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[Piecake]

Someone should send this to Ted Cruz.

 

[statham]

This is scary if true. very scary.

 

[User1608]

Racism sells. It's the same reason Putin and friends love to fund the far-right in Europe too.

They are beyond ignorant to reality at the very least.

People have become so obsessed with partisan politics, so invested in the idea that their side is the right side, that they can't let themselves think about anything that's not right with their side because it will challenge their entire "red vs blue" world view. It's easier to go "la la la can't hear you la la la libruls!" than to stop and think for once.

That, and racism and general bigotry is a distressingly powerful motivator.

Conservatives are great at getting their supporters to vote against their own self-interests.

They've become so invested in his demagoguery that they don't care about anything he does. Trump has done so many things that would've fucking sunk literally any other candidate in the last decade immediately but he keeps getting a pass because of how well he exploited the tea partier mindset.

I know this, it's just so...distressing and disturbing. Their man isnt even his own master, he seemingly has someone else at the helm. They're all jokes.

People need to understand that there's almost no far-right politician in the western World who's not backed by Putin. Trump is just the last one of a long list.

There's a global far-right insurgency around the World and Vladimir Putin is the puppet master.

Putin is such scum, but hopefully he'll fail miserably here come this election.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I'm willing to bet he's not the only republican getting money either. Fox News' sudden adoration of Putin as the strong leader they wished America had always felt weird.

 

[Sciz]

Donald Trump, defrauding people who believe in him to line his own pockets at the expense of everyone else? Take it away, Gilbert.

Release your taxes, motherfucker, and let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

 

[Damaniel]

And to think, Trump is going to be given regular intelligence briefings starting very soon. I always assumed his big orange mouth would leak stuff out over Twitter just because the dude can't help himself, but the idea (as remote as it is) that said information could end up being passed on to Russia in one way or another is downright appalling.

While the evidence for these Trump/Putin ties are still circumstantial, what we know so far is quite interesting and the media should start digging deep into this. I'm sure there's plenty more to be found here.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Reagan, 1987: “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”
Trump, 2016: "Mr. Putin, help me build this wall!"

 

[CertifiedFP]

Trump 2016: Make Alaska Russian Again.

 

[B-Dubs]

I don't think even he's dumb enough to have foreign money donating directly, but we've already seen him fudge the rules with his own money when it came to campaign finance.

Considering his campaign has already been caught soliciting foreign donations, I'm pretty sure he's exactly that dumb.

 

[ThisGuy]

I've heard Americans, who support trump, enjoy Putin's bravado.

I do not think this will hurt Trump among his supporters.

 

[Gattsu25]

I knew about some of this but not all.

Thanks for making this thread.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

This is scary if true. I can't believe the Republican "conservative" Establishment's is going along with this.

 

[texhnolyze]

There's not fucking way that the NSA, CIA nor the FBI don't know about this.

Plot twist: they're all behind Trump.

 

[Biske]

You have to imagine every news organization is doing to dig DEEP on this.

Except the American news media are generally incompetent asses. They've done more for the Trump campaign then he ever could have asked for.

 

[Piecake]

Except the American news media are generally incompetent asses. They've done more for the Trump campaign then he ever could have asked for.

They are not incompetent. They just mostly go after ratings and scandal. This could be a huge scandal

 

[Stinkles]

If this is even remotely true, and some of it demonstrably is (his weird position on Ukraine specifically, I assumed was because he might want to import future brides from there) then I don't know who could openly support this guy and still have any semblance of an IQ.

 

[Suikoguy]

If this is even remotely true, and some of it demonstrably is (his weird position on Ukraine specifically, I assumed was because he might want to import future brides from there) then I don't know who could openly support this guy and still have any semblance of an IQ.

If you buy into the idea that Free Trade is the cause of all of problems.
or
If you think immigrants and/or other minorities are the cause of all the problems.

That's about it, really.

You have to have some really fucked up priorities to overlook everything else for either of the above two reasons.

 

[Biske]

They are not incompetent. They just mostly go after ratings and scandal. This could be a huge scandal

Incompetent in that sense yes, they don't give a shit at how damaging some events are and soft ball the reporting. I have absolute confidence they will do so here.

 

[Speely]

If this is even remotely true, and some of it demonstrably is (his weird position on Ukraine specifically, I assumed was because he might want to import future brides from there) then I don't know who could openly support this guy and still have any semblance of an IQ.

Even people with average or even excellent reasoning abilities can construct models of reality that are extremely inaccurate. There are plenty of smart people who have fooled themselves.

 

[Rayis]

To think that in the 80's and earlier the Soviet Union was our mortal enemy, now we want to be governed by them by proxy.

 

[Polari]

Only problem is there's no real evidence. The following is presented as a smoking gun:

Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

But really, no shit. Anyone involved in prime real estate is going to have dealings with Russian investors. Look how dominant they've been in the London market.

Paul Manafort has advised the campaigns of Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain. That he spent "most of the last decade" as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych seems a misrepresentation. He worked as a consultant for him, most recently on his 2010 campaign. Like he worked as a consultant for all those Republican presidential candidates.

As for Carter Page, he seems pretty qualified for his role.

To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation.

Yeah, he's not CEO of a major American corporation. He's the leader of country with 143 million inhabitants. To trace everything related to Russia back to him is some Alex Jones-level conspiracy bullshit. If you guys want to sink to that level, fine.

 

[Crayons]

What if Donald Trump's entire campaign was started by deep cover Russian spies?

 

[rokkerkory]

What if Donald Trump's entire campaign was started by deep cover Russian spies?

Heil Hydra!!!

 

[Suikoguy]

Yeah, he's not CEO of a major American corporation. He's the leader of country with 143 million inhabitants. To trace everything related to Russia back to him is some Alex Jones-level conspiracy bullshit. If you guys want to sink to that level, fine.

Next thing you are going to tell me that this is due to "years of provocation from the West"

 

[Piecake]

Only problem is there's no real evidence. The following is presented as a smoking gun:



But really, no shit. Anyone involved in prime real estate is going to have dealings with Russian investors. Look how dominant they've been in the London market.

Paul Manafort has advised the campaigns of Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain. That he spent "most of the last decade" as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych seems a misrepresentation. He worked as a consultant for him, most recently on his 2010 campaign. Like he worked as a consultant for all those Republican presidential candidates.

As for Carter Page, he seems pretty qualified for his role.



Yeah, he's not CEO of a major American corporation. He's the leader of country with 143 million inhabitants. To trace everything related to Russia back to him is some Alex Jones-level conspiracy bullshit. If you guys want to sink to that level, fine.

There is no smoking gun. He makes that perfectly clear in the article that this is a list of circumstantial evidence. What is disturbing is that there is a lot of it.

I mean, is there a better explanation why Trump desperately only fought to change/add one thing in the Republican platform - that being that The GOP no longer supports arming Ukraine to kick out Russia - besides Trump making a deal with Putin or the oligarchs? That does not necessarily mean that he is a Russian plant, but that he made a deal.

Trump is propped up by loans from Russia is a fact. It is also a known fact that Russia bankrolls extreme right parties in Europe. Putin's propaganda machine praises Trump while it slams Clinton and Putin used Russian hackers to hack the DNC in the likely attempt to hurt the democrats and help Trump.

The journalist who wrote this is not claiming that Trump is a Russian plant and neither am I, but all of this shit is very worrying, and it would not surprise me if Trump made some 'deals' to get this money and support.

This is hardly Alex Jones shit.

 

[C4Lukins]

Fuck Trump and Fuck Putin. I hope someone makes a pretzel out of them where these two cunts die with their limbs broken and their noses buried in each others ass.

 

[Resident_UA]

Only problem is there's no real evidence.

I would call his comments on NATO and change of Republican Party's stance on Ukraine (pushed by Trump) very real evidence. Both came out of nowhere. Definitely enough to get me scared.

 

[GYODX]

There's not fucking way that the NSA, CIA nor the FBI don't know about this.

If there's something else there beyond the circumstantial and publicly available evidence that your average Joe can find and blog about, they'd know about it. The fact that they haven't done anything about any supposed collusion between Trump and the Russians should tell you that there isn't one. Unless you think our intelligence apparatus is either massively incompetent or corrupt to the core.

 

[Nokterian]

They've become so invested in his demagoguery that they don't care about anything he does. Trump has done so many things that would've fucking sunk literally any other candidate in the last decade immediately but he keeps getting a pass because of how well he exploited the tea partier mindset.

Same thing that is happening in the Netherlands with Geert Wilders..everyone is blinded and just see Muslims as bad people. But what is even more scary about geert he wants to destroy everything in this country and that's a fact. There not using common sense at all but it is also most of the older people in there 50's that carry that hate with it.

Young people in particular are not seeing the bad side..one of the bad side is he wants to completely remove and replace health care to become worse..just a prime example.

 

[Fhtagn]

I would call his comments on NATO and change of Republican Party's stance on Ukraine (pushed by Trump) very real evidence. Both came out of nowhere. Definitely enough to get me scared.

Yeah, those two aspects are the ones that tip this over into unsettling territory. The rest makes sense just as a consequence of his business dealings and bankruptcies, but those two are genuinely weird as heck.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Yeah, those two aspects are the ones that tip this over into unsettling territory. The rest makes sense just as a consequence of his business dealings and bankruptcies, but those two are genuinely weird as heck.

Well, there's also the strong support for Trump from state-aligned press outlets in Russia. Add to that the hack of the DNC servers (which has been credibly tied to Russian intelligence), and it looks more than a little sketchy.

Not "Trump is a Russian agent" sketchy, but "Trump is clearly chummier with Russia than we should be comfortable with, and Putin clearly wants Trump to win the election" sketchy.

 

[GreatestHits]

Honestly, he'd probably be impeached faster than any other president in history, even if he were elected and Russia doubled down on their resources into him. Trump would be a shit-show for America. I think Putin is kinda into that #thatsmyfetish

 

[titiklabingapat]

If he is colluding with Putin directly or indirectly, that means he is a traitor.

 

[Sianos]

There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on.

I would call his comments on NATO and change of Republican Party's stance on Ukraine (pushed by Trump) very real evidence. Both came out of nowhere. Definitely enough to get me scared.

I agree. It strikes me as very suspicious, particularly how Trump was so ambivalent towards the Republican platform besides this one very specific piece that just so happens to hurt Putin and suddenly prompted a very strong response with little explanation.

 

[sans_pants]

It's not in the media spotlight. Could always try tweeting at him about it till he responds. Or start a hashtag.

#trumpforgulag

 

[GreatestHits]

You guys act like presidential traitors to America is news-worthy, or at least something new. This is BAU for a lot of our foreign friends/foes

 

[Elfforkusu]

There's actually a conspiracy theory on the Right that some Russian company donated $150 million to the Clinton Foundation after Hillary (when she was SoS) approved them buying a US company that produces Uranium in a kind of pay for play deal. Of course it's bunch of garbage. But it makes sense in that Republicans are the masters of projection.

This?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

[RustyNails]

Willing to bet the "vested interests" had a hand in the DNC email leaks. The fact that its coordinated at the same time as convention is a christmas present for Trump.

 

[Palette Swap]

I'm the first guy who'll say he's effectively batting for Putin, but I don't believe in any conspiracy or "yes, Mister President" crazy dealings.

I believe Putin and Trump are allies, in the sense that they share common world views, that authoritarian regimes make Trump hard, and that if Putin can scratch Trump's back at little cost, he will do so. But no, I don't think Trump would leak intelligence to Russia or ask them for money directly.

 

[Wilsongt]

Someone needs to analyze Crooked Hillary and the Crooked, Lyin' Clinton Foundation now. Taking all of that foreign money from countries that kills gays as well as that private prison money.

 

[Biske]

But no, I don't think Trump would leak intelligence to Russia or ask them for money directly.

I think he absolutely will. And he already solicits foreign donors for contributions. Hell he will leak that shit on twitter. I'll bet you a million dollars.

 

[SporeCrawler]

So if you support republicans you support communism, right? Crazy ass world we live in.

 

[mo60]

This is really scary if true. It's really scary how a foreign power may be trying to be influencing another country's election. Russia has technically already influenced elections and politics in countries close to them It's questionable if they are doing the same thing in the US.

 

[Vagabundo]

So Trump is a Putin sock puppet. It doesn't surprise me.

Republicans don't hate the Ruskies any more?

 

[BradC00]

wtf.

 

[KDR_11k]

I don't think even he's dumb enough to have foreign money donating directly, but we've already seen him fudge the rules with his own money when it came to campaign finance.

His son was dumb enough to solicit donations from UK politicians.

 

[wildfire]

I wish this thread was getting even more attention than it is getting already. These are very serious allegations that are too hard to ignore.

When Trump started this whole campaign it was always weird how someone could put his branding business at risk with the negativity he's generating. I always saw his strategy as successful in winning the primary but I never understood why he would pursue this because there was always the potential to lose the election which would hurt his brand. Now it's a fact that he's blackballed by all but one bank operating in the US so that explains he can't be financially hurt in the same way.

If his source of funding is from the Russians though this means Trump is tangibly a national security threat. This would be pretty disgusting and I hope it is being investigated by our various intelligence agencies.

 

[massoluk]

Come to think about it, the fact that every single major bank in the United States refuses to do any more business with Trump should be taken as a precautionary tale instead of badge of honor.

 

[FStubbs]

If this situation were reversed Fox news would be screaming for indictment and GOPers would be taking the streets with weapons.

Racism is a helluva drug I guess.

 

[Yagharek]

Trump 2016: Make Alaska Russian Again.

Explains why Palin didnt attend the RNC