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[ZeroX03]

A and B. That was easy.

Nintendo is going to pick differently.

They're going to have to. $300 isn't a sustainable price for a handheld, and as a console you've just entered XB1 Slim territory.

 

[javac]

I think it's exactly this. I think instead of saying "how can we sell 100 million consoles again?" Or "how can we compete with Sony and MS again?", Nintendo had a reality check and said to themselves "Look, between handheld and console we feel we have a fairly solid and loyal base of 20-30 million users, let's try and serve them in the most fiscally efficient way and make the most money we can off of them, while at the same time diversifying into things like mobile, movies, theme parks, ect... as alternative revenue streams". I mean, in the same way Marvel/Disney don't expect the millions of people who watch MCU movies yearly to magically start buying comic books, I don't think Nintendo can expect Pokemon Go to convince casual non-gamers to buy dedicated gaming hardware, but guess what? Their money is just as green as yours.

Exactly. Make no mistake, Nintendo want to sell as many consoles as possible, the more the better. This isn't some self sabotage but rather like you said Nintendo realizing the lay of land and spreading out and and making money elsewhere which is possible due to their IP that resonates with so many people of all walks of life, many of which are happy to spend money on Nintendo's mobile offerings but don't care for a fully fledged gaming experience. In a similar sense, expect Pokemon Sun and Moon to see an increase in sales from previous games due to Pokemon Go, absolutely, but don't expect all 75 million to buy a 3DS. Both the mobile and console spaces can exist together, and so expect a small intersection in the venn diagram, both however will ultimately exist as separate entities, and as you eloquently put it, their money is just as green as the others. Marvel and Disney are a great example of this, those movies make bank but the whole operation is a finely tuned machine that works together and maximizes their reach.

 

[Asd202]

This feels like Wii all over again.


WiiU on the other hand was considered shit from the get go.

I don't know it doesn't have something to fall back on like the motion controls. It's just a powerful handheld with an ability to play on TV. Simillar devices didn't work in the past like Vita or PSTV. I think Nintendo is banking on their IPs and games. That's really a gamble.

 

[Somnid]

Stuffing a Pixel C into a smaller form factor and expecting it to dramatically reduce in price doesn't strike me as especially reasonable. It will be expensive.

 

[Little Mons†er]

Wow!!!

They actually did it! First Pokémon Go, now a 2 in 1 system, King Nintendo's heading back to Wii era levels of relevance, I can feel it!

Looking forward to the possibilities:
- no more disc scratches to worry about, cartridges will likely eliminate load times too
- expecting Xbox 1 level graphics or close to it so I can see slightly scaled down ports of FFVII Remake and Kingdom Hearts 3
- hoping for all currently owned VC games to be transferable to the new machine
- hopefully no more of those rancid gyro controls since this isn't BC
- ......what if the cartridge slot lets you play the 3DS library? I know there's no BC with Wii U but that would be amazing!
- imagine a $250 console and $40 games? Huge bonus vs. the Bone and PS4 with their $60 games

The Wii U is a great system but I'm happy to see Nintendo aiming for that #1 spot again. This is too much for a Tuesday. Whew!

Slaytendo going for that #1 spot AGAIN!

Sony and Microsoft should be scared

Slaytendo bout to snatch our weaves AGAIN!

Poor everyone, we're all doomed!

 

[rand0mZer0]

I like this

 

[Fourth Storm]

This also opens the door to a variety of snap-on controllers. They needn't stick to just one config.

 

[Kissenkopf]

Hm, I guess some or even a lot of people here like that idea but I don't need a powerful handheld. Nearly anybody does...this thing will sell worse than the Wii U.
What is special about it? It's like the Gameboy and Super Gameboy. Yay, finally I can play the handheld games on my TV. That doesn't change the way we play and it's just absolutly lame.
Sorry nintendo, but if thats true, I'm out.

 

[DrROBschiz]

They can Win in Japan for sure with this and is likely their focus

Traditionally they always design to Japan if you think about it

Having the dock allows them to dip into Global market by offering a higher powered console setup if its desired

This could work.

 

[BossDarkseid]

I know you're right, but just imagine it.

Nintendos art style on an oled screen?!

I have a Wii U connected to an oled which is great but my god I can't tolerate off screen play on that shitty display.

Oh i'd love it, no doubt.

My concern with NX would be form factor at this point since I don't EXPECT anything particular good in terms of the screen. I've really never liked the Wii U's gamepad - its just never felt right - and while the portability of the NX sounds great having Zelda etc on the go sounds good but could so easily be awful to experience.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

No thanks Nintendo, cannot stand handheld gaming, in all forms. It being weak is a huge dissapointment but I guess it was expected. Still I held out some hope.

Sorry this is the Wii U again. Nintendo fans will eat it up, but that's about it.

Uuuuuh... Nintendo's handhelds are typically way more successful than their home consoles. Just look at WiiU vs 3DS. Sorry you're disappointed (people seriously expected it to be a "hardcore" console!?), but this is not the Wii U again.

 

[_Clash_]

This is Yamauchi's "we will either rise to heaven or sink to hell" redux.

Not liking this cartridge format though; too much cost and old Nintendo cut.

Appeals to the gamer in me that likes fast load times and that feeling of nostalgia.

It's the fun choice.

 

[Chezzymann]

I don't know it doesn't has something to fall back on like the motion controls. It's just a powerful handheld with an ability to play on TV. Simillar devices didn't work in the past like Vita or PSTV.

Wait I could play my vita on my TV? Is there some cable you need?

 

[schuelma]

If Nintendo is smart they are working their ass off on some sort of Pokemon Go tie in to be ready at launch.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Seems like a good call.

Wii U Go: Put it in "H"

 

[Seiniyta]

I assume the controller ports will be USB right? In that case Smash is safe

Seems interesting, though I do hope it's stronger then the WiiU at least. Just because I'd love to see Nintendo games with their beautiful art styles in higher fidelity at lovely framerates.

 

[Kintaro]

Rumored 7" screen? Its like the least portable portable they could think of.

 

[AntMurda]

If Nintendo is smart they are working their ass off on some sort of Pokemon Go tie in to be ready at launch.

No. F2P audience is jumping over bruh.

 

[Sakura]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I would've liked a more powerful console, but on the other hand, for the past while I've far more enjoyed Nintendo's handheld offerings than their console ones, so a decently powerful handheld that Nintendo would be focusing all their support on is appealing to me.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I hope Nintendo has at least one more round of New Nintendo 3DS hardware to release this holiday season. I'd like a spare to stash away as a backup if or when my unit ever dies on me. I knew I should have bought a spare when I had the chance.

 

[SpecX]

Wow!!!

They actually did it! First Pokémon Go, now a 2 in 1 system, King Nintendo's heading back to Wii era levels of relevance, I can feel it!

Looking forward to the possibilities:
- no more disc scratches to worry about, cartridges will likely eliminate load times too
- expecting Xbox 1 level graphics or close to it so I can see slightly scaled down ports of FFVII Remake and Kingdom Hearts 3
- hoping for all currently owned VC games to be transferable to the new machine
- hopefully no more of those rancid gyro controls since this isn't BC
- ......what if the cartridge slot lets you play the 3DS library? I know there's no BC with Wii U but that would be amazing!
- imagine a $250 console and $40 games? Huge bonus vs. the Bone and PS4 with their $60 games

The Wii U is a great system but I'm happy to see Nintendo aiming for that #1 spot again. This is too much for a Tuesday. Whew!

Lmao, all of this and the gif at the end killed me. I had to walk away from my desk from laughter.

 

[nkarafo]

So, weaker than the WiiU.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Oh i'd love it, no doubt.

My concern with NX would be form factor at this point since I don't EXPECT anything particular good in terms of the screen. I've really never liked the Wii U's gamepad - its just never felt right - and while the portability of the NX sounds great having Zelda etc on the go sounds good but could so easily be awful to experience.

Form Factor is my largest concern right now but they are pretty good at making their stuff ergonomic i suppose

I need the portable to be at least as competent if not better than the Vita

So, weaker than the WiiU.

WiiU isnt a very powerful machine and I imagine current gen Tegra outperforms it by a significant margin

We are talking old Power PC tech here cmon. And Nintendo squeezed 1080p/60 out of that junk

 

[AmyS]

Wait I could play my vita on my TV? Is there some cable you need?

Only PlayStation TV.

Vita doesn't have any video-out, like the PSP did starting with the PSP-2000.

 

[MuchoMalo]

No BC is ridiculous.
At this stage Nintendo should launch some kind of monthly subscription service that gives you access to their back catalogue of games.

Hardcore Nintendo fans must have bought multiple versions of the same game across multiple devices so many times by now...

You never should have expected BC. Hardware Wii U BC is impossible for about 20,000 reasons, and 3DS BC isn't possible because this seems to only have one screen and is also very different from 3DS in terms of hardware (no, it's not as simple as "they're both ARM").

So, weaker than the WiiU.

No.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Rumored 7" screen? Its like the least portable portable they could think of.

Where's this rumor from?

 

[Team Andromeda]

So its going to be a overpriced Handheld and a under spec console . Nice one Nintendo you please no-one and thanks to Carts and lack of current spec's 3rd party support will be even more of a joke than it is on the Wii U .

 

[Mediking]

And can you guys really blame Nintendo for being extremely hesitant about consoles anymore? Hell, they don't wanna do what Sony and Microsoft does... which is fighting for exclusive content from 3rd party games all the time. HOWEVER.... I still which the docking station or whatever of the NX had the power of a PS4, at least.

 

[Zombie James]

So, weaker than the WiiU.

Nope.

 

[mclem]

So once again, we won't be getting much if any third party support because devs don't want to have to build lesser versions of their games/engines for lower-end hardware.

Well, by that logic, the PS4 and Xbox One are screwed when the Neo and Scorpio are released.

 

[Spaghetti]

As someone who used and enjoyed his 3DS way more than his Wii U, I am okay with the NX being a supercharged handheld I can play on my TV.

 

[JimPanzer]

Hm, I guess some or even a lot of people here like that idea but I don't need a powerful handheld. Nearly anybody does...this thing will sell worse than the Wii U.
What is special about it? It's like the Gameboy and Super Gameboy. Yay, finally I can play the handheld games on my TV. That doesn't change the way we play and it's just absolutly lame.
Sorry nintendo, but if thats true, I'm out.

If it sells like the Gameboy Nintendo will be happy I guess.

 

[Chezzymann]

Only PlayStation TV.

Vita doesn't have any video-out, like the PSP did starting with the PSP-2000.

But the PS TV isn't a handled though, like you can't disconnect it and play on the bus

 

[Kissenkopf]

Nope.

But not much better.

 

[HotHamBoy]

I whipped this up pretty quick. My best guess atm. I'm thinking Wii Remote-style rotation.

 

[jmdajr]

Looks functional to me.

great!

 

[Asd202]

Wait I could play my vita on my TV? Is there some cable you need?

I said simillar devices not the same. Meaning Vita a powerful handheld, PSTV handheld games on TV.

 

[DJIzana]

If this is an expensive console then I'll be there day 1 ONLY if it has a lot of unique launch games and if the gimmick holds up. I expect games to look at least on par with Xbox One or PS4 though. If the games aren't there at launch then I'll hold off until we get a fair number of good ones I want.

 

[cyba89]

As someone who usually buys both their handheld and console I don't see how this thing will be better than two seperate dedicated devices.

For people who usually only buy one Nintendo device this is good because they get a lot more games.
The question is if this thing will be too expensive, big and power hungry for the handheld market and at the same time too underpowered for the console market. Then you just get the worst of both worlds.

 

[odhiex]

Seriously, no BC!?

Wow...I hope they gonna launch this with a bunch of ready-to-play games. Faster.

 

[sikkinixx]

You're being a bit dramatic, don't you think? Wii U gamepad screen is fine. I play Pokken Tournament and MK8 laying in bed at night all of the time, and it looks just fine. Anyway the NX, no matter what it turns out to be, will obviously be a big step up.

Okay take out the 'fucking', it's just trash.

I did tons of my Wii U playing with my wife watched TV and thought it was okay. Then every time I actually play SM3DW or DKTF on my TV I'm always surprised at how good the game actually looks. How crisp it is. How vibrant the colours are. The gamepad screen, with it's lovely thin layer of vaseline blur, hides all of that.

 

[killatopak]

No BC?

Fuck this I'm out.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Interesting, let's see how it turns out.

The best part is that this forces those bastards at Pokemon to finally make a console Pokemon game. Ha, we win!

 

[Rncewind]

I whipped this up pretty quick. My best guess atm. I'm thinking Wii Remote-style rotation.

One analog stick? Its already dead

 

[_Clash_]

The snap on controllers are going to make or break this for me.

Usable as 1P and 2P controller for rudimentary games in base station mode would make it cool.

But I'm concerned about ergonomics, losing them, the size of this thing etc.

 

[maxcriden]

If attached, maybe. But eurogamer mentioned them used for 2 player. That's so confusing. Why not just throw in a normal controller that stays with the dock?

Yeah, that was confusing to me to, but--

I think the main reason they detach is for home play. The 2-player thing doesn't make sense to me either, since most games need more buttons.

Oh... Hmm.. Wait now that might make sense. So there must be a normal controller with the dock for home use, and the detachable ones from the screen can be combined and used as a 2nd controller. Interesting indeed...

I hope games played on tv don't take a graphical hit because they're made for tablet size screens.

as you said, the detachable ones can be combined to make a controller. But I don't know if that will be the Player 2 controller or the primary one (i.e. it's unclear whether there's also a main NX console controller or if those combined detachable sides form the main NX controller), because--

I re-read the EG article and I don't see where it says the bit about 2 players or the detachable controller being for the second player. Where did it say that? All I see is:

we've heard the screen is bookended by two controller sections on either side, which can be attached or detached as required.

And in the DF article:

However, the handheld's side-mounted control areas are apparently detachable, becoming individual pads for two-player gameplay - as revealed in today's big Nintendo NX news story on this site.

I don't know about the "individual pads." That part is very confusing. Like you said, that particular quote does make it sound like each side of the NX portable would be its own controller. But unless the HH is huge those would each be tiny. So it seems like there's maybe a contradiction here or something confusing.

Can anyone clear this up for us?

The DF quote above seems to indicate each side of the detachable controller is its own controller? If true, that seems contradictory to many of our conclusions from the article(s) otherwise.

 

[casey_contra]

I whipped this up pretty quick. My best guess atm. I'm thinking Wii Remote-style rotation.

I do like how this looks, but I'd be a little worried about the lack of buttons. Personally, I think the detachable "controllers" is just one, but of course I may be wrong.

 

[Flare]

Tom Phillips @tomphillipsEG
Here's the Nintendo NX design (NB: not Nintendo's illustration, but useful pic of concept)

That looks painful to hold. No thank you.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I whipped this up pretty quick. My best guess atm. I'm thinking Wii Remote-style rotation.

Yup

It it has 2 clickable sticks and shoulder/triggers in a compact and nice form factor it could be amazing

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I don't know it doesn't have something to fall back on like the motion controls. It's just a powerful handheld with an ability to play on TV. Simillar devices didn't work in the past like Vita or PSTV. I think Nintendo is banking on their IPs and games. That's really a gamble.

Aren't the Vita and PSTV the exact opposite of what this supposedly is