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[Necro900]

Your opinion can be uninformed. It can also be shit (see comparing MMA to suicide).

The "enjoyment" MMA fans have isn't from watching people get their skulls caved in anymore than football fans like to watch people become paralyzed.

Again, uninformed about what, exactly?
I find this sport violent, and that's all the info embedded in my post.
You may agree or disagree, but there's nothing factually wrong here. Again, I insist you get out your dictionary and check the meaning of "uninformed".

The suicide example was not to compare MMA to it, but to point out that something being legal doesn't automatically equal "right" or "moral". Laws change all the time, sports and traditions often get banned because public opinion/perception changes on the matter, and what is considered "acceptable" now, may not be so in the future (see the Spanish corrida).
Actually, it's easier to ban a sport than a tradition like corrida, so yeah.

I know nobody enjoys seeing fractured skulls (that would be quite worrying otherwise), my qualm with the "enjoyment" wasn't related to this mma fighter's injury. It has more to do with people enjoying other people punching and kicking each other, even when there's no fractures involved. To each his own I guess.

Are you serious with that comment? Show me the millions of people that train in suicide and all the suicide gyms that will be closed down as a result. Also yea, you have a skewed way of thinking. "I don't like or understand it, it should be banned even though I don't even watch it. No one else should be able to watch it or use it in any positive way!"

As long as you're consistent though. If you want MMA to be banned I hope you're also calling for the ban of boxing, football, wrestling (amateur and professional), sky diving any dangerous extreme sports or even recreational activity.

Do I seriously need to explain a simple abstraction to every mma supporter that can't be bothered to read carefully before going "omg he compared it to suicide, time to post"? Read above.

Also, I'm not saying that every sport that has injuries involved should be banned, that would be silly. I think those sports that feature people hurting physically other people as goal of the match should be reconsidered.
As you might know, rules of soccer do not involve getting the ball in the net and kicking the opponent in the face while you're at it.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Again, uninformed about what, exactly?
I find this sport violent, and that's all the info embedded in my post.
You may agree or disagree, but there's nothing factually wrong here. Again, I insist you get out your dictionary and check the meaning of "uninformed".

The suicide example was not to compare MMA to it, but to point out that something being legal doesn't automatically equal "right" or "moral". Laws change all the time, sports and traditions often get banned because public opinion/perception changes on the matter, and what is considered "acceptable" now, may not be so in the future (see the Spanish corrida).
Actually, it's easier to ban a sport than a tradition like corrida, so yeah.

I know nobody enjoys seeing fractured skulls (that would be quite worrying otherwise), my qualm with the "enjoyment" wasn't related to this mma fighter's injury. It has more to do with people enjoying other people punching and kicking each other, even when there's no fractures involved. To each his own I guess.

Uninformed about what the sport is, and why people like it. And your hyperbole and examples just add to it.

 

[Basoes]

Yup, it's disrespectful as well.

what did he taunt again after he found out his opponent had a fractured skull? if so yea that's disrespectful, if not then I don't see the problem with what he did

 

[Glin]

Quite disrespectful after a fight. But hey if the organisation makes a promoting thing out of it then it is condoned, right?

 

[Apollo Cree]

what did he taunt again after he found out his opponent had a fractured skull? if so yea that's disrespectful, if not then I don't see the problem with what he did

Either way it's disrespectful.

 

[Necro900]

Uninformed about what the sport is, and why people like it. And your hyperbole and examples just add to it.

So you're saying that people are not kicking and punching each other? That's what I find unacceptable. Could you inform me on what they're actually doing?
Cause it looks like kicks and punches.

 

[xevis]

You guys should do some more research. Elvoes and knees end fights quickly in a lot of cases, due to cuts from elbows and ko's from knees a lot of the time. Fights ending quickly is a good thing for combat sports. It results in less sustained brain trauma and cte symptoms. Banning knees and elbows not only makes it more dangerous for fighters, but removes half of the 8 limbs of muay thai, which is a main part of the striking aspect of mma.

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

 

[Ikuu]

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

But it's so much fun to watch.

 

[K.Jack]

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

So what's boxing?

 

[kinggroin]

So you're saying that people are not kicking and punching each other? That's what I find unacceptable. Could you inform me on what they're actually doing?
Cause it looks like kicks and punches.

It's about putting your discipline to practice, professionally, against students of other disciplines. That could involve punches, kicks and other types of attacks (all of which have to have been approved as legal within the sport).

These athlete combatants live for this challenge and find profound fulfillment in the mastery of said discipline.

What you find acceptable and not, doesn't factor into any discussion here. Not with MMA, Boxing or whatever.

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

Nope.

 

[xevis]

So what's boxing?

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

 

[Kei-]

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

Alright, as long as you're fine with boxing, football, wrestling (professional and amateur), sky diving and other extreme sports as well as recreational activities go away, then fine call for its ban, though I'd still disagree with you. Also auto racing.

As far as dangerous sports go, it's not that dangerous.

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

No they don't, they just punch each other in the head and jostle their brains around for 12 rounds. There's a reason you don't see many MMA fighter who are punch drunk. In fact there are only a handful, and those are the ones who were brawlers and had a prmaily boxing style. Boxing is more dangerous than MMA so odd that you're more okay with it.

 

[Apollo Cree]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

Boxing is significantly more dangerous when it comes to brain injuries. Boxing allows you to stand back up after you get your brain rattled so it can go get rattled again. All of the hits are directed to the torso and dome. In MMA, strikes are directed at every portion of the body.

I would rather break my arm than forget how to tie my own shoes in 20 years.

 

[MattKeil]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

Boxers do far more lasting damage to one another. Don't let the gloves fool you.

 

[Necro900]

It's about putting your discipline to practice, professionally, against students of other disciplines. That could involve punches, kicks and other types of attacks (all of which have to have been approved as legal within the sport).

These athlete combatants live for this challenge and find profound fulfillment in the mastery of said discipline.

What you find acceptable and not, doesn't factor into any discussion here. Not with MMA, Boxing or whatever.

Precisely my point, it doesn't factor into it. That's why I was laughing to that post about being uninformed, that's my view on sports with violent acts involved. And that's it, really.

Thanks for taking the time to explain what's at stake during a match, and I do believe they're painstakingly training in their discipline (hell, taking these blows requires balls of steel). I still think it's a borderline tribal practice, but that's me.

 

[Nosgotham]

Either way it's disrespectful.

Punching people in the face is disrespectful too. Hell. You calling his actions disrespectful is disrespectful.

Its a sport where you beat the shit out of eachother.

 

[Brerlappin]

What should I be informed on, precisely?

Both the paragraphs were my opinions, you can agree or disagree on my perception (what to me is violent may not be the same to you) of the violence involved in this sport, but where does "being informed" actually come in?

I don't think uninformed actually means what you think it means.

Maybe you should be informed about the thing you're having a righteous indignation attack about before spouting some I'll informed shite. It generally helps people take your argument a bit more seriously if you have some sort of clue about the thing you're talking about, which you clearly dont

 

[kinggroin]

Precisely my point, it doesn't factor into it. That's why I was laughing to that post about being uninformed, that's my view on sports with violent acts involved. And that's it, really.

Thanks for taking the time to explain what's at stake during a match, and I do believe they're painstakingly training in their discipline (hell, taking these blows requires balls of steel). I still think it's a borderline tribal practice, but that's me.

Fair enough

 

[-MD-]

Lol MMA threads in the OT always bring out uninformed shit posts, without fail.

It's really picking up steam now.

 

[scabro]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

Seriously, ive seen instructors take iceblocks, and smash them in half with their elbows.

disgusting stuff, really.

 

[Kei-]

Seriously, ive seen instructors take iceblocks, and smash them in half with their elbows.

disgusting stuff, really.

Lmao I hope this is a reference to the infamous reasoning behind the banning of the 12-to-6 elbow.

 

[Necro900]

Maybe you should be informed about the thing you're having a righteous indignation attack about before spouting some I'll informed shite. It generally helps people take your argument a bit more seriously if you have some sort of clue about the thing you're talking about, which you clearly dont

Yep, looks like I was ill informed, turns out I like MMA. My bad.

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Aaaand I'm outta here.

 

[Apollo Cree]

Punching people in the face is disrespectful too. Hell. You calling his actions disrespectful is disrespectful.

Its a sport where you beat the shit out of eachother.

I'm not going to sugar coat it. That's a dumb argument and you should stop trying to use it.
Most MMA fighters show a level of respect for their competitors. What he did was over the top and was terrible sportsmanship.

 

[Rellik]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

This feels like 1996 all over again with these ignorant views.

Boxing is a LOT more damaging on the brain than MMA. I'm a big fan of both sports, so no bias on my part. Just the facts of 12 rounds of punches to the dome and a standing count to allow people to recover so they can go at it more for extra damage. There's very few Mayweather's out there who knew how to avoid punches.

what did he taunt again after he found out his opponent had a fractured skull? if so yea that's disrespectful, if not then I don't see the problem with what he did

Exactly. He's actually spreading the word on his Twitter right now for Cyborg's GoFundMe. How disrespectful of him.

 

[Freshmaker]

So you're saying that people are not kicking and punching each other? That's what I find unacceptable. Could you inform me on what they're actually doing?
Cause it looks like kicks and punches.

Your definition of unacceptable is silly. Both parties know what they're in for, both agreed to the match, and both don't mind getting punched and kicked because they know that punches and kicks aren't the end of the world.

Boxing is a LOT more damaging on the brain than MMA. I'm a big fan of both sports, so no bias on my part. Just the facts of 12 rounds of punches to the dome and a standing count to allow people to recover so they can go at it more for extra damage. There's very few Mayweather's out there who knew how to avoid punches.

Yeah. There are plenty of studies backing this up. Detached retinas occur a lot more in boxing as well due to the constant pounding the head tends to endure as well.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

Boxing and football are far more dangerous than MMA.

 

[xevis]

Alright, as long as you're fine with boxing, football, wrestling (professional and amateur), sky diving and other extreme sports as well as recreational activities go away, then fine call for its ban, though I'd still disagree with you. Also auto racing.

Please don't put words in my mouth; I don't appreciate being strawmanned.

As far as dangerous sports go, it's not that dangerous.

UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

 

[Apollo Cree]

Please don't put words in my mouth; I don't appreciate being strawmanned.



UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

So it's not about it being dangerous and more about you being squeamish? Got it.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Please don't put words in my mouth; I don't appreciate being strawmanned.



UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

Lol if you don't think boxing and football don't revel in violence I don't know what to tell you. As if big football hits and boxing KOs aren't trending on social media in the same way this is. Whatever it takes to push your narrative, I guess.

 

[Kei-]

Please don't put words in my mouth; I don't appreciate being strawmanned.



UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

So if it's not due to its danger and it's because you don't like the violence and brutality, how about not watching it instead of selfishly calling for its ban?

 

[K.Jack]

I'm not crazy about boxing either but at least those guys don't knee and elbow each other in the face.

When a boxer gets knocked stiff, he's allowed to get up and continue receiving damage to an already rattled brain, if he can stand. So a guy on shaky legs becomes target practice for the next flurry of punches, during which the ref might stop the fight.

When an MMA fighter gets momentarily knocked stiff, the ref immediately waves it off, regardless of whether he seems to have "recovered" a few seconds later.

Seems like boxing is the barbaric sport. that doesn't care about its participants lives.

 

[Brerlappin]

Please don't put words in my mouth; I don't appreciate being strawmanned.



UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

You're aware the most effective style in MMA is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which doesn't involve punches, kicks, or any strikes at all, and is essentially a game of human chess? The majority of fights go to the ground, and end with submissions. Injuries like this are as much of a freak occurrence as a jockey falling off a horse and breaking his neck.

People get hurt in MMA. It's the hurt game. But no one watches it to see people get fatally wounded. Sadly in all contact sports sooner or later someone can get a career ending injury. It happens in soccer where I've seen people have their legs snapped from bad tackles. Should we ban that too?

 

[Freshmaker]

Seriously, ive seen instructors take iceblocks, and smash them in half with their elbows.

disgusting stuff, really.

Hardly. That's more of a physics gimmick.

I've punched through several concrete roofing tiles in one strike. I seriously doubt that I'd do catastrophic structural damage to someone I'm sparring with one punch however. The body is far more flexible, the opponent's moving, acting to minimize the damage, and not braced against two widely spaced out secure bases to maximize stress on the center of the object before you ever throw a strike at it etc.

 

[xevis]

Lol if you don't think boxing and football don't revel in violence I don't know what to tell you.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not OK with any of this but it's a question of degrees. As per the thread, this is a sport where a guy had his skull cracked because it's OK to knee your opponent in the face. How can you not be disturbed by that??

You're aware the most effective style in MMA is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which doesn't involve punches, kicks, or any strikes at all, and is essentially a game of human chess? The majority of fights go to the ground, and end with submissions. Injuries like this are as much of a freak occurrence as a jockey falling off a horse and breaking his neck.

That sounds awesome. Can we reform the UFC to follow Jiu Jitsu rules?

So if it's not due to its danger and it's because you don't like the violence and brutality, how about not watching it instead of selfishly calling for its ban?

I came here for Pokémon.

 

[IvorB]

Seeing justifications like this is sickening. UFC / MMA is horrible gladiatorial bloodsport and needs to go the fuck away.

What's wrong with gladiatorial bloodsports? Participation is voluntary these day so what's the problem?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

How close was he to dying?

 

[abstract alien]

Amazing. Damn, I love this guy, and he knows exactly what he is doing in promoting himself. Regardless of you liking/disliking him, you have a feeling invested in him. That's the most important thing.

Not only that, he has the confidence to go in and do what he wants, and believes in himself enough to actually attempt it. That's more than I can say for most.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not OK with any of this but it's a question of degrees. As per the thread, this is a sport where a guy had his skull cracked because it's OK to knee your opponent in the face. How can you not be disturbed by that??

You are using an outlier and acting like it's common or in anyway the norm. Guys participate in MMA all the time and almost never wind up with cracked skulls, even after being elbowed and knees. People don't tune in to see that, nor is it at all expected or common, no more than soccer players getting their ankles or knees torn apart is common, or the reason people watch, or football players getting their spines crushed is common, or the reason people watch.

 

[abstract alien]

You are using an outlier and acting like it's common or in anyway the norm. Guys participate in MMA all the time and almost never wind up with cracked skulls, even after being elbowed and knees. People don't tune in to see that, nor is it at all expected or common, no more than soccer players getting their ankles or knees torn apart is common, or the reason people watch, or football players getting their spines crushed is common, or the reason people watch.

That's the difference between reading headlines about something you aren't interested in and then making comments, versus actually knowing about something, it's community, talents, it's history and then making a comment.

 

[Freshmaker]

UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not. More, it revels in and promotes an especially ugly kind of savagery which I cannot stand.

Football causes far more long term injuries than MMA. Same for boxing.

You should really take a martial art. Get some point of understanding for what's going on.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

gross sport.

 

[Kei-]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not OK with any of this but it's a question of degrees. As per the thread, this is a sport where a guy had his skull cracked because it's OK to knee your opponent in the face. How can you not be disturbed by that??



That sounds awesome. Can we reform the UFC to follow Jiu Jitsu rules?



I came here for Pokémon.

If it's a matter of degrees, I still don't see why you're more okay with the other sports mentioned, people break bones and end up paralyzed because it's okay to tackle players in football, people end up wth cte because it's okay to box your opponents face to mush in boxing.

Why would we reform the ufc to jiu jitsu rules? There are already grappling only events.

Also you say you came for Pokémon, and are admittedly not interested in MMA, yet you you made a comment in passing wanting it to be banned. It's the exact mentality that almost killed the sport in its ealier days.

 

[Boombox On]

UFC / MMA is violent, brutal and immediate in ways that other contact sports, like boxing and football, are not.

You are still incorrect here. MMA, even over a fixed period of time, is a safer sport than boxing, football, soccer, wrestling, even basketball.

 

[xevis]

You are suing an outlier and acting like it's common or in anyway the norm.

How much of an outlier is it when there was a fatality earlier this year?

Guys participate in MMA all the time and almost never wind up with cracked skulls, even after being elbowed and knees.

Nobody should ever wind up with a cracked skull from participating in competitive sport. MMA explicitly allows contact that can demonstrably ruin an opponent. You can specialise in breaking skulls and be rewarded with success because of it. It's really messed up.

 

[Ikuu]

You can specialise in breaking skulls

lol

 

[Freshmaker]

How much of an outlier is it when there was a fatality earlier this year?

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I feel the same way about the deadly sickening sport of Ultimate Frisbee.

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Nobody should ever wind up with a cracked skull from participating in competitive sport. MMA explicitly allows contact that can demonstrably ruin an opponent. You can specialise in breaking skulls and be rewarded with success because of it. It's really messed up.

Right.

You can't specialize in breaking skulls. That's extremely difficult. It'd be completely unproductive to focus on that vs say knocking someone out for forcing a submission with a joint lock.

 

[Piers]

And I stopped watching just before this happened last night.
Damnit.

 

[Cromwell]

Even Joe Rogan said this is the worst MMA injury he's ever seen, and he's seen practically every single MMA fight ever held. This is not a common occurrence. It's completely horrible and fucked up, though, and people making jokes about it should be ashamed.

 

[K.Jack]

How much of an outlier is it when there was a fatality earlier this year?





Nobody should ever wind up with a cracked skull from participating in competitive sport. MMA explicitly allows contact that can demonstrably ruin an opponent. You can specialise in breaking skulls and be rewarded with success because of it. It's really messed up.

Then it should be easy for you to compile a list of MMA fights that ended with major injuries.

 

[DorkyMohr]

You can keep your comments about my preferred bloodsport in your pocket because guess what bucko it's safe!