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[Kurdel]

The robot thing sounds as illegal as it is amazing.

I man, why not give the police frag grenades now?

Why? So he'd stop slaughtering people. Whatever it takes... Do it.

Even in the heat of combat or a standoff, the duty of the police should be to incapacitate.

Shoot to kill cowboy bullshit is why policing is fucked up in the US.

 

[Jawbreaker]

LA Times says there is an ID on the suspect.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/751415970221035520?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

25? Shit. What a waste.

 

[jellies_two]

Wait, dead suspect announced to police he was acting alone?
It was just him?

No mention of two in Mercedes stopped and woman now? No mention of triangulation etc?

 

[Mahonay]

Why the hell did they do that? Why not just bring the guy in cleanly? They could have used the same robot to stun him instead of killing him.

He was actively shooting at them. Bringing him alive was not an option at that point. The whole robot with a bomb thing is weird and unconventional but I'm not about to feel bad for the guy.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Naw. That's MSNBC

I would say it's a pretty solid tie.

 

[ColdPizza]

Is that even a legal way for the police to kill someone?

I doubt any prosecutor is going to choose whether or not this was a legal death as their hill to die on.

 

[johnny956]

Is that even a legal way for the police to kill someone?

The police dropped bombs in the 70's on black panther groups I believe in Philly. Nothing ever came of that I believe

 

[SlimySnake]

wtf that is some battlefield level shit right there O.O

Battlefield has killstreaks?

This is the RC-XDs in Black Ops3. Or that remote controlled car at the end of Bad Boys 2 where Michael Bay blew up a bunch of cubans with an explosion.

Pretty insane but effective i guess.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

holy crap at people crying over burning a flag

get over it ffs

 

[Edvardelis]

WTF? Since when do cops use bomb robots? Has this been done before?

Uh, all the time? How do you think they deal with bomb threats?

 

[Sheroking]

Why? So he'd stop slaughtering people. Whatever it takes... Do it.

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?

 

[Blue Submarine No. 6]

As deplorable as this tragedy is, I can't say that I'm surprised. From this outsider's perspective, it seems to me that this kind of lashing out against US law enforcement was inevitable... I too have serious concerns for the ramifications; things could well get worse now even than they were... So sad that it's come to this, and so unnecessary...

 

[SlimySnake]

LA Times says there is an ID on the suspect.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/751415970221035520?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

oh ffs. Dont tell me he's a Muslim/Nation of Islam. EDIT: I missed 'Johnson' as the last name. So X is the middle name. Nvm me.

 

[old manatee]

He was actively shooting at them. Bringing him alive was not an option at that point. The whole robot with a bomb thing is weird and unconventional but I'm not about to feel bad for the guy.

I doubt any prosecutor is going to choose whether or not this was a legal death as their hill to die on.

OK. but doesn't that set a precedent for the police executing suspects with bomb-carrying robots?

 

[therealist]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?



Controlled detonation of a bomb and blowing the hell out of a pinned down suspect is a little different.

Do you know that they had access to those additional weapons?

 

[wesleyshark]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?

Heat of the moment split second decisions made to protect the lives of cops and innocents all around... They chose the best and most efficient means in putting this murderous prick down.

 

[doctorblurg]

Why the hell did they do that? Why not just bring the guy in cleanly? They could have used the same robot to stun him instead of killing him.

I doubt the bomb disposal robot would be able to stun the guy long enough for the police to get them, it was either use the bomb or risk even more officers getting shot.

 

[TheFuzz]

Its so monumentally depressing that the loud minority shoots to the top of these discussions, forcing people to PICK A SIDE.

Its completely and 100% possible to sympathize with BLM, understand why they are upset, to be sad for the families of the people needlessly killed by police, while at the same time feeling solidarity and support for the police who lost 5 officers and to feel sad for their families.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

I truely believe most people feel that way. but you don't hear from them. You hear from the loudest, most hateful, on either side, trying to pull people apart.

I want to shake your hand, friend.

 

[Edvardelis]

Controlled detonation of a bomb and blowing the hell out of a pinned down suspect is a little different.

He claimed to have a bomb.

No idea about the legality of it, usually the police are blowing up random packages left on the street.

 

[SynthFetish]

Can we do something about guns now?

 

[Cabbagehead]

The police dropped bombs in the 70's on black panther groups I believe in Philly. Nothing ever came of that I believe

Children and other innocents got caught up in that. Nothing was really done which was crazy to hear but expected.

 

[bob_arctor]

LATimes is pretty legit.

Micah X is the name of one of the suspects. No criminal history or terror ties.

From the article:

He wanted to kill officers. And he expressed killing white people, killing white officers, he expressed anger for Black Lives Matter.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

People don't care about the flag or this country anymore.

Well some people don't, it's disturbing I know
I lump them in with the same people celebrating cops getting killed though.

Hope the people of Dallas show support to officers today

What the fuck? And I thought you were ridiculous in the flag burning thread..

 

[e_i]

Uh, all the time? How do you think they deal with bomb threats?

I mean to kill suspects, not using bombs to destroy other bombs.

 

[Gattsu25]

I would say it's a pretty solid tie.

I would say this shit ain't even close and anyone who thinks it is needs to stop watching so much south park. "Both sides do it so they all suck" is a reductive view that doesn't take into considering the consistency and severity of the offenses. It's irrelevant for this thread, however.

 

[Tecnniqe]

The robot thing sounds as illegal as it is amazing.

I man, why not give the police frag grenades now?



Even in the heat of combat or a standoff, the duty of the police should be to incapacitate.

Shoot to kill cowboy bullshit is why policing is fucked up in the US.

Looking at how they we're trained i see why they just blew him up with a robot. Its understandable as wrong as it may be.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Uh, all the time? How do you think they deal with bomb threats?

Clearly people aren't talking about using bombs to defuse other bombs. I'm not sure why people aren't getting this. The police chief made it sound like they literally drove the robot in with an explosive in the intent to blow it up and take out the suspect, not to drive it in and defuse a bomb.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Wow! Fox news just mentioned the 70's and all the police officers killed from violence. Saying they thought as a country we have moved past that.

Fox News is responsible for misinformation, mistrust and hatred for anyone not white(or blue) to people who want their shitty worldview reinforced or can't actually think for themselves. This Country is worse off because of Murdock and his minions.

 

[CyclopsRock]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?

I think you're over-estimating their ability to jury-rig robots into Call of Duty killstreaks whilst standing in a street in Texas.

 

[chubigans]

I mean to kill suspects, not using bombs to destroy other bombs.

I swear I've heard of this kind of thing happening before.

 

[le.phat]

Nope. Stomping and spitting on a flag is stupid behavior.

For me, it isn't 'just a flag' or 'just a piece of cloth'. Sorry.

Nope. Because the issue is well known. Protesting is they way to go. People have to wake up and face the truth. I'm all for it. Stomping and spitting on a flag isn't the way to go... and backfires.

This is depressing. That nationalism seeping through to taint another generation.

 

[Hip Hop]

Can we do something about guns now?

No.

And doing that won't solve the real issue here.

 

[Ray Wonder]

OK. but doesn't that set a precedent for the police executing suspects with bomb-carrying robots?

Sure, actively murderous/terroristic suspects that are having a standoff/gun fight with them.

 

[Ovid]

Battlefield has killstreaks?

This is the RC-XDs in Black Ops3. Or that remote controlled car at the end of Bad Boys 2 where Michael Bay blew up a bunch of cubans with an explosion.

Pretty insane but effective i guess.

You can kill a person with an EOD bot in Battlefield 4.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Is that even a legal way for the police to kill someone?

If the guy was claiming to have a bomb, I suppose sending in the bomb diffusing robot is the way to go.

 

[Sheroking]

Do you know that they had access to those additional weapons?

I think we can be reasonably confident that the Dallas/Fort Worth area had access to gas and non-lethal grenades.

Heat of the moment split second decisions made to protect the lives of cops and innocents all around... They chose the best and most efficient means in putting this murderous prick down.

Okay.

I'll take that as a reasonable explanation when I get a detailed account and reasoning from them - not before.

 

[Gattsu25]

From the article:

Here are direct quotes regarding the motives...at the start of the police conference:

The suspect said he was upset about BLM. He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people especially white officers. The suspect stated he will eventually-- that we will eventually find the IEDs.​

At the end of the conference:

He wanted to kill officers. And he expressed killing white people. He expressing killing white officers. He expressed anger for black lives matter​

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGoZANoPQKv

 

[Deleted member 20415]

The police dropped bombs in the 70's on black panther groups I believe in Philly. Nothing ever came of that I believe

Get your facts straight before you try to state it as fact.

It wasn't the Black Panthers, it was MOVE, and there were significant changes to law enforcement policies after that - plenty of lawsuits against the city, and settlements for survivors.

 

[DragonSworne]

It's my understanding that he was pinned down?

Why not a concussion grenade or gas, why an explosive?



Controlled detonation of a bomb and blowing the hell out of a pinned down suspect is a little different.

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

 

[Bearjewpiter]

Yea it's fucking ridiculous

Is it? If 9/11 was the last time that many officers died it gives people a perspective of how uncommon this is. Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.

 

[trembli0s]

This Rep. Will Hurd is R-TX ? Saying lots of progressive things.

Will Hurd is razor sharp. Good aggie and was a CIA analyst for years. Actually decided to run when he realized nobody in Congress could tell the difference between Shia and Sunnis.

 

[Trojita]

The police dropped bombs in the 70's on black panther groups I believe in Philly. Nothing ever came of that I believe

They weren't BP.

 

[cr0w]

You can kill a person with an EOD bot in Battlefield 4.

This is exactly what I pictured. I feel bad for chuckling at the idea.

 

[Chezzymann]

Good speech by Paul Ryan

 

[xaosslug]

“We saw no other option but to use our bomb-robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was.”

holy crap... did they even do this type of stuff during the Boston bombing stand off?? What a thing to wake up to.

 

[TheFuzz]

Why the hell did they do that? Why not just bring the guy in cleanly? They could have used the same robot to stun him instead of killing him.

Get out of here with this. They did the right thing, it was the quickest way to guarantee no one else died. You don't get the "hiya doing? May I stun?" robot after doing what he did.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

No one is going to side with this guy as being a victim.

 

[Sheroking]

I think you're over-estimating their ability to jury-rig robots into Call of Duty killstreaks whilst standing in a street in Texas.

The robot only being equipped to transport explosives is better reasoning. That makes sense.

 

[Hip Hop]

holy crap... did they even do this type of stuff during the Boston bombing stand off?? What a thing to wake up to.

Different situations call for different measures.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Can we do something about guns now?

Not with this congress we can't. Remember to vote. No excuses.