Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

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The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or is it because those people are often the most vocal?

In the US we saw the same kind of disparity between Bernie and Hillary supporters on Twitter, yet Hillary still won. I wouldn't try to read anything into it.
 
The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or is it because those people are often the most vocal?

Just like the_Donald was constantly on top of reddit, Brexiters are just very vocal.
 
Someone a few days ago said that if leave wins then Cameron will go down as the worst PM since Eden.

If remain wins then where do people think he will rank in post-war PMs, considering he will have shored up the future of the UK within Europe and won 2 of the most crucial referendums imaginable?

Well, given that he called an unnecessary referendum to win votes from the far right, I wouldn't give him much credit.
 
Someone a few days ago said that if leave wins then Cameron will go down as the worst PM since Eden.

If remain wins then where do people think he will rank in post-war PMs, considering he will have shored up the future of the UK within Europe and won 2 of the most crucial referendums imaginable?

He will go down as the man who tore the Tory party a new one.
 
The hashtag #IVoteLeave has about 20k tweets now as opposed to #IVoteRemain with around 1k. Should we be concerned, or is it because those people are often the most vocal?

According to the BBC use of those hashtags may be a crime. So yeah, we should be concerned about criminal leave voters.

While the polls are open, it is a criminal offence for anyone, not just broadcasters, to publish anything about the way in which people have voted in the referendum,

(Can't be bothered to look up the actual law on this though.)
 
Waterloo Station 10 minutes ago a while ago

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https://twitter.com/huffpostukpol/status/746064050241437697
 
And those are the nice ones.

I pull no punches with this. No matter your personal reasons for voting leave, based on the Current lack of planning, foresight or vision about what would happen if we would leave the EU I take a dim view of each and every leave voter.

There is nothing wrong with wanting, hell demanding, a change in the system as it is, there is not even anything wrong with wanting a Brexit in principle, but the handwaving approach that amounts to "oh we will work out the details later" disgusts and frightens me.

The leave have run on the back of basically "keep the brown people out" and "this system that I haven't taken time to even understand is doing things I don't like, which have benefits I haven't taken the time to see".

It smacks of a fundamental lack of understanding of commerce, immigration, business, laws, politics and the global economy as it stands in 2016. It's tabloid governance, respecting the voice that shouts the loudest and simplest.

It's nostalgia of a time that never existed, but gave the illusion of a "British" identity by politicians that did not have the scrutiny that the 24/7 news cycle has created, coupled with the instant dissemination of information that the internet and social media have enabled.

Finally it is a political tool, used those on the far right to grab more power, convincing the uniformed that the problems that they are experiencing are not caused by a lack of investment and support, but actually cause by some outside entity and this perfect neat solution of leaving the EU will somehow make everything better. The worse type of con, because regradless of the outcome of tonight's vote, the association has been better for people disinterested to seek out the truth and research for themselves.

I'm sure there are members here who will take offence at my comments and I respect their right to feel differently. But based on what I have observed these last few months from the sidelines has helped me form this opinion. Agree or don't, this is where I stand.
I'm not offended, just disappointed. I often feel like someone's comments on what they view as a 'collective' says more about themselves than the 'group' they're trying to demean, personally :3

I'd argue there's no point in making big plans before the vote because article 50 of the lisbon treaty, which we'd be using to actually do the exit, necessitates a 2 year period of negotiation so it'd be in flux during that period anyhoo as the EU and UK work out the details between themselves, a period that the EU can extend ad infinium if they don't like the current way it's going. It's funny but we could choose to leave the EU, enact the lisbon treaty and still be stuck in the EU for countless years afterwards if the EU heads desire it :/ Because no country has ever actually used article 50 it's all a bit airy, vague and completely untested.
 
Lazy bastards, get thee to Frankfurt.

Hehe only if it's Leave (it won't be)

Anecdotally and take this however you want, but this 'The Big Global Financials are super secret conducting exit polls of sorts continually right now' line of thinking...the big Global Financial I work for aren't doing jack at this exact moment in time.

I know the guy (gal actually) who would probably know and beyond having a team on call, its fairly BAU right now (in context as much as it could be).

No ninja conspiracy polling. All projections and contingencies have been done a while back.
 
According to the BBC use of those hashtags may be a crime. So yeah, we should be concerned about criminal leave voters.



(Can't be bothered to look up the actual law on this though.)

Wouldn't that be you couldn't tell people how I voted but I could?

Edit: I'm probably wrong too.
 
Things like this are why I will never live in London. That kind of crowd is my worst nightmare, especially. I do feel for all the people trapped there though, I can imagine how frustrating it must be.

In fairness the weather has played havoc here - taken me about 3 hours to go 45 minutes worth of distance so far.
 
Things like this is why I will never live in London. That kind of crowd is my worst nightmare, especially. I do feel for all the people trapped there though, I can imagine how frustrating it must be.

I've visited London a few times for EGX, and yeah, it is brutal. I guess if you've always lived there you are used to it, but it is genuinely madness and hard to navigate.

Not for me. While it's awesome how much there is to do in London, fuck living anywhere central. Not only for prices, but that sort of commotion.
 
When are we expecting the results/%'s to start rolling in? Will we hear anytime tonight or is it going to be in the wee hours of the morning?
 
Senior ministers and MPs will attempt to calm the markets tonight by backing David Cameron to stay in office even if he loses the referendum.

A Save Dave operation to shore up the Prime Minister’s position and avert a currency collapse is also backed by senior MPs in the Leave campaign.

A procession of loyalists are primed to appear on TV and radio as soon as the polls close at 10pm to say there is no need for a messy leadership contest, regardless of the result.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...o-save-dave-if-pm-loses-eu-poll-a3279046.html
 
Good spot!!

Makes me feel a bit better.

London Bridge station looks like it still has people but not as much.


I'm going to France in July, I don't want my holiday to consist of me having to keep saying "Je suis vraiment désolé. J'ai voté pour rester"
 
Someone a few days ago said that if leave wins then Cameron will go down as the worst PM since Eden.

If remain wins then where do people think he will rank in post-war PMs, considering he will have shored up the future of the UK within Europe and won 2 of the most crucial referendums imaginable?

Not only that, but he got a Tory majority on the back of austerity and a second term.
 
I had an irrational hatred moment earlier when they were talking about important MP's voting and they said Michael Gove sent a postal vote but still turned up to a polling station.

WHY
 
In fairness the weather has played havoc here - taken me about 3 hours to go 45 minutes worth of distance so far.

Yeah, it is a unique situation. But like Audioboxer said, it's the commotion and sheer size of the place that turns me off it. I've lived all my life in either small towns or villages so going to London in February with my family was a major culture shock. Being surrounded by buildings larger than anything in my home town made me feel so claustrophobic.

Though I can see the benefits. So much the UK's history, arts and events are in London and so are a lot of the jobs.
 
Starting to feel the fear, what if we are out?

I'm dreading the results.

No matter the results, life will go on and the world will keep on turning. It's too easy to get stuck in the mindset that this is a huge thing and if it goes against what you thought was correct the world will end... but it won't. It never has. When it came back 'no' on the scottish referendum I knew we'd be ruled by the Tories and had a feeling of panic overwhelm me as I imagined Cameron and co riding the UK into the ground, a party I didn't elect and knew scotland as a whole couldn't stop as we don't have enough polling power combined to prevent it (proven by the general election) Yet, I'm still here and alive and the country isn't a smoking crater.

I think it's important to try and keep a sense of scale in mind as it's easy to get carried away in big votes like this :3
 
Hehe only if it's Leave (it won't be)

Anecdotally and take this however you want, but this 'The Big Global Financials are super secret conducting exit polls of sorts continually right now' line of thinking...the big Global Financial I work for aren't doing jack at this exact moment in time.

I know the guy (gal actually) who would probably know and beyond having a team on call, its fairly BAU right now (in context as much as it could be).



No ninja conspiracy polling. All projections and contingencies have been done a while back.


So I'm unlikely to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from London, I'm going to try and be positive.
 
I did walk through Waterloo station an hour ago and it was proper rammed. Very few trains running. But it probably won't change much: there's gonna at least be 40% of Leave voters there too, potentially going to miss their vote, so it'll make a very tiny difference and I believe it won't swing the outcome. Same goes for any other major station with people temporarily stranded.

Waterloo is no ordinary station. And London is thought to be Remain central so that is a shame. Hopefully the Scots save us.
 
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