Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Agreed with most of what Alastair Campbell said. David Cameron may well be wishing he'd had a few sharp spin doctors telling him what a terrible idea this referendum was before he committed to it.

There is a massive class/geographical divide coming through in these results, perhaps even bigger than expected.
 
HylianHistorian said:
American gaffer here... wish you all the best. This is a nail biter.
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Same here.

Leading up to this, I was under the impression Remain would smash Leave to pieces. I like to think myself better than the ignorant American stereotype, but clearly I didn't do enough research into this topic. I hope your future is a bright one, UK-GAF.
 
I'm starting to think it'll be a comfortable leave win.

Can we please at least keep the free movement for another 2 years please? My funding will last me until then. Then I can jump ship.
 
haxamin said:
As someone hoping to leave
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Britain is a country populated with dumb racist xenophobic pieces of shit. There is no greater Britain to come.
 
Red Liquorice said:
I'm finding some of the panicked reactions in this thread quite amusing to read. Could it be this is the first time a slice of the young, University-educated GAFers in decent white collar jobs are seeing what the lower class really thinks?

It's easy to call people racist or xenophobic, but your opinion might change if you lived in an area that over the past couple of decades has gone from just mixed working class to seeing women every day in the full veil and hearing any language but English spoken in your local supermarket, plus jobs decimated and local community areas reduced to a string of betting shops. I think these people have real concerns, confusion and fears that aren't being addressed - they're making connections between what's happening on the news and to the economy and what they see in their daily lives. It's shit-heads like Farage, the Daily Mail etc who swoop in and exploit those concerns for their own agendas.

Do you blame the "plebs" for voting leave, or do you blame the government for willfully neglecting the people at the ever-growing bottom of society and the tabloid rags for taking advantage of their insecurities.
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What do they see in their daily lives? People who don't look like them or speak the same language?

That's bad?
 
Red Liquorice said:
It's easy to call people racist or xenophobic, but your opinion might change if you lived in an area that over the past couple of decades has gone from just mixed working class to seeing women every day in the full veil and hearing any language but English spoken in your local supermarket
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Most of the areas voting strongly for leave don't have significant immigrant populations.
 
what kind of turnout/numbers could we expect from London and bigger cities like it? Millions?
 
Only thing I like about Salmond is his natural ability to make everyone instantly salty, otherwise it's for the best that he isn't leading the SNP anymore.
 
Stumpokapow said:
This is true the same way that people who are against same-sex marriage or racial integration or the people who whooped and hollared at Enoch Powell 40 years ago are all responding to very real anxiety about the changing world. The classic divide between urban-rural or cosmopolitan-provincial. I agree that it's impossible to discard the role fear plays in governing these peoples' daily existence, but the response to that is not to mollycoddle the fearful at the expense of whatever outgroup is currently being scapegoated as they lead their daily life. It's all well and good to say "What about the men who suddenly sees women in a full veil", but he's suffering a far lesser offence than the woman wearing the veil who gets leered at, yelled at, or worse--used as an example of the evil forces conspiring to destroy the nation. The specifics of integration issues vary across time and space, but the core is the same: I would absolutely always want to take the side of kindness and fraternity than the side of fearfulness and bunkering. it's the same in every country. In America it's worries about taquerias and fruit guys speaking spanish and playing footie, in England it's people named Muhammed. I know of course that these people are not cartoonish racist fascists, they're simply isolated and fearful of a changing world.

The government can be blamed for its failure to provide for the economic prosperity and quality of life of the working poor, of course, but not for ignoring the racist calls to Make England English Again. Even if it causes tension and anxiety in the mean time, we need to encourage a spirit of cosmopolitan brotherhood.

I mean, the language stuff is a perfect point. Yes, there are many people who get anxious and angry when they hear people speaking non-English languages. And? A man walking down the road should be able to speak English. Or French. Or Spanish. Or Farsi. Or !Kung! Or even terrorist languages like Arabic or Mohammed. Stripping their dignity by saying they are somehow less human--or less a part of England--or less in any way because of that difference is giving into fear.

I think your post is telling because it dispenses with the pseudo-economic arguments and makes this what it really is: a referendum about how comfortable one is with the strange and foreign ways the country is changing. Glad we're no longer pretending.
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Yea so much this.
I mean why is it even an issue that someone speaks a non english language among themselves? Do they really expect a Persian family to not speak in Farsi among themselves? I mean isn't that's what's beautiful and modern about a society that you have people from various cultures, speaking various languages ?
 
Audioboxer said:
That should be about voting the conservatives out, not blaming the EU lol.

England's problem is you guys keep voting majority Conservative.

Not the fucking EU. Cameron and the conservatives run this country because of how England vote.
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Thats the trouble our voting system is terrible... Conservatives only got 26% odd of the vote yet got a majority government its flawed and not democratic at all
 
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