 
But the party have aligned themselves with that line though...

You're right. Not everyone who is voting leave is a racist, but when the leave side frames the debate specifically around immigration and has Farage at the forefront, how do you expect people to react?

Regardless of how the leave party have framed it, people are voting for various reasons. Also, voting LEAVE because you want the country to have more control over borders is not necessarily racist. People need to understand this instead of painting with the big brush.
 
Oh dear.

I am fretting like an old woman here, which is silly. I know I am going to vote, I know which way I am going to vote, I know exactly why I am going to vote that way, and the polling station is less than a minute's walk away.

But, I guess because this is the most important vote of my life so far - and the most important that I expect ever to vote in - I am polishing my shoes, ironing my tie, cleaning my hat, pressing my trousers before I go out. Like I'm getting ready for Sunday school as a kid.

Be glad when it is over.

I'm going wearing ripped jeans and a dirty shirt, covered in paint (painting the conversion today, polling station is across the road)
 
Oh dear.

I am fretting like an old woman here, which is silly. I know I am going to vote, I know which way I am going to vote, I know exactly why I am going to vote that way, and the polling station is less than a minute's walk away.

But, I guess because this is the most important vote of my life so far - and the most important that I expect ever to vote in - I am polishing my shoes, ironing my tie, cleaning my hat, pressing my trousers before I go out. Like I'm getting ready for Sunday school as a kid.

Be glad when it is over.

I was so sleepy when I got there, I have this overwhelming dread that I accidentally voted for leave. Which I know I didn't, but because of all this bullshit, what if I did?

If leave wins, it better be by more than one vote, dammit!
 
Oh dear.

I am fretting like an old woman here, which is silly. I know I am going to vote, I know which way I am going to vote, I know exactly why I am going to vote that way, and the polling station is less than a minute's walk away.

But, I guess because this is the most important vote of my life so far - and the most important that I expect ever to vote in - I am polishing my shoes, ironing my tie, cleaning my hat, pressing my trousers before I go out. Like I'm getting ready for Sunday school as a kid.

Be glad when it is over.
Weirdly, I got up extra early so that I could properly groom myself just to walk two minutes up the road and vote at a polling station that never gets busy. I have no idea why.

I'm now sat at home waiting for training to start, and will try and focus on my training today rather than worry about the result tomorrow.

I was so sleepy when I got there, I have this overwhelming dread that I accidentally voted for leave. Which I know I didn't, but because of all this bullshit, what if I did?

If leave wins, it better be by more than one vote, dammit!
Heh, I had to read and re-read the paper despite it being basically impossible to get wrong.
 
I agree mostly with what you said. Except the last sentence. Separate to that, polls are for opinions; referendums are to give the public a choice that will fundamentally change the country.
I'd rather have a simple choice so as to allow as wide a participation as possible.

When an issue is anything but simple, I think there is little merit in trying to force it into a simple yes or no choice. Demagogues and fearmongers have done enough to remove nuance from political debates as it is, I'd rather not help them put the final nail in the coffin.
 
There was a good quote a while ago, not sure who said it mind.

"Not every person voting leave is a racist. But every racist will vote leave"

Not every person voting remain is happy with the crushing of democracy through tyrannical economic force in Greece. But everyone who is will vote remain.

That's just as stupid, really.
 
Regardless of how the party have framed it, people are voting for various reasons. Also, voting LEAVE because you want the country to have more control over borders is not necessarily racist. People need to understand this instead of painting with the big brush.

My biggest concern with Leave is that although there are actually decent arguments for Leaving the EU, the fuckwits in charge of the Leave campaign would be the ones implementing the policies and that scares the shit out of me.
 
Regardless of how the party have framed it, people are voting for various reasons. Also, voting LEAVE because you want the country to have more control over borders is not necessarily racist. People need to understand this instead of painting with the big brush.

Urgh. This is so frustrating. Believe me. We get it. We really do. You ask for nuance and give nothing in return.
 
Regardless of how the party have framed it, people are voting for various reasons. Also, voting LEAVE because you want the country to have more control over borders is not necessarily racist. People need to understand this instead of painting with the big brush.

Immigration isn't a problem though.

Anyone who has a problem with immigration isn't listening to the facts and clearly has some form of xenophobia backing up their view.
 
Just voted, polling station humming with people who had quite clearly never voted before in their lives.

This is good as it will result in a high turnout and legitimacy for whoever wins. It also shows that democracy may not quite be dead in the UK.

GO BREMAIN!!!!!
 
Just voted, polling station humming with people who had quite clearly never voted before in their lives.

This is good as it will result in a high turnout and legitimacy for whoever wins. It also shows that democracy may not quite be dead in the UK.

GO BREMAIN!!!!!

Higher turnout is definitely bad news for Remain.
 
I was so sleepy when I got there, I have this overwhelming dread that I accidentally voted for leave. Which I know I didn't, but because of all this bullshit, what if I did?

If leave wins, it better be by more than one vote, dammit!

I actually unfolded my slip after putting my cross down just to check I didn't cock it up, or hadn't been tricked by misleading text on the form.

The paranoia is real friend.
 
When an issue is anything but simple, I think there is little merit in trying to force it into a simple yes or no choice. Demagogues and fearmongers have done enough to remove nuance from political debates as it is, I'd rather not help them put the final nail in the coffin.

Fair enough. I will note that had it been debated in Parliament, Remain would be at 75%. 1.1% not declared. Press Association poll.
That's 480 MPs voting Remain.
 
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