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[sans_pants]

i used to watch a lot of keiser


dude is unhinged but he does bring some fucked up stuff to light that you wont see on mainstream news

 

[WedgeX]

this whole tweet chain is incredible: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/757092784331300864

e. max keiser works for russia today's american branch (putin-controlled state media)

Yeah. Its all but confirmed today. Amazing how sophisticated Russia's online hacking and troll presence has become since Putin took back over.

 

[TAJ]

this whole tweet chain is incredible: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/757092784331300864

e. max keiser works for russia today's american branch (putin-controlled state media)

Reads like an admission?

 

[aeolist]

Reads like an admission?

an american media stooge for putin isn't going to have direct intelligence from the FSB/GRU, but i'm sure there's directives coming down from the top that make things pretty clear for everyone at RT

they want trump and they want him bad

 

[gutter_trash]

Former Senior Advisor to Obama, David Axelrod

What is DS?

 

[aeolist]

What is DS?

Ds as in democrats

 

[WedgeX]

What is DS?

Democrats, probably.

 

[Gattsu25]

What is DS?

D as in Democrat.

So he's saying Democrats didn't play Russian hacking card idly today. Subtext is they suspect deep financial ties between @realDonaldTrump & Russian oligarchs.

 

[Piecake]

Interesting scoop but I'm confused by the article as far as the money. Deutsche Bank is providing the financing or is the author really claiming that foreign money from Russia/Kazakhstan is circulating in the US banking system?

He is claiming that his business partners are Russian oligarchs or people who have ties to Putin because that is the only way he can fund his projects now

"Mr. Lauria brokered a $50 million investment in Trump SoHo and three other Bayrock projects by an Icelandic firm preferred by wealthy Russians “in favor with” President Vladimir V. Putin, according to a lawsuit against Bayrock by one of its former executives. The Icelandic company, FL Group, was identified in a Bayrock investor presentation as a “strategic partner,” along with Alexander Mashkevich, a billionaire once charged in a corruption case involving fees paid by a Belgian company seeking business in Kazakhstan; that case was settled with no admission of guilt."

Another suit alleged the project "occasionally received unexplained infusions of cash from accounts in Kazakhstan and Russia."

Moreover, his debt load has increased in the last year than the money that Deutsche Bank have lent him. If all the other major banks have black balled him for not repaying his debts and going into bankruptcy and Deutsche Bank simply hasn't loaned him enough, then you can connect the dots that Russian oligarchs and Putin are the one lending him this money due to the long history of investing in his projects and buying his property will above market value.

 

[BlueTsunami]

So all the Trump supporters, mainly Republicans, by extension, are pinko commies? What the fuck.

 

[TheOMan]

Comrade Trump needs to catch on.

 

[jmdajr]

Hmmmmm

 

[Guileless]

But Hillary and Trump are equally ba- *shot*

We need to beat this guy.

Understand the point, but Hillary has no credibility on Russia after the reset button fiasco.

 

[WedgeX]

Understand the point, but Hillary has no credibility on Russia after the reset button fiasco.

Fiasco?

Come on.

 

[TheUntamedLegend]

Is there any hard evidence that ties the DNC leaks to Russia?

 

[jerd]

So funny that Trump has spent months and months heavily implying that Obama has ties to terrorists and cop killers to no response, then the second someone suggests something similar of him his camp loses their fucking shit

 

[Piecake]

Is there any hard evidence that ties the DNC leaks to Russia?

Last month, the forensic firm CrowdStrike said two competing Russian intelligence hacker groups penetrated the DNC’s computers. In the past 24 hours, cybersecurity experts have said that the email cache released by WikiLeaks on Friday appears to have been given to the anti-secrecy group by Russian intelligence.

Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College London, said in an interview that in a private chat on Twitter on Saturday, he communicated with the entity that claimed to have released the email cache to WikiLeaks.

The party, which calls itself Guccifer2, last month claimed responsibility for the DNC hack. Several independent analysts have concluded that Guccifer2, who claimed to be Romanian, is likely linked to Russia.

“We’ve been looking at this very closely from both the technical and non-technical spheres,” said Richard Barger, chief information officer for ThreatConnect, a cyber-intelligence software firm. “Based on our analysis, we strongly feel Guccifer2 is linked to a Russian information operations campaign and is not the independent Romanian hacker that he claims to be.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5428e6-51a8-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html

And for clarity's sake on this (Transcribed originally by Pigeon) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211099596&postcount=620

Let's review the question of Russian intelligence's involvement in these leaks, which seems controversial to some.

1)Once the DNC uncovered the hacked, it hired a top-shelf firm called Crowd Strike to conduct a forensic review. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b7a0_story.htm

2) Crowd Strike traced the hack back to groups called Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.

3) Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear are long time affiliates of Russian intelligence. Crowd Strike report explains here. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bea...nal-committee/ …

4) Can we say that they were working on behalf of Russia with certainty? This is murky by nature. But there's a long, clear history.

5) What's the alternative theory? A Romanian hacker called Guccifer 2.0 claims credit for the hack.

6) But @VICE pretty much shredded his credibility. https://t.co/56JQAZ8zxp

7) @VICE spoke to Guccifer via email--and seemed pretty unconvinced by his Romanian skills.

8) Also Guccifer called requests to speak in Romanian "a waste of time"

9) Furthermore all the metadata on the DNC docs is in Russian.

10) And consider Julian Assange's history with the Kremlin--he steered Snowden to Russian, he hosted RT show, etc https://t.co/OW95LiFqjb

11) For the record, I don't like what Wikileaks uncovered at the DNC. It should aspire to neutrality in a primary.

12) But the DNC hardly determined the fate of the election. And Sanders people should push for reforms, while not exaggerating the facts.

13)My attempt to explain the leaks and Putin's grand strategy in narrative form is here. https://t.co/CE9nVZ9CN8

Click here for Tweets showing wikileaks repeat Russian propaganda

Julian Assange, wikileaks dude, has his own show on the Russian Propaganda channel

 

[WedgeX]

Is there any hard evidence that ties the DNC leaks to Russia?

Well there's the Washington Post's summary including the similarities between the cyber attack on the DNC and those in Ukraine and France. Which I posed last page. CrowdStrike's analysis. ThreatConnect's analysis.


edit:

Piecake beat me to it.

 

[Opto]

Of course this won't get much play in the media because they can't have an election where it's easy to choose a candidate based on Russian influence. Trump campaign broke the law by soliciting Australian and British MPs and no one made a stink about it

 

[radios shipping overview]

Of course this won't get much play in the media because they can't have an election where it's easy to choose a candidate based on Russian influence. Trump campaign broke the law by soliciting Australian and British MPs and no one made a stink about it

In my mind the links between Russian intelligence and the DNC leaks should be getting coverage on the level of the Watergate break-in. But I'm not sure if we live in a world where even that would sway the course of an election.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

He is claiming that his business partners are Russian oligarchs or people who have ties to Putin because that is the only way he can fund his projects now

Moreover, his debt load has increased in the last year than the money that Deutsche Bank have lent him. If all the other major banks have black balled him for not repaying his debts and going into bankruptcy and Deutsche Bank simply hasn't loaned him enough, then you can connect the dots that Russian oligarchs and Putin are the one lending him this money due to the long history of investing in his projects and buying his property will above market value.

But what's the denomination of this money? The problem is that it doesn't sound like these assets are denominated in Russian ruble or Kazakhstan tenge, but USD. Hence my confusion about how he's being financed since he's being allegedly blackballed. Obviously foreign money has to be exchanged and cannot circulate here.

 

[tuxfool]

But what's the denomination of this money? The problem is that it doesn't sound like these assets are denominated in Russian ruble or Kazakhstan tenge, but USD. Hence my confusion about how he's being financed since he's being allegedly blackballed. Obviously foreign money has to be exchanged and cannot circulate here.

Do you really think that lot keep their fortune in Rubles?

 

[DirtyManos]

Of course this won't get much play in the media because they can't have an election where it's easy to choose a candidate based on Russian influence. Trump campaign broke the law by soliciting Australian and British MPs and no one made a stink about it

They were just having a discussion about the emails on MSNBC, and someone brought up the Russian link. The moderator cut off the discussion saying they were gonna continue it after the break, but when they got back on they didn't.


Whatever the worth of the story of the content of the emails is, I just can't imagine it compares to the sorta obvious idea that there is an active effort by an antagonistic regime trying to influence our presidential election.

It feels like that bullshit thing in the big networks where they try to balance every negative story about Trump with a negative story about Clinton, as if the two stories carried the same weight.

"Two staffers in the DNC contemplate attacks on Sanders that never materialized and were shot down" vs "Russian Hackers coordinate DNC unrest through propaganda mouthpiece"

It's honestly starting to become seriously aggravating considering the stakes.

 

[Guileless]

Fiasco?

Come on.

What was good about the "Russian reset?" It was premised on the argument that the frosty US-Russia relations by 2009 were due to the incorrigible Bush Administration, and that Putin was blameless. You agree with that?

 

[Ether_Snake]

The media will do all they can to not make too much of a fuss with this story, because as stated it makes things too clear cut and the media doesn't want that.

Also, I don't think Dems will want to hammer this too much, because if in a debate Trump says it's scare tactics from warmongering-crooked-Hillary, it will stick in people's mind. People in general aren't interested in conflicts with Russia and would prefer that the US works with them against terrorists. If the Democrats start hammering the idea that Russia is trying to ruin the US somehow, it's a big reversal of what is usually a Republican line and it won't play well at all.

So it's gonna be up to investigative journalism to do its thing, and if it doesn't happen then that's as far as this will go.

 

[WedgeX]

What was good about the "Russian reset?" It was premised on the argument that the frosty US-Russia relations by 2009 were due to the incorrigible Bush Administration, and that Putin was blameless. You agree with that?

An attempt at deescalation and diplomacy? Hardly a bad idea although sad that it didn't work out.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

 

[Piecake]

But what's the denomination of this money? The problem is that it doesn't sound like these assets are denominated in Russian ruble or Kazakhstan tenge, but USD. Hence my confusion about how he's being financed since he's being allegedly blackballed. Obviously foreign money has to be exchanged and cannot circulate here.

A Manhattan judge has unsealed a civil tax fraud case brought in behalf of New York State against associates of Donald Trump. The suit accuses convicted racketeer and Felix Sater, Bayrock Group, and prominent law firms of conspiring to launder as much as $250 million dollars of profit on Trump projects Bayrock was co-developing out of the country in a scheme to evade $100 million dollars of state and federal income tax. It alleges that Bayrock -- aided by law firms Kramer Levin, Roberts & Holland, and Duval & Stachenfeld – brought a foreign partner into the projects but then hid it behind a Delaware shell company and further disguised the transaction so wholesale transfers of profits corruptly headed overseas to that partner would falsely appear to be debt repayments to a U.S. lender. Defendant Nixon Peabody is charged with facilitating a separate multimillion withholding tax fraud by disguising Sater as a salaried employee to help hide the fact that he owned much of Bayrock.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-prosecution-of-trump-projects-300298935.html

The Bayrock group is the group that Trump worked with has ties with Russian Oligarchs and the Russian mob. They received a lot of their financing from an Icelandic bank (or something) that is known to work with Russian Oligarchs.

The Bayrock group is established in the United States. Russians can do business in the United States and there are only a few individuals who are barred from doing so. There are plenty Oligarchs close to Putin left and I would imagine that is rather easy to get around as well.

Its all in the original article, and the original article has links to other articles that go into more detail about how Trump is getting Russian cash.

 

[Piecake]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

That has to be one of the most insane things that I've ever read

 

[gcubed]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

This is truly one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum

 

[ErnieMcCracken]

That has to be one of the most insane things that I've ever read

I'm still trying to take it in.

 

[Drensch]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

The fuck?

 

[WedgeX]

That has to be one of the most insane things that I've ever read

This is truly one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum

I'm still trying to take it in.

I just...what.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Really, I'm just sick of all the wars with indecipherable motives and crony capitalism.

 

[CyberMiguel]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

 

[WedgeX]

Really, I'm just sick of all the wars with indecipherable motives and crony capitalism.

Like the invasion of Georgia? Or Ukraine?

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Like the invasion of Georgia? Or Ukraine?

I can at least understand that the Russians did not want more US military facilities on their borders. I still have no actual understanding of why invading Iraq was anything other than massively self defeating.

One thing I know for sure is that no comment critical of Clinton is going to slip by undogpiled in the next year or so.

 

[tuxfool]

I can at least understand that the Russians did not want more US military facilities on their borders. I still have no actual understanding of why invading Iraq was anything other than massively self defeating.

So wars are fine if you understand the motivation? Regardless of whether it is right or wrong?

You're only going to get dogpiled if you say something damn stupid. Like saying the Russian Oligarchy is "clean".

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I can at least understand that the Russians did not want more US military facilities on their borders. I still have no actual understanding of why invading Iraq was anything other than massively self defeating.

One thing I know for sure is that no comment critical of Clinton is going to slip by undogpiled in the next year or so.

So is that why they expanded their borders in Ukraine annexing part of it? By the same logic why is Putin propping up the biggest murderer in Syria bombing hospitals and civilians daily?

Hey if you say stupid shit, people will call you out on it.

 

[mlclmtckr]

Underreguated banks: Worse than actual kleptocracy.

 

[Piecake]

I can at least understand that the Russians did not want more US military facilities on their borders. I still have no actual understanding of why invading Iraq was anything other than massively self defeating.

One thing I know for sure is that no comment critical of Clinton is going to slip by undogpiled in the next year or so.

Thinking that there is less crony capitalism in Russia than in the United States and Clinton is a threat to start a nuclear war deserves to be dog-piled on. The first one is simply false and the second one is just nuts.

I'll point out that I don't think Putin is a threat to start a nuclear war either.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I'll point out that I don't think Putin is a threat to start a nuclear war either.

Putin won't start it but he is the only one outside N.Korea sabre rattling with it.

 

[tuxfool]

I'll point out that I don't think Putin is a threat to start a nuclear war either.

Frankly it is nuts to consider any major nation of any stability starting a nuclear war.

 

[spiderman123]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

 

[tuxfool]

Not even Wharf is rearing for that fight.

 

[diaspora]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.

This is so monumentally asinine.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

So wars are fine if you understand the motivation? Regardless of whether it is right or wrong?

You're only going to get dogpiled if you say something damn stupid. Like saying the Russian Oligarchy is "clean".

I don't say that they are "clean" just that you can understand many things they do as maintaining their own security which is a least predictable. Perhaps they are just relatively small and straight forward in how they do things.

 

[BigJonsson]

If an investigation into these allegations is already underway I think it'll be made public soon if the reputable media can actual tie more of these things together

 

[tuxfool]

I don't say that they are "clean" just that you can understand many things they do as maintaining their own security which is a least predictable. Perhaps they are just relatively small and straight forward in how they do things.

So if I clearly state my reasoning and intent for murdering somebody, I'm good to go?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

The sad thing is that the funding Trump gets from from Putin is probably still morally cleaner than the funding Clinton gets from the banks. Probably one of the major concerns for Putin internationally is avoiding scenarios that could lead to nuclear war. Not sure if the same is true for Clinton and her backers.