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[xenorevlis]

This is the old info people got about it. Likely to be outdated by now, though that doesn't necessarily mean the Neo itself will have a major spec bump or come out next year. We'll see what happens, eh?

 

[Orayn]

Checkerboard rendering is a reconstruction technique similar to Killzone Shadow Fall's horizontal interlacing. It's not something you can just do to an existing game to make it 4K, it needs to be built in at a fundamental level.

 

[Nirolak]

I'm not getting the 4K craze. Neo will surely struggle rendering its ps4 content at 4K, checkered rendering non-withstanding.

Sony wants to sell 4K TVs so they're trying to convince devs to do some kind of half-baked 4K rendering.

I'm assuming many of them won't actually try doing that, since they don't have personal incentives to sell 4K TVs, and instead to sell their video game.

Sony's first party by comparison will presumably be mandated to at least render something resembling 4K, similar to how many of them were required to render 3D TV output before that got dropped.

 

[bidguy]

yea this better not be true because scorpio will stomp the fuck out of it if it has zen

 

[Chris_Rivera]

While I am getting one at launch, I really hope they provide a 1080p@60 option for us UHD TV owners.

This. I will be disappointed if I can't get destiny and many others at 60fps. I'm not very interested in upscaled 4K at 30fps. Options Sony, give them.

 

[icespide]

how mad will people be if Neo is mostly the same at 1080p?

 

[dead monkey uk]

Only a bit faster CPU and 2 times better GPU? Wait for next year's Scorpio and Sony will have serious problems.

The same way the PS2 had serious problems when the Xbox released. Games will perform better on the Scorpio but the PS4(K) will continue the sell more.

 

[LelouchZero]

This is amazing! I can't wait!

 

[PodcastFips]

Only a bit faster CPU and 2 times better GPU? Wait for next year's Scorpio and Sony will have serious problems.

Which kinds of problems?
Let me elaborate: PS4/X1 platform market shares are already set in stone at this point. A stronger Xbox One won't change that fact as the game is already over at this point.

Market shares can only be broken up again once a real new generation launches in a couple of years.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Checkerboard rendering is a reconstruction technique similar to Killzone Shadow Fall's horizontal interlacing. It's not something you can just do to an existing game to make it 4K, it needs to be built in at a fundamental level.

Yes. Here's a presentation about checkerboard rendering by Ubisoft:

http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vaul...s/El_Mansouri_Jalal_Rendering_Rainbow_Six.pdf

 

[Dinjooh]

how mad will people be if Neo is mostly the same at 1080p?

I would absolutely love that.

Edit:

I mean if Neo is only worth it on a 4k TV

I would absolutely hate that.

 

[The Praiseworthy]

No reason at all for me to replace my PS4 with Neo.

I will stick with my PS4 till the end of it's life cycle.

 

[BigTnaples]

Hot damn. This is some exciting stuff. I live everything mentioned in that PowerPoint.



Strong work Sony.

 

[dead monkey uk]

how mad will people be if Neo is mostly the same at 1080p?

Well they would be mad as they would have bought a PS4 and not a Neo. Why would there be no difference at 1080p, the document discusses improved framerates, improved effects and down sampling from a higher res.

 

[farisr]

If Sony isn't planning to officially announce it anytime soon, I hope someone leaks the proto 2 specs (whether it's different or just reconfirms what we know already from the past leaks and this document), they should be in the hands of the developers by the end of this month and it will be set to what the final version's specs will be.

 

[Formosa]

Doesn't mention if it will have better wifi... Hope it does because Sony is calling it a high end version of PS4.

 

[icespide]

Well they would be mad as they would have bought a PS4 and not a Neo.

I mean if Neo is only worth it on a 4k TV

Doesn't mention if it will have better wifi... Hope it does because Sony is calling it a high end version of PS4.

this is a presentation geared towards developers, not a sales pitch. stuff like improved wifi wouldn't be included in this presentation. that said, I wouldn't hold your breath for wifi improvements

 

[Orayn]

Can't wait for OnQ to respond with some irrelevant crap about ClearType fonts as proof of Sony's magic uprendering that will make everything true 4K.

 

[Tryxx]

Seems like this PS4 is targeting psvr audience and that's about it. These specs aren't running AAA titles at 4K that's for sure. Seems like NEO is if you want the better psvr experience is what you buy. Kind of a let down especially after what Scorpio is.

 

[WinterX]

The same way the PS2 had serious problems when the Xbox released. Games will perform better on the Scorpio but the PS4(K) will continue the sell more.

Don't think so. PS3 had serious problems against Xbox 360. It had better CPU but a bit worse GPU. Xbox 360 sold for many years much better. Now let's move back to 2013. You know why Sony sold more PS4 over Xbox One? It was available worldwide almost immediately and it's much better than when we compare specifications.

I'll stick with NEO. Bought already many titles for PS4 so it would be a real waste of money for me. Looking forward to playing The Witcher 3 in 1080p 60fps but I really doubt it will come true

 

[TH-Work]

Thanks! But I wait for the Nintendo NX and Microsoft's Scorpio

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Scorpio isn't going to dominate anything in general because it is also locked to XB1's development platform according to MS.

And then we get into sales, where MS having the power advantage generally means little to their success without games and the user support base to support it anymore than right now.

Sony don't have to care about waging a power war over iterative units, and according to Andrew house, they aren't planning to, which is good news to me.

As long as PS5 comes out nice and beefy, this NEO unit can pretty much jump off a building in my mind, i'll act as if it doesn't exist. What we're heard about so far is a decent jump for an iterative console and likely will cost 399, which is a good deal IMO for those interested, but its not necessary at all to enjoy what PS4 has to offer. Its a PS4 refresh with higher power because the SLIM business model doesn't save Sony money anymore.

Let's be honest here. You only feel this way because it serves you desires and alleviates your fears of the OG PS4 games looking much worse than Neo games. For those of us that really wanted this it will be a huge disappointment.

PS5 will be underwhelming in relation to current tech as long they are afraid to go above $399.

 

[Newboi]

This is a really smart move on Sony's end. The Neo will have an obvious enough advantage over the PS4 to be a marketable upgrade for existing PS4 owners and be an even more enticing option for newcomers, while being not much more expensive to produce than the base model PS4.

Will production of base model PS4s stop after the Neo's launches or will we see both models sold in tandem onward?

Edit: Thinking more about it though, I'm very interested in seeing which strategy will be more successful, Microsoft's or Sony's? Holiday 2016 is still a very early time to release new hardware, especially with the PSVR coming out in the same quarter. If consumers eat it up, Microsoft having to wait a year will be really hurting. However, if consumers don't bite (at least that hard), Sony might have egg on their face in the long run.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No reason at all for me to replace my PS4 with Neo.

I will stick with my PS4 till the end of it's life cycle.

Same, especially if PS5 gets 100% PS4 and PSNEO compatible titles automatically for BC out of the box, plus its own games? Shieet. That's way better a deal.

yea this better not be true because scorpio will stomp the fuck out of it if it has zen

I wish people would understand...wishing something doesn't make it happen. Scorpio is coming out a decent amount of time after NEO, its going to destroy NEO regardless in terms of specs. But whether that matters to the success of either unit is probably not all that important.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Xbone 2-4K-Scorpio-whatever will wipe the floor with Neo, judging by the specs.

 

[icespide]

Seems like this PS4 is targeting psvr audience and that's about it. These specs aren't running AAA titles at 4K that's for sure. Seems like NEO is if you want the better psvr experience is what you buy. Kind of a let down especially after what Scorpio is.

why would you come to that conclusion when PSVR is not mentioned at all in this presentation?

surprised it took 6 pages for someone to mention VR

 

[farisr]

Doesn't mention if it will have better wifi... Hope it does because Sony is calling it a high end version of PS4.

All versions of ps3 had bad wifi and so did the ps4.

I honestly expect no different here honestly. For some reason they just decide to really cheap out on that aspect.

 

[MrMatt555]

Sony wants to sell 4K TVs so they're trying to convince devs to do some kind of half-baked 4K rendering.

Can you explain to me how this is half-baked.? I know next to nothing about this sort of stuff.

 

[Kyoufu]

Doesn't mention if it will have better wifi... Hope it does because Sony is calling it a high end version of PS4.

Better WiFi wouldn't be in a developer document. It doesn't matter to developers.

 

[mckmas8808]

Was really hoping a 2016 release was still possible but not at this rate. I need this shit.

This doc points to a 2016 release though.

 

[Tryxx]

why would you come to that conclusion when PSVR is not mentioned at all in this presentation?

surprised it took 6 pages for someone to mention VR

Because those specs are not running any modetn AAA at 4K no matter what you think. Isn't all the rumor say it's releasing this year to help the psvr...

 

[blu]

Checkerboard rendering is a reconstruction technique similar to Killzone Shadow Fall's horizontal interlacing. It's not something you can just do to an existing game to make it 4K, it needs to be built in at a fundamental level.

True. You'd need all your fragment shaders adapted for checkered, even though that's a rather mechanical translation, perhaps even one implementable in the shader compiler.

Sony wants to sell 4K TVs so they're trying to convince devs to do some kind of half-baked 4K rendering.

I'm assuming many of them won't actually try doing that, since they don't have personal incentives to sell 4K TVs, and instead to sell their video game.

I hope so. Unless we learned nothing from last gen when ps3 had to sell FullHD TVs, with all implications from that.

Sony's first party by comparison will presumably be mandated to at least render something resembling 4K, similar to how many of them were required to render 3D TV output before that got dropped.

Mandated checkerd rendering for all 1st party, I guess. Oh well.

 

[blastprocessor]

how mad will people be if Neo is mostly the same at 1080p?

Not mad at all if 60fps 1080p.

 

[icespide]

Because those specs are not running any modetn AAA at 4K no matter what you think. Isn't all he rumor hay it's releasing this year to help the psvr...

there's been no credible rumor about Neo having anything to do with PSVR

Not mad at all if 60fps 1080p.

I wouldn't consider that mostly the same

 

[DieH@rd]

Seems like this PS4 is targeting psvr audience and that's about it.

No. PSVR runs fine on base PS4.

Neo is an optional premium version of PS4, it will offer better rendering but nobody will force devs to target 4K.

PS5 will offer really big performance jump, but that's still year's away.

Not mad at all if 60fps 1080p.

Not mad, even if games remain at 30fps but get "Ultra" PC visual settings.

 

[cakely]

Seems like this PS4 is targeting psvr audience and that's about it. These specs aren't running AAA titles at 4K that's for sure. Seems like NEO is if you want the better psvr experience is what you buy. Kind of a let down especially after what Scorpio is.

You've got some bad information. Please stop spreading it around.

 

[mckmas8808]

how mad will people be if Neo is mostly the same at 1080p?

Will it run PSVR games better?

 

[Fess]

You are living in a dream world, chum.

Am I? I've seen Sony crush the dreams of the competitors so many times before, now that they know what MS will do they'll most likely one-up them somehow..

 

[Markitron]

This doc points to a 2016 release though.

I think it's coming out in 2016, but this doc is relatively old. Plans may have changed.

 

[AzureFlame]

SQUARE ENIX PLEASE DELAY FFXV FOR 1 DAY, I've waited 10 years, i can wait 1 more day.

 

[Guymelef]

Under 4TF
Just like New 3DS
Just for PSVR

Nonsense jumps to conclusions, the thread.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Not mad at all if 60fps 1080p.

Don't expect any open world many open world games at 60fps.

 

[Bsigg12]

This is a really smart move on Sony's end. The Neo will have an obvious enough advantage over the PS4 to be a marketable upgrade for existing PS4 owners and be an even more enticing option for newcomers, while being not much more expensive to produce than the base model PS4.

Will production of base model PS4s stop after the Neo's launches or will we see both models sold in tandem onward?

Sony has said that the systems will coexist, so the original PS4 will be a entry level and the Neo will be the higher end model.

 

[dead monkey uk]

No reason at all for me to replace my PS4 with Neo.

I will stick with my PS4 till the end of it's life cycle.

I am sure most PS4 owners will do the same.

I mean if Neo is only worth it on a 4k TV

That would be disappointing, but the document makes it sound like 1080p TVs will see a good benefit.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Interesting to see it from a policy standpoint.

From a tech perspective, I guess it's likely outdated. Who knows what the Neo is at this point since new SDKs went out.

 

[geordiemp]

This is a really smart move on Sony's end. The Neo will have an obvious enough advantage over the PS4 to be a marketable upgrade for existing PS4 owners and be an even more enticing option for newcomers, while being not much more expensive to produce than the base model PS4.

What exactly will be the benefit for most players playing a 1080p30 game on ps4 ?

Downsampling may give better edges and stuff but I am not feeling it.

If Scorpio with zen offers 1080p60 gaming for 3rd party AAA games, Neo will be shit,

Can see many console gamers going scorpio for those Witcher 4 type games to run at sexy frame rates.

 

[Karspankey]

Under 4TF
Just like New 3DS
Just for PSVR

Nonsense jumps to conclusions, the thread.

I usually don't participate in threads like these, for obvious reasons, but it has been pretty entertaining I'll admit

 

[stan423321]

SQUARE ENIX PLEASE DELAY FFXV FOR 1 DAY, I've waited 10 years, i can wait 1 more day.

I thought it premieres in August based on your post...

 

[Ray Down]

SQUARE ENIX PLEASE DELAY FFXV FOR 1 DAY, I've waited 10 years, i can wait 1 more day.

Late September games require a neo patch.

 

[Obscuritas]

The power difference is huge but rumour is Sony held back neo at e3 to fiddle with specs a bit after finding out what Microsoft is doing.

That's not even remotely true.