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[ElRenoRaven]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?

Because even with those the suspect could still blind fire towards the police etc. You have to figure they examined every option before doing what they did. Odds are if they could have gotten a bead on him they'd probably have used a sniper themselves. So odds are he was staying behind cover preventing that.

 

[Cth]

RE: Bombs and Robots

SWAT team was called on scene as I understand it. That's something they're equipped with, not the regular cops.

So, within their tool set to utilize, I believe.

 

[le.phat]

The police loaded a bomb defusing robot with a bomb, had it approach the killer, and then detonated the bomb blowing him up.

Handled completely wrong, driven by vindictiveness. They should have brought him alive.

 

[Mahonay]

holy crap... did they even do this type of stuff during the Boston bombing stand off?? What a thing to wake up to.

When they pinned down the guy in Boston he was hiding in a boat, unarmed.

This guy in Dallas was actively unloading into the officers. Completely 100 percent different situations.

 

[old manatee]

If the guy was claiming to have a bomb, I suppose sending in the bomb diffusing robot is the way to go.

It doesn't sound like they sent a bomb defusing robot in. It sounds like they turned a bomb defusing robot into a mobile bomb and killed a US citizen with it.

 

[Zoe]

Wait, dead suspect announced to police he was acting alone?
It was just him?

No mention of two in Mercedes stopped and woman now? No mention of triangulation etc?

He claimed he was working alone. The word of a confirmed cop killer isn't enough to make police stop looking for other suspects.

 

[johnny956]

Get your facts straight before you try to state it as fact.

It wasn't the Black Panthers, it was MOVE, and there were significant changes to law enforcement policies after that - plenty of lawsuits against the city, and settlements for survivors.

My apologies, I just remember hearing about the bombs being dropped on them. Did anything actually come from those lawsuits? I know it's a different circumstance as plenty of innocent people were targeted by the police then

 

[NoblesseOblige]

RE: Bombs and Robots

SWAT team was called on scene as I understand it. That's something they're equipped with, not the regular cops.

So, within their tool set to utilize, I believe.

Aren't SWAT just a force in the regular police equipped with more powerful hardware?

 

[ElRenoRaven]

When they pinned down the guy in Boston he was hiding in a boat, unarmed.

This guy in Dallas was actively unloading into the officers. Completely 100 percent different situations.

Exactly. God knows how much ammo this guy had too. It's unfortunate that they had to do this but you know what It's what they had to do.

Aren't SWAT just regular police equipped with more powerful hardware?

They also get specialized training.

 

[Bubba T]

I'm just still in disbelief that they actually blew the guy up like it was Call of Duty or any Bruce Willis action movie.

 

[DragonSworne]

No one is going to side with this guy as being a victim.

Well I will because it is fucked up what the cops did.

I'll wait for more on the subject but this looks excessive and more like revenge killing than cops doing their job. Setting off an exposive is dangerous and could have lead to more lives lost.

 

[ColdPizza]

OK. but doesn't that set a precedent for the police executing suspects with bomb-carrying robots?

They apprarently did this because negotiations completely broke down.

 

[mreddie]

I heard about the 5th officer fallen and that they got the bastard but bombing him.

I know shit is gonna be uneasy, a protest is happening in my side of the desert today and I know everyone feels uneasy as fuck.

This year...

 

[CyclopsRock]

They took 3 other people into custody, so it doesn't look like they were just blood thirsty and looking for revenge when they decided to drive the bomb robot in there.

 

[BoosterDuck]

Can we do something about guns now?

'Texas'

'gun regulation'

DOES NOT COMPUTE

 

[many places]

Different situations call for different measures.

The concept of nuance is extremely important right now for both sides during all this.

 

[marrec]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?

I think at the end of what was essentially a terrorist attack on the Dallas police, their "take him alive if possible" judgement was probably not working at 100% capacity. Looking back now and saying that they shouldn't have exploded a dude who was threatening to kill more cops and blow up downtown Dallas is a bit naive.

They did what they thought they had to do at the time to keep people safe.

They did a good job.

Also it is kinda extraordinary.

 

[jmdajr]

Trump and Clinton campaign suspended for now.

 

[pigeon]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

No it isn't. Jesus. Please don't try to draw an equivalency between police shooting unarmed unresisting people and police blowing up heavily defended criminals after multiple police homicides.

 

[Jawbreaker]

I feel bad for Micah Johnson, the baseball player, who also happens to be a 25-year-old.

 

[Mahonay]

I'm just still in disbelief that they actually blew the guy up like it was Call of Duty or any Bruce Willis action movie.

Yeah it's pretty nuts but desperate situations call for desperate measures.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Is it? If 9/11 was the last time that many officers died it gives people a perspective of how uncommon this is. Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.

Invoking 9/11 sounds like loaded sensationalism to me.

 

[Zoe]

They apprarently did this because negotiations completely broke down.

And this stand off had been going on for 4 hours before they did this.

 

[Gattsu25]

Handled completely wrong, driven by vindictiveness. They should have brought him alive.

They tried that for well over an hour. He was shooting at them the entire time.

 

[TheFuzz]

RE: Bombs and Robots

SWAT team was called on scene as I understand it. That's something they're equipped with, not the regular cops.

So, within their tool set to utilize, I believe.

This. SWAT doesn't carry a horde of stun-robots like some people think. They have a robot that can detonate a small explosive remotely. There wasn't a safe way to "stun" him without more officers being put in danger. They used what they had in order to safely neutralize the threat while keeping other people safe.

It wasnt an execution but a calculated decision in order to lessen the likelihood of more casualties.

 

[necrosis]

this whole situation is terrible

i hope daniel pantaleo, darren wilson, the baton rouge pd, and all of america's other shithead cops are able to come to terms with the blood that is now on their hands

 

[dave is ok]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

He wanted to kill cops. There was no safe way to enter that room, even with concussion or tear gas

What would you have used to 'knock him out'?

 

[Pinky]

I live 27 miles outside of Dallas and work not even a 1/2 mile from downtown. This hits way too close to home. I'm deeply saddened and angered. I just feel numb right now. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims, their families/friends and all who have been affected by this. This shit is just going to get worse.

 

[Edvardelis]

It doesn't sound like they sent a bomb defusing robot in. It sounds like they turned a bomb defusing robot into a mobile bomb and killed a US citizen with it.

Standard police procedure to deal with a possible bomb is to blow it up, preferably remotely.

 

[wesleyshark]

Trump and Clinton campaign suspended for now.

Can they just suspend their campaigns indefinitely

 

[BokehKing]

It doesn't sound like they sent a bomb defusing robot in. It sounds like they turned a bomb defusing robot into a mobile bomb and killed a US citizen with it.

Well yeah.....this guy did enough damage, should they have kept sending more officers at a guy who obviously....knew how to maneuver and handle that gun?

Did you see the video of what he did to that police officer by that column last night?

 

[Cabbagehead]

They weren't BP.

Never said they were...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Trump and Clinton campaign suspended for now.

Clinton only cancelled her speech with Biden but she's still doing one tonight last I heard.

 

[Mahonay]

I feel bad for Micah Johnson, the baseball player, who also happens to be a 25-year-old.

Oof. Going to be a rough month for that poor guy.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

There was already a press conference nearly two hours ago.

already happened

Ah okay, this thread moves so fast. I'll look for a link once this meeting I'm in is finished.

Thanks!

 

[Erevador]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

 

[xaosslug]

Different situations call for different measures.

yeah... this seems like retaliation, which isn't something we should expect from our police force.

When they pinned down the guy in Boston he was hiding in a boat, unarmed.

This guy in Dallas was actively unloading into the officers. Completely 100 percent different situations.

from what I recall the Boston bomber opened fire from the boat? or was that wrong?

 

[marrec]

They tried that for well over an hour. He was shooting at them the entire time.

Ya this Friday Morning Quarterbacking of an hours long standoff during a domestic terrorist attack is kinda fucking shameful tbh

They did what they had to do to make sure no one else got hurt except the dude who wanted to hurt more people.

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

It doesn't sound like they sent a bomb defusing robot in. It sounds like they turned a bomb defusing robot into a mobile bomb and killed a US citizen with it.

Bomb robots aren't "bomb defusing" robots, they're bomb disposal robots. They're used to safely detonate bombs while people remain at a distance, which they do by means of a small explosive.

They thought the suspect had explosives on him, so they basically treated him as though he were a bomb.

 

[Gattsu25]

Ah okay, this thread moves so fast. I'll look for a link once this meeting I'm in is finished.

Thanks!

Here you go: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGoZANoPQKv

 

[King Tubby]

They took 3 other people into custody, so it doesn't look like they were just blood thirsty and looking for revenge when they decided to drive the bomb robot in there.

I sincerely doubt the police in this situation weren't going to try to apprehend the shooter if they could do it without risking more police. They still don't think they have all the shooters/conspirators in custody, they want to take these people in to find out what they know and if there's any other attacks planned.

 

[many places]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

This is not the same as shooting an unharmed innocent person and you know it. My god dude.

 

[trembli0s]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

What were they going to use? This guy was likely well-trained, ex-military is my guess judging by how they placed themselves and the take down video, and was going out guns blazing.

 

[Sanjuro]

OK. but doesn't that set a precedent for the police executing suspects with bomb-carrying robots?

I'm sure they'll have more information to come. If someone who has already murdered individuals state they have a bomb, you send in a bomb robot.

If your back right brake light is out and they send out a robot...

 

[Chezzymann]

They tried that for well over an hour. He was shooting at them the entire time.

Yeah the "excessive force" argument is getting a little ridiculous here given the context

 

[Screaming Meat]

For me, it isn't 'just a flag' or 'just a piece of cloth'. Sorry.

What is it?

 

[entremet]

this whole situation is terrible

i hope daniel pantaleo, darren wilson, the baton rouge pd, and all of america's other shithead cops are able to come to terms with the blood that is now on their hands

Whatever happened with those events, that does not excuse the massacre that happened at Dallas, where cops that had nothing to do with those events were targeted.

Violence is a vicious cycle.

 

[ColdPizza]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

Dude...

 

[Ray Wonder]

Dude was killing cops, and wanted to continue killing cops. He said he planted explosives. Why the fuck would they want try and stun him and put themselves in more danger. Blow the murderous, racist, prick sky high for all I care.

SWAT team did what they thought was necessary, clearly. And it worked perfectly.

 

[Hip Hop]

yeah... this seems like retaliation, which isn't something we should expect from our police force.

I don't think so from the info at hand. It was pretty much the only option at that point. Crazy in nature, but had to be done.