Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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Why so confident?

There is always a possibility that leave can win until it has decided.

My 'certainty' comes from the fact that voting ended over an hour ago. The result has happened. It is set. And following this, all markets point to a win, and not even close.

One of the main leave supporters accepted that remain win.

If I'm wrong then I will accept the ridicule.
 
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Voted to remain ✍️

Was on the fence tbh. So a vote for unity & ✌️
 
Those saying 'no chance' Leave has won, what makes you say that?

There's zero actual evidence for either side other than speculation.

Well to be fair Private polls conducted by various places such as Bookmakers and Economists have shown a heavy "remain" percentage.

We still could have an upset but the safe money right now is remain
 
There is always a possibility that leave can win until it has decided.

My 'certainty' comes from the fact that closing ended over an hour ago. The result has happened. It is set. And following this, all markets point to a win, and not even close.

One of the main leave supporters accepted that remain win.

If I'm wrong then I will accept the ridicule.
I see. Well I hope it's true, but I'll keep myself calm. Long night ahead.
 
And that was debunked on channel 4

Every single story, worldwide, that starts with "Regulations are strangling us!" is always debunked. It's always the case that the people who are against them play up the number (or number of pages...) of regulations, ignoring what they actually do. I believe the current Pillow-gate is basically taking a whole bunch of unrelated textile and garment regulations, all of which are totally reasonable (most of which are probably things like "If you say your pillowcase is made of cotton, it has to be made of cotton") and then lumping them together.

I miss the days where I could just get a pint at the pub, watch a bit of footie, and not need to look over my shoulder for secret Belgians regulating away my freedom.


There's no way those overpaid and unelected technocrats wouldn't regulate away the styrofoam jazz cup in that picture. And white bread? Forget about it. Now everything is halal muslim bread.
 
Well to be fair Private polls conducted by various places such as Bookmakers and Economists have shown a heavy "remain" percentage.

We still could have an upset but the safe money right now is remain

Private polls don't really mean anything. It's a poll as is a general poll. It's not always true to life is it?

I mean, these big bankers etc. doubling down on remain are purely because they want it to be Remain, it does not mean Remain will actually in.

That said, I think Remain will slightly win but private polls are no way a definitive way to judge this fact.
 
I had someone using Boston as a point of argument in this referendum. Citing their murder rate and immigrant rate and essentially saying 'see, see!'

I kind of remember the place always having a reputation way before mass immigration.

Never had a great reputation but (relative) mass immigration has certainly not helped matters. Pretty much everyone i've talked to today has said they voted leave. As expected.
 
That's actually a lot lower than I was anticipating. I know it's a different set of circumstances, but in 1995 when Quebec had a referendum on whether to leave Canada, turnout was 94%.

You'd think it would be higher than 83% for such an important vote.

People are too busy planning how to spend their "last friday of the month" payslip.
 
To those who voted Remain. Do you see or want a future where the EU is further integrated, potentially where it federalizes into a single national entity?

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
 
If all the regulations were indeed just avoiding toxic products I'd be fine, but I REALLY don't think we need regulation requiring certain battery compartments to need a screwdriver to open :/
The bigger issue for, again, is the slow introduction of control rather than regulation. Things like the new regulations they're adding for 'diversity' which amount to thoughtcrime rules or Juncker saying he'd block out Austria if they voted for the parties he didn't like. I may not like the Austrian freedom party either, but you shouldn't be telling a country they can't vote unless it's a vote you agree with.

I don't think getting out of the EU in the hopes of either a new one forming or the existing one perhaps actually changing when they realise it can't just trundle on without consequence suddenly means we're approving of the house of lords or ignoring them for that matter. I do wish someone would do something about them though, it's a preposterous part of our governing system that should really have been nuked long ago or reformed :/

What's wrong with the battery thing? Considering how dangerous batteries can be I can see there being very valid reasons for that.

What thought crime laws are there?

Can you also please link to what Juncker said about Austria. I'm geniunely interested in that.

Yeah I agree, that's why the UK is facing pillow shortages, the unbearable regulatory pressure of the 109 regulations you found out about from a Leave commercial are bankrupting all the Mum n Pop pillow makers. The worst part is Brown People don't even have any regulations on their Halal pillows. Y'all should move to America. Instead of Jaffa Cakes, people here sleep on pillows. Just one of the many ways Europe isn't free. Next thing you know you won't even being able to get good chips because those Eurocrats from Brussels are going to ban malt vinegar.

Brussels Chips >>>>>>>>>>> Shitty soggy British Shit



Also, lol at leave Politicians.

Pre-referendum

"Cameron is the worst, the EU is the worst, supporting Nazi EU!"

Now:

"Cameron is a very good Prime Minister, regardless of the results we need his leadership and we love him as at least we can fuck over the poor together."
 
Every single story, worldwide, that starts with "Regulations are strangling us!" is always debunked. It's always the case that the people who are against them play up the number (or number of pages...) of regulations, ignoring what they actually do. I believe the current Pillow-gate is basically taking a whole bunch of unrelated textile and garment regulations, all of which are totally reasonable (most of which are probably things like "If you say your pillowcase is made of cotton, it has to be made of cotton") and then lumping them together.

I miss the days where I could just get a pint at the pub, watch a bit of footie, and not need to look over my shoulder for secret Belgians regulating away my freedom.
Yup they just added anything that had pillow including something to do with tractor engines.
 
Change what exactly? Are you hoping for the EU to crumble or something? Do you think the UK leaving the EU will solve immigration and the displacement of peoples?

I'm just a layman, but from what I understand, if the UK leaves, the EU will be weaker but not to the point of collapse. And with the UK on the outside, it won't have a spot at the table in terms of influencing change within the EU and its regulations and whatnot (regulations that the UK will probably be largely subjected to if it wants trade with the EU).

What I am hoping for - that is if Britain leaves the EU - is pretty simple: More states will probably leave with the best candidates being Spain, Portugal and Italy because their economy has been in shambles after Germany's stiff and pretty uneffective saving-policy. And when this wheel starts to spin, maybe, just maybe, Juncker and the whole bunch of clowns start to think about things they have to change and not just sit around and do nothing all day everyday of the year.

Will it solve immigration if the British leave? No. It might make things worse. Is it going to end well for their economy? Maybe. Maybe not - the market always finds a way.

What I am most afraid of: Nothing will change if Britain stays in the EU. Because "it works", which it clearly doesn't.

Btw: I am German. Just for the record.
 
Every single story, worldwide, that starts with "Regulations are strangling us!" is always debunked. It's always the case that the people who are against them play up the number (or number of pages...) of regulations, ignoring what they actually do. I believe the current Pillow-gate is basically taking a whole bunch of unrelated textile and garment regulations, all of which are totally reasonable (most of which are probably things like "If you say your pillowcase is made of cotton, it has to be made of cotton") and then lumping them together.

I miss the days where I could just get a pint at the pub, watch a bit of footie, and not need to look over my shoulder for secret Belgians regulating away my freedom.

Totally separate really, but I think for a lot of small business the onerous nature of regulation is not complying but *compliance* - ie being able to prove that they have abided by the regulated rather than merely doing so. It's a legal issue and for small businesses with no actual legal staff it can be a headache.
 
Private polls don't really mean anything. It's a poll as is a general poll. It's not always true to life is it?

I mean, these big bankers etc. doubling down on remain are purely because they want it to be Remain, it does not mean Remain will actually in.

That said, I think Remain will slightly win but private polls are no way a definitive way to judge this fact.

Wouldn't banks hedge against the risk though? Could it be that the only people putting money into leave result are just covering their positions? If the win massively gains from remain it makes sense to make some investments in leave to cover the risk.
 
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