Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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No idea. I vote in person because the voting station is an easy, short walk away and it's open all day so it's no major fuss for me :3

In my case I literally walk right past the front of my polling station on the way to and from the bus stop. If I can't get to the polling station, I can't get home.
 
No matter what happens today I hope we as a global community never lose the legitimate delightfulness and brilliance of bBritish slang.

It's my favorite thing.

My favourite thing is it isn't really slang, just a slightly shortened form of an English word that is over 700 years old! :P (Chokkeful, which changed into the phrase "Chock full", and from that to "Chokka").
 
"A well known blog"

Lmao, GeenStijl is a fucking joke and so was that entire "referendum". They spend most of their time posting videos of high school kids fighting and trying to be edgy. A convincing 61% because only the dumb, ignorant baboons who vote Wilders showed up. Don't try to press that joke referendum and GeenStijl as something with actual credibility.

Then I don't know perhaps the intelligent, well informed higher evolved primates that DON'T vote for Wilders could do something incredibly radical like ,,,, oh I don't know hmm how about "VOTE".

You were given an opportunity to influence an aspect of your lives, if some chose to ignore it that is their fault.
 
Just went to vote in Islington (I actually recently moved to Corbyn's constituency). Saw 10+ Remain posters in people's houses on the short walk there. Even though its late it was still pretty busy there.

Interestingly, the guy who was running the place got off the phone and asked some of the volunteers if they'd be willing to stay till 12 when I was getting my ballot. Could be nothing but it might be related to all the tube lines being fucked, maybe they're extending voting? Dunno if that's even allowed. Regardless, thought it might be worth relaying.
 
"A well known blog"

Lmao, GeenStijl is a fucking joke and so was that entire "referendum". They spend most of their time posting videos of high school kids fighting and trying to be edgy. A convincing 61% because only the dumb, ignorant baboons who vote Wilders showed up. Don't try to press that joke referendum and GeenStijl as something with actual credibility.
just because you don't like the outcome of something doesn't make it a joke
unless I missed something everyone that is eligible was allowed to vote, if some people didn't bother to that's not the fault of those that did
 
For me voting in person on the day is partly tradition, but mostly the thrill of the chase - much like watching sports live rather than recorded, or playing cards for money rather than matchsticks.

Voting early before the campaign ends is like reviewing a movie you have only half watched.

Besides, as you know, I like to have serious chats with people during the campaign so that I can maybe persuade them and maybe they can persuade me and anyway we can learn each others' perspectives. It would seem to me to be cheating to do that after having already cast a definitive vote myself.

I enjoy the ritual of voting in person. Plus I work from home and my polling station is 5 minutes walk away, no need to worry about not getting over there
 
I met this cat on the way back from the polling station.
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It tried to follow me home but its owner came along and berated it for wandering off.

This day has been a rollercoaster.
MI5 cat with its handler. Trust no one.
 
Just went to vote in Islington (I actually recently moved to Corbyn's constituency). Saw 10+ Remain posters in people's houses on the short walk there. Even though its late it was still pretty busy there.

Interestingly, the guy who was running the place got off the phone and asked some of the volunteers if they'd be willing to stay till 12 when I was getting my ballot. Could be nothing but it might be related to all the tube lines being fucked, maybe they're extending voting? Dunno if that's even allowed. Regardless, thought it might be worth relaying.

The tube lines were fine in Islington today. Did something happen?
 
It won't be the same without the british.
Europe is a collection of bizarre, cluncky states, comparable to a real-life sitcom, proofing every day that prejudices are just truth painted with a bigger brush. But in the end they all stick together and I just love that.
I don't care so much for economical reasons, I just want to keep my european freak union. And GB always was an important part of it.

#DontForgetNI
 
I can easily see Leave winning by a big margin

Exactly how do you see Leave winning by a big margin "easily"?

I'd honestly be surprised if leave won, let alone by a big margin. I personally feel it's mostly likely to be a close remain win. Everyone I've talked to mostly lean towards leave with only a small few really being remain, but I've learned long ago not to be fooled by my own anecdotal evidence :P

Besides, a lot of people have been swayed by the fear of economic ruination that keeps going around. I guess a lot of people forgot that the same kind of predictions were made about not joining the Euro, yet we seem to have been miraculously fine by not jumping on that.
 
I'm honestly baffled why Migration even comes up in the referendum discussions. Britain isn't part of the shengen area so it's not like being in the EU is really hampering our ability to control our borders much anyhoo and if we left and wanted to still trade with the european central market we'd have to agree to open borders anyhoo as that's one of the central parts of any deal to be involved with it.
As such, I'm kind of surprised that Farage, or anyone against immigration, is in favour of leave :P

I think it's a combination of things: resentment at migrants, political ignorance, years of not focusing on the issue/using it as a focal point of political action (dependent on the party), genuine and honest misunderstanding, racism (not always, certainly, before you Leavers start bleating, but it's undeniably a factor) etc etc.
 
For me voting in person on the day is partly tradition, but mostly the thrill of the chase - much like watching sports live rather than recorded, or playing cards for money rather than matchsticks.

Voting early before the campaign ends is like reviewing a movie you have only half watched.

Besides, as you know, I like to have serious chats with people during the campaign so that I can maybe persuade them and maybe they can persuade me and anyway we can learn each others' perspectives. It would seem to me to be cheating to do that after having already cast a definitive vote myself.

Exactly. Who pre-books a prostitute? Part of the fun is watching them parade in front of you, working out whose dirty glances are legitimate and who will let you pop a finger in their bum.

What you do in that booth is entirely up to you.
 
Exactly how do you see Leave winning by a big margin "easily"?

From my anecdotal evidence, 'Leave' areas seem to be heavily leave, while 'Remain' areas are largely very marginal. Wouldn't surprise me to see 80%+ for Brexit in some areas (Westcountry, Essex, Midlands, North-East).
 
Because I have the opinion that more people in our country will vote leave than remain, sadly.

No facts, no evidence, it was just an opinion

Same. They are emotionally invested. Every leave voter I've encountered in person has told me point blank they don't care about the facts, it's emotional for them
 
I'm been stuck in public transport on the way home. Been trying to get home to vote since 5:30. I usually take the rail to get back but with flooding and tree on the track all that is cancelled for foreseeable future. I had to get on the bus. The bus! I hate busses! Sloooooowly making it somewhere where someone can pick me up or I can take a taxi that doesn't end up costing me an absolute fortune.

What a day for the referendum! Will I make it in time? I know that my vote will be the deciding one! Gotta make it!
 
I think it's a combination of things: resentment at migrants, political ignorance, years of not focusing on the issue/using it as a focal point of political action (dependent on the party), genuine and honest misunderstanding, racism (not always, certainly, before you Leavers start bleating, but it's undeniably a factor) etc etc.
Yeah but leaving could actually mean we have LESS control over our borders if we want to continue trading with countries within the EU block, not more XD
I feel it's all moot anyhoo, though, as the vast majority of immigrants are from outside the EU anyhoo and as such their ability to get in or not is completely under the UK's control whether we're in or out.

I just feel like immigration is about as relevant to this referendum as what everyone's favourite colour of parrot is :/
 
Those voting Leave come off as self-centered, selfish people that don't give a shit about anyone else. It's like Trump supporters invaded England and have convinced themselves that screwing the rest of the world is going to fix everything.

And those are the nice ones.

I pull no punches with this. No matter your personal reasons for voting leave, based on the Current lack of planning, foresight or vision about what would happen if we would leave the EU I take a dim view of each and every leave voter.

There is nothing wrong with wanting, hell demanding, a change in the system as it is, there is not even anything wrong with wanting a Brexit in principle, but the handwaving approach that amounts to "oh we will work out the details later" disgusts and frightens me.

The leave have run on the back of basically "keep the brown people out" and "this system that I haven't taken time to even understand is doing things I don't like, which have benefits I haven't taken the time to see".

It smacks of a fundamental lack of understanding of commerce, immigration, business, laws, politics and the global economy as it stands in 2016. It's tabloid governance, respecting the voice that shouts the loudest and simplest.

It's nostalgia of a time that never existed, but gave the illusion of a "British" identity by politicians that did not have the scrutiny that the 24/7 news cycle has created, coupled with the instant dissemination of information that the internet and social media have enabled.

Finally it is a political tool, used those on the far right to grab more power, convincing the uniformed that the problems that they are experiencing are not caused by a lack of investment and support, but actually cause by some outside entity and this perfect neat solution of leaving the EU will somehow make everything better. The worse type of con, because regradless of the outcome of tonight's vote, the association has been made for people disinterested to seek out the truth and research for themselves.

I'm sure there are members here who will take offence at my comments and I respect their right to feel differently. But based on what I have observed these last few months from the sidelines has helped me form this opinion. Agree or don't, this is where I stand.
 
Got a funny (and rather depressing) story from my Grandad when he went to go vote, he ended up talking to a woman who was voting Leave.

Woman: I'm voting Leave to stop all these asylum seekers from coming into the country.
Grandad: That won't make a difference to the number of asylum seekers, they're not from the EU. Do you think Polish people are asylum seekers?
Woman: Well yeah!

SMH.
 
I trust these financial bods running their own exit polls are still working, and shit would be happening by now with only an hour and a half to go.
 
It's actually sad to see so many real Twitter accounts parrot the pen argument. A lot of it coming from fully grown adults as well.

What a time to be alive.
 
The Dutch leaders not following the will of their voters seems like a 100% Dutch problem.
It is not a Dutch problem, it is interlinked with EU membership, influenced by the EU politics.
I don’t consider this to be wrong or right, just a given due to the nature of the EU and how it is organized. Do you recall what happened to the previous Dutch, French and more recently Irish referendum votes? Feel free to search on prior referenda and perhaps you’ll see why this is not a national issue.

So, how is that directly the EU's fault?
See above

This is a perfect example how a national issue is blamed on EU. Like many of the national/local issues around EU.
See above

Thanks for posting this. It's essentially what our Leave campaigners have been saying over the last few weeks (or years in UKIPs case). Nice to hear an outside voice.
Indeed, it is good to read different perspectives, seen many comments in this topic that made me question my own rationale / thinking

Thank you for the link, I understand we have a representative democracy where a government makes choices on our behalf due to being elected. Fair enough, not sure what your point is unfortunately.

p.s. vote for geert, he says what he means!!!
No, I would personally never vote for that man / party
Haha, what a bunch of bullshit. Referendum with 32% of people showing up - so much for a "convincing" number. Pushed forward by a group that was interested in lining their own pocket and committing what was basically fraud to my eyes. One they themselves admitted just picked the first subject available instead of really caring about it, to make use of a new law. Which was made by an issue that the referendum itself wasn't even about. A referendum that was only for advice, and the government was free to push it aside.

If we had shown up in the numbers that are now seemingly showing up in the UK (70-80%) then they'd had a case. Now, not so much. People actively ignored the referendum so it wouldn't go passed the 30% tress hold. It barely did. And even then the difference wasn't that overwhelming.

And that post is by GeenStijl, a right wing blog that has a clear agenda. One that was started by a group of people who just liked to create a mess and kick against everything. And when they smelled money at the public broadcasting sector, they turned on everything they for years were against, to then make the cheapest shows possible and get that fine public broadcasting money. Fine bunch that is.
Quite an emotional post. I merely posted that message, did not pass any value judgement on it. If we stick to the facts > a non-binding-referendum was arranged according to the law > only valid votes counted during the referendum day count > 61% said no > no decision made by the government as off yet.

"A well known blog"

Lmao, GeenStijl is a fucking joke and so was that entire "referendum". They spend most of their time posting videos of high school kids fighting and trying to be edgy. A convincing 61% because only the dumb, ignorant baboons who vote Wilders showed up. Don't try to press that joke referendum and GeenStijl as something with actual credibility.
Indeed, it is a well know blog, you’ve heard about them too it seems. If I would have tried to press that “joke referendum” (which was held according to the law) as something with actual credibility, I would have done so like you do in your post, lots of emotions whereas I merely posted this as it is linked to the current Brexit referendum.
 
And those are the nice ones.

I pull no punches with this. No matter your personal reasons for voting leave, based on the Current lack of planning, foresight or vision about what would happen if we would leave the EU I take a dim view of each and every remain voter.

You meant to say Leave here I think?
 
The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or is it because those people are often the most vocal?
 
Those voting Leave come off as self-centered, selfish people that don't give a shit about anyone else.

It could be argued that the remain supporters are the "self centred, selfish people that don't give a shit about anyone else". In my travels I haven't met very many remain people that want to be in the European Union. They are only voting remain cos they like all the cushy benefits that come with being in the Union, they don't care if they are holding the EU back all they care about is access to the Single Market. I dunno that sounds pretty selfish to me.
 
The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or just a ace of that side of things often being the most vocal?
They're just louder. It's the same with all those people who get outraged over """outrage culture""" who end up being much more disruptive and annoying than the people they're supposedly complaining about lol.
 
Someone a few days ago said that if leave wins then Cameron will go down as the worst PM since Eden.

If remain wins then where do people think he will rank in post-war PMs, considering he will have shored up the future of the UK within Europe and won 2 of the most crucial referendums imaginable?
 
The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or is it because those people are often the most vocal?

seeing as they made the #penspiracy argument I think they are more vocal
 
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