Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

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Anth1888 said:
I know the apparent Murdoch Sky bullshit but Sky for me are breaking all the news before the BBC on the polls, Cameron letter, Farage, currency. They are much better than the BBC on live coverage
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The Bbc need to be impartial and can't jump to conclusions, the need to wait to make sure they reports facts. sky wI'll mostly report first and then get the facts and then if they get it wrong update.
 
Ipsos MORI (#EUref on the day):

REMAIN 54 (+2)
LEAVE 46 (-2)

Changes vs earlier today
*** ALSO NOT AN EXIT POLL ***
#Brexit #EUreferendum
 
Geminosity said:
Now that you mention it, I'm suddenly aware that I don't know enough about the process required to remove article 50. I need to do some more reading methinks :3

I'm curious how we could reform it when it's resisted pretty much all attempts by the UK to change it in any meaningful way up until now. I don't expect it's monolithic nature to change :/
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The thing is EU is constantly forming, it's a very slow process but it is happening.

If you want reform there are two major components to it: Who forms your government and which parties are in power in the European parliament.

The most important in this equation is the national governments, and with it the heads of state. They represent the countries and only they can change the treaties and they hold the most power in that regard, please do also note that all these treaties have to be ratified by national parliaments. In that regard your vote in national elections also has a major effect on the EU.

Now the European parliament doesn't have that power, but it has influence on legislation within the boundaries of the treaties. The MEP's in the parliament are grouped in political groups like in national parliaments. At the moment the largest group is the conservative EPP and the second largest is the center-left S&D, after that comes the ECR, then ALDE, Gue-NGL, Green-EFA and so on. How the power is distributed between the groups affects what kind of legislation comes out. Also, the largest group gets to nominate their lead candidate as the president of the European commission.

Please note that EU only has the power it's been given by the member countries in the primary treaties.
 
Right, I can't do this any more. Off to bed, hoping to wake and find out that the UK has literally, physically moved southwards and is now a part of Normandy.
 
spuckthew said:
How come your political views differ so much?
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Well I don't suppose that's a hot topic of conversation for new love is it!? And once you are in love, things like that don't matter.

My wife and I are in agreement on this one. but we are usually a mile apart with politics.
 
Geminosity said:
Ultimately, however, I feel the larger the organisation, the higher level it's rules should be. I'm all for it coming up with agreed rules on simple human rights like not allowing people to kill each other outside of self-defence but we shouldn't have something like the EU making 109 regulations on how we specifically create pillows for example, that's just a bit too meddling for my tastes :P
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Yeah I agree, that's why the UK is facing pillow shortages, the unbearable regulatory pressure of the 109 regulations you found out about from a Leave commercial are bankrupting all the Mum n Pop pillow makers. The worst part is Brown People don't even have any regulations on their Halal pillows. Y'all should move to America. Instead of Jaffa Cakes, people here sleep on pillows. Just one of the many ways Europe isn't free. Next thing you know you won't even being able to get good chips because those Eurocrats from Brussels are going to ban malt vinegar.
 
JonathanEx said:
Well for the last election I made this dumb website to make your own Jeremy Vine graphic
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Stumpokapow said:
Yeah I agree, that's why the UK is facing pillow shortages, the unbearable regulatory pressure of the 109 regulations you found out about from a Leave commercial are bankrupting all the Mum n Pop pillow makers. Y'all should move to America. Instead of Jaffa Cakes, people here sleep on pillows. Just one of the many ways Europe isn't free.
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And that was debunked on channel 4
 
Walshicus said:
Generally the EU will create rules on, say, manufacturing processes in order to address public health concerns. I think there just aren't many laws from Europe that can't be easily defended once the context is known. I kind of like not being poisoned.

Other times they're taking 28 different national standards and replacing them with one, too make it easier for the Single Market to operate. Which is the kind of thing the previous generation in this country say they *did* sign up for.



Like I say, no human organisation is perfect, but I just think we're better focusing on our own problem with the House of Lords before going after EU procedural reform.
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If all the regulations were indeed just avoiding toxic products I'd be fine, but I REALLY don't think we need regulation requiring certain battery compartments to need a screwdriver to open :/
The bigger issue for, again, is the slow introduction of control rather than regulation. Things like the new regulations they're adding for 'diversity' which amount to thoughtcrime rules or Juncker saying he'd block out Austria if they voted for the parties he didn't like. I may not like the Austrian freedom party either, but you shouldn't be telling a country they can't vote unless it's a vote you agree with.

I don't think getting out of the EU in the hopes of either a new one forming or the existing one perhaps actually changing when they realise it can't just trundle on without consequence suddenly means we're approving of the house of lords or ignoring them for that matter. I do wish someone would do something about them though, it's a preposterous part of our governing system that should really have been nuked long ago or reformed :/
 
Carl said:
If Boston was anywhere other than first place, i'd be shocked lol
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I had someone using Boston as a point of argument in this referendum. Citing their murder rate and immigrant rate and essentially saying 'see, see!'

I kind of remember the place always having a reputation way before mass immigration.
 
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