Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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Leave is winning by about 24k votes, but only 12 out of 382 results have been declared.

which makes those seeming to know what the result will be even funnier. It's gonna be a close call it seems like, but no reason for anyone to 'give up hope' for one way or the other quite yet. lets give it a few hours at least, jeez
 
what kind of turnout/numbers could we expect from London and bigger cities like it? Millions?
London will declare as individual boroughs but in total it will be in the millions. Birmingham is the biggest individual declaration of tonight and Manchester is also a big one to look out for.
 
Thats the trouble our voting system is terrible... Conservatives only got 26% odd of the vote yet got a majority government its flawed and not democratic at all

That is true. I just wish the English could nuke the Conservatives completely until they sort their shit out.
 
Holy fuck, the odds are crashing on leave

Tak3n! Welcome to the party!

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Interesting that this is the most discussion I've heard about the actual mechanics of what leaving would actually mean for the whole campaign.
 
Same here.

Leading up to this, I was under the impression Remain would smash Leave to pieces. I like to think myself better than the ignorant American stereotype, but clearly I didn't do enough research into this topic. I hope your future is a bright one, UK-GAF.
Oh yeah, I'm still trying to catch up on this mess but reading about it, in my opinion it's a shame it's come to this. Of course, the citizens will decide their fate, and so as I said earlier, I wish nothing but the best for the UK and its people.
 
In a business sense leave is silly... In a humanity unity sense this sounds silly.

In a Historian sense, chaos of political stability, and the butter fly ripple effect analysis this is a career changing moment of excitement.

Basically if your a political scientist you win either way and if your a anti Hero then this is a reason to a better end.


gotta write them books
 
Salmond is awesome, just for how much the English pundits hate him with a passion.

He's a really slimy politician. But he's a really good slimy politician.

Honestly he's a master at interviews and always comes across well, but I'm Scottish and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He is really entertaining though.
 
Comments that Yorkshire has outed by a 'country mile'.

If so, this is a severe threat to the Remain camp.

It's total posturing. He was in Leeds, Leeds itself will likely be remain, but depends on the turnout.

People are talking on 13/382 declared right now. Take it easy.
 
The problem is they are all Westminster asshole's. Salmond strikes a contrast with modern Scottish leaders like Sturgeon, Dugdale and Davidson.

Yeah but his beliefs on policy aren't actually evil like the others. He's a smug asshole but sometimes kind of funny especially when he destroys Cameron.
 
Weren't you the guy being upset about the word ''salt'' just a few pages back? ;)

Calling people salty because they might have their livelihoods fucked up is on the same level as making a joke about a gif someone made? He made a gif showing a Leave supporter as a fucking Orc. An orc. You can't dangle that out and not expect someone to take the piss.
 
Such compassion and kindness towards the working class from the Remain camp. Who could imagine why they might vote the other way?

How much compassion and kindness can you show toward a group that consistently votes against their own best interests and in doing so makes life harder for everyone else?
 
This is true the same way that people who are against same-sex marriage or racial integration or the people who whooped and hollared at Enoch Powell 40 years ago are all responding to very real anxiety about the changing world. The classic divide between urban-rural or cosmopolitan-provincial. I agree that it's impossible to discard the role fear plays in governing these peoples' daily existence, but the response to that is not to mollycoddle the fearful at the expense of whatever outgroup is currently being scapegoated as they lead their daily life. It's all well and good to say "What about the men who suddenly sees women in a full veil", but he's suffering a far lesser offence than the woman wearing the veil who gets leered at, yelled at, or worse--used as an example of the evil forces conspiring to destroy the nation. The specifics of integration issues vary across time and space, but the core is the same: I would absolutely always want to take the side of kindness and fraternity than the side of fearfulness and bunkering. it's the same in every country. In America it's worries about taquerias and fruit guys speaking spanish and playing footie, in England it's people named Muhammed. I know of course that these people are not cartoonish racist fascists, they're simply isolated and fearful of a changing world.

The government can be blamed for its failure to provide for the economic prosperity and quality of life of the working poor, of course, but not for ignoring the racist calls to Make England English Again. Even if it causes tension and anxiety in the mean time, we need to encourage a spirit of cosmopolitan brotherhood.

I mean, the language stuff is a perfect point. Yes, there are many people who get anxious and angry when they hear people speaking non-English languages. And? A man walking down the road should be able to speak English. Or French. Or Spanish. Or Farsi. Or !Kung! Or even terrorist languages like Arabic or Mohammed. Stripping their dignity by saying they are somehow less human--or less a part of England--or less in any way because of that difference is giving into fear.

I think your post is telling because it dispenses with the pseudo-economic arguments and makes this what it really is: a referendum about how comfortable one is with the strange and foreign ways the country is changing. Glad we're no longer pretending.

Perfectly put, Stump. Thank you.
 
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