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[BocoDragon]

I doubt this will make Nintendo be a success again.

Will see if it's profitable for them cause I doubt they can pull out again the Wii/Wii U "cheap tech" formula again...

I had assumed this would be even more "cheap tech" than the Wii U was at its point in time.

With a level of power like this... Could it be sold at a profit and at a cheap market penetration price?

 

[Zenaku]

The dock almost certainly won't have any substantial extra processing power in it. It just doesn't make sense to have a second set of chips in there (other than utility chips for things like a controller bus or video out, obviously)

However, this doesn't preclude the system from being more powerful when docked.

You could run the system at a very low (less than 10W, realistically closer to 5) wattage in handheld mode with passive cooling. When docked, you get access to an active cooling system and A/C adapter that allows the system to run much faster and hotter with a greater power draw.

Nintendo are on the verge of getting their patent for "supplementary computing devices". Having a dock that has extra processing power makes perfect sense, actually.

 

[oti]

I do wonder what Nintendo will do if this fails?

Write off their losses and try again. They have a big war chest for a reason. And the risk of failing again and again is exactly why they push diversification so hard. Theme park, mobile, movie, mini NES; fresh money to finance risks and new products.

 

[Haunted]

I'm sure third parties are delighted that Nintendo is going with cartridges.

 

[Aters]

The whole "Nintendo makes portable games, not watered down version so console experiences" argument falls apart when you look at the number of console games and console styled games on the 3DS.

The only real "bite sized " gaming experiences are on mobile these days.

They make games that are more suitable for handhelds: RPGs, Platformers, whatever Animal Crossing is. They don't make shooters and action games that go for photorealism on handhelds.

 

[Fess]

Being able to play multiplayer games with separate controllers anywhere without having to buy two portable consoles? That's kind of big imo.

How big is that market though? The portable market must be pretty much dead after Pokémon GO launched, I doubt that Pokémon GO gamers will start carrying another device in their pockets except the power bank.
But this could work if Nintendo could do something with Pokémon GO, like a premium version just for NX with exclusive Pokémon.

 

[maxcriden]

The thing is, in order to think of it that way you have to accept that Nintendo has left the console market. That's the hard part.

Then again, people here can't wrap their heads around a handheld using cartridges...

Well, define "leave the console market."

For all intensive porpoises, Nintendo will still be releasing console-esque games at least at the level of Wii U, that you can play on your TV.

 

[LordOcidax]

Here's some video:

Intro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlQnF0D8Zg

PS4 vs Tegra X1 Unreal Engine 4 demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XzIZWO1qdg

Breath of the Wild + 1080p + Nvidia PhysX... Yes please.

 

[outunderthestars]

Ok so following you the NX is an underpowerd smartphone with following included:

Bill of goods estimates don't really matter. Do you see Nintendo suddenly trying to compete with Samsung and Apple in terms of specs? Portable VR requires more horsepower than I think Nintendo will put into the NX.

 

[blu]

The thing is, in order to think of it that way you have to accept that Nintendo has left the console market. That's the hard part.

Is that why they launch the thing with a console Zelda?

 

[zoukka]

In some ways I can see the appeal. Wii U promised us remote play inside the house but failed to deliver, while NX would truly work anywhere. Dunno how important that is in times where everyone carries a smartphone and a tablet.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Super quick n dirty possible ergo version.

I thought I would hate it but...there's something to it.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I didn't read the last 30 pages or so, but are people still complaining that a 2016 handheld doesn't use optical discs instead of memory cards?

 

[Hydrus]

Anyone else think this sounds like another hoax? I suppose in a post-Iwata Nintendo anything is possible. But this "leak" smells more like fanwankery than an actual Nintendo product to me.

I'm prepared to eat a plate full of Krispy Fried Crow (KFC) if I'm wrong.

Idk. I mean we're like 7 months away from this thing being in stores and by now most dev's should have this. So I'm guessing these leaks are going to start being legit from now on.

 

[TheMagician]

A big shame we won't see a Zelda or Metroid on at least PS4 level hardware for another 5+ years. Can't imagine there will be much room for Zelda to grow again after Breath of the Wild without another hardware jump. The series has been held back enough by hardware over the last decade. After all, BotW is the first Zelda to debut on and benefit from more powerful hardware since The Wind Waker in 2003.

Wouldn't imagine Nintendo's games will look much better than they do on Wii U. Maybe just run a bit better, so Mario Kart 8 would say run at 1080p/60fps instead.

Regarding Smash NX, Smash Bros Wii U is already 1080p/60fps so they're going to have to add a bunch of new content to sell that one to people. Maybe a merger of the 3DS and Wii U versions to go with the hybrid console.

 

[maxcriden]

If this all does end up being false, the FUD is going to be off the wall with this system pre-reveal. Nintendo is going to have to be all the clearer if this and the other (some debunked, some not) leaks end up all being false. I realize the mass consumer has no idea what NX even is, though. So I'm just saying this selfishly, haha.

 

[VanWinkle]

Storage is a concern that I've had myself. SD cards tend to be pretty cheap nowadays though, no? I'm thinking this thing should have decent storage, but we'll see.

For ergonomics it depends. The original 3DS is too small, but I find that the XL models are suuuuper comfortable. I'm not sure which is the one you had trouble with, but I guess it's true that experiences vary.

For UI, I'm thinking that the dock will have some type of toggle that'll allow the games to switch between "handheld mode" and "Console mode", and thus necessary changes would be made depending on whether the device is docked or not.

I dunno. I'm just trying to be optimistic. Anyway, the main point is, it's not like it'll literally be a 3DS. I'm assuming on good faith that changes can be made to make it more user-friendly, and optimize the controller as something that will be comfortable for both handheld and home play.

The 3DS XL is perfectly comfortable for portable use. I can't expect much better. But I would hate to use it as a primary console controller. It would be insanely compromised. I'm just wondering what they could do to make it much better for console gaming without sacrificing portability. It's going to be a real issue.

If they go the SD card route, we could be seeing 128GB cards being pretty common, since they're in the ~$50 range. One thing, though, is that they would have to INCLUDE that (or an equivalent amount of build-in storage) with the system. And the other thing is that it would still be a pretty anemic about of storage. You'd be looking at four ~30GB console-quality games before you're out of space. Storage is not my biggest concern, but it is something that I'm very curious about.

I don't know. I just think about how the Vita was a great "console-quality" (not quite matching the quality of the consoles of that time period) with a lot of console features, but you get the Vita TV and you realize that it's a very compromised experience. I don't know if a console can make a good handheld and I don't know if a handheld can make a good console.

 

[orioto]

Super quick n dirty possible ergo version.

I really don't like the idea of that detachable controller... It's more easy to have a separate controller you can buy, and this thing will have a weird ergonomic, i can feel it.. That's making things less good for the sake of having a "concept". I do not like that.

That's simple Nintendo.

Portable >> 199$
TV kit (Classic pad + Hard Drive + ram + tv out) >> 99$

 

[maxcriden]

A big shame we won't see a Zelda or Metroid on at least PS4 level hardware for another 5+ years. Can't imagine there will be much room for Zelda to grow again after Breath of the Wild without another hardware jump. The series has been held back enough by hardware over the last decade. After all, BotW is the first Zelda to debut on and benefit from more powerful hardware since The Wind Waker in 2003.

Wouldn't imagine Nintendo's games will look much better than they do on Wii U. Maybe just run a bit better, so Mario Kart 8 would say run at 1080p/60fps instead.

Regarding Smash NX, Smash Bros Wii U is already 1080p/60fps so they're going to have to add a bunch of new content to sell that one to people. Maybe a merger of the 3DS and Wii U versions to go with the hybrid console.

Isn't 1080/60 already what PS4 and XB1 shoot for and the latter often doesn't achieve?

Genuinely asking, I'm not very tech-savvy. My guess is the answer is yes and no, that the actual graphical effects happening are much more complex on those systems.

BTW, Nintendo did merge their divisions. A couple years ago, I think.

 

[Aters]

Ok so following you the NX is an underpowerd smartphone with following included:

Yes, and it has Zelda, Mario and Pokemon.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Hopefully not. It is time for Nintendo to break away from the past.

but sun and moon ):

 

[Fantastical]

I don't know how to feel about this... I really want 1080p titles from Nintendo.

 

[Peterc]

Bill of goods estimates don't really matter. Do you see Nintendo suddenly trying to compete with Samsung and Apple in terms of specs? Portable VR requires more horsepower than I think Nintendo will put into the NX.

We have to see, but i can't see any reason why Nintendo can pull a stunt with this.

People just by nintendo handheld systems. Just by showing them on tv, would be nothing new or make more sales.

I also think a rather have the controllers not detached from the handheld, but just holding the handheld like wiiu to play on TV.

Yes, and it has Zelda, Mario and Pokemon.

Yes, but it doesn't change anything about the sales compared with 3ds

 

[Anth0ny]

The thing is, in order to think of it that way you have to accept that Nintendo has left the console market. That's the hard part.

Then again, people here can't wrap their heads around a handheld using cartridges...

i think that's why this news is so painful

cause they kinda are, for all intents and purposes. this thing is a 3ds successor that you can plug into your tv. it might as well be. it's so radically different from what the other "traditional" consoles are offering.

western third party support is going to be non-existent, I think.

 

[maxcriden]

I really don't like the idea of that detachable controller... It's more easy to have a separate controller you can buy, and this thing will have a weird ergonomic, i can feel it.. That's making things less good for the sake of having a "concept". I do not like that.

That's simple Nintendo.

Portable >> 199$
TV kit (Classic pad + Hard Drive + ram + tv out) >> 99$

This is what I expect to see once we get separate SKUs, maybe around or after the first holiday.

$250 bundle at launch, I hope.

 

[flkraven]

If this all does end up being false, the FUD is going to be off the wall with this system pre-reveal. Nintendo is going to have to be all the clearer if this and the other (some debunked, some not) leaks end up all being false. I realize the mass consumer has no idea what NX even is, though. So I'm just saying this selfishly, haha.

Likewise, if this is exactly what this is Nintendo is still going to have to be super clear about what they are selling. Many mass consumers STILL think the Wii U is a tablet attachment for their Wii.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Somethi.... nvm... I still cannot bring myself to even imagine how this would be potable without
a. The device being tablet sized
b. two controllers on the side but somehow suspending the screen = WHOOPS->Broken
c. Suuuuper tiny buttons

honestly this sounds bogus AF

 

[joecanada]

Make a toilet that plays games while you are in the shower.

with or without touch and motion control

 

[anothertech]

I thought I would hate it but...there's something to it.

right? I had to make it so see what it would feel like. Not bad if designed right imo.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

https://twitter.com/tomphillipsEG/status/757966907542761472

 

[Always-honest]

I don't know how to feel about this... I really want 1080p titles from Nintendo.

And you'll probably get them

 

[Fletcher]

Lame. Should have just been a powerful new console and a brand new handheld too. The console ships with a reg. pro type controller and can connect the handheld to your system to use as a controller.

 

[TheCongressman1]

I really don't like the idea of that detachable controller... It's more easy to have a separate controller you can buy, and this thing will have a weird ergonomic, i can feel it.. That's making things less good for the sake of having a "concept". I do not like that.

That's simple Nintendo.

Portable >> 199$
TV kit (Classic pad + Hard Drive + ram + tv out) >> 99$

I agree with that. It sounds like at the moment it's a console that can become a handheld, when it really makes much more sense to do it the other way around.

 

[oti]

wat

 

[Metalmarc]

reposting this without the quote so it shows up in quotes, sorry for repost / continued dumbness.

thing i didn't think about while mocking this up was where the cartridge goes -- whether it's in the back of the mobile device like the DS or on the bottom edge that would be facing the user while docked.

If the unit needs to be plugged into a base station, how will the controller look like? Perhaps the left and right controller can be plugged together, like so:

I like the hybrid idea, but I don't like the idea of holding the entire unit (including screen) into my hands while playing on my tv.

thoughts?

I think like the wikipad

 

[outunderthestars]

They make games that are more suitable for handhelds: RPGs, Platformers, whatever Animal Crossing is. They don't make shooters and action games that go for photorealism on handhelds.

Aren't they releasing a metroid shooter this fall? And art style has nothing to do with kind if game, as the monster hunter games go for more realistic graphics yet are on portables. Art style has nothing to do with the duration of gaming, but I areas on the horsepower of the platform. The 3DS just doesn't have a decent enough resolution to make realistic art styles easy to play.

There really isn't any difference between Smash Bros on console and handheld. Same with Hyrule warriors, Mario kart, animal crossing, Zelda ports, etc.

How does OoT suddenly become "more suitable" when it gets ported over?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Even if the NX were a Neo-competitor, western third party support would only come in the first wave and then drop off when it's clear no one is buying the games.

 

[Speely]

Nintendo are on the verge of getting their patent for "supplementary computing devices". Having a dock that has extra processing power makes perfect sense, actually.

This is my feeling as well. When the patent is considered, the dock being "just a dock" seems less likely than it having some SCD functionality imo.

In fact, waiting on this patent could be exactly why they have been holding out on releasing real info. If so, that means it could not only be more than a simple dock, but that it could be more than even a plug and play booster dock. The talk of advanced streaming in particular gives me SCD streaming network vibes.

 

[Peterc]

I really don't like the idea of that detachable controller... It's more easy to have a separate controller you can buy, and this thing will have a weird ergonomic, i can feel it.. That's making things less good for the sake of having a "concept". I do not like that.

That's simple Nintendo.

Portable >> 199$
TV kit (Classic pad + Hard Drive + ram + tv out) >> 99$

Yes, this is more likely

 

[LizardKing]

I fail to seek how an optional dock accessory is confusing. As long as the dock isn't marketed as being included it shouldn't be confusing. And honestly not everyone will even want to plug it into a tv so why needlessly drive up the cost of the system.

In the west I just don't see something selling very well that is marketed as a handheld with a video out, even with an optional dock that might add more power if you want to hook it up to your tv. It will sell less than the 3ds. There's nothing unique there. It's just Nintendo's next handheld. It needs to be sold as a console with a detachable handheld, not handheld that hooks up to tv.

 

[Juice]

Heh, I got (justifiably) juniored when I started a thread to speculate the NX may be a weaker GPU than the Wii U.

Welp!

Edit: link, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087023&highlight=

 

[Metalmarc]

Ok so following you the NX is an underpowerd smartphone with following included:

The following has a tablet removeable controllers connects to the t.v, and has a tegra chip

 

[Cirerus]

So it will be a machine only for games from nintendo themselves and indies that appeal for nostalgia.

 

[TheCongressman1]

This is my feeling as well. When the patent is considered, the dock being "just a dock" seems less likely than it having some SCD functionality imo.

In fact, waiting on this patent could be exactly why they have been holding out on releasing real info. If so, that means it could not only be more than a simple dock, but that it could be more than even a plug and play booster dock. The talk of advanced streaming in particular gives me SCD streaming network vibes.

Don't want to get my hopes up for this, but it makes perfect sense.

 

[pixelation]

i thougth there werent decently powered hardware this gen, thats why scorpio and neo exists.

also, and here you are begging for their franchises

Begging for their franchises?, hardly... i'll just do what i've been doing for all their shitty specced HW that they've been releasing ever since the Wii came out... get it dirt cheap, used at GameStop. I'm in no hurry to play their games, my PS4 will keep me plenty occupied, now had they concocted a neatly powered box?. I would've nabbed one on day one, but it the rumors are true then i'll just wait until they hit the cheap and used section at GameStop. In no hurry to play their games, was just making my frustration with them known.

 

[Durante]

How does samsung VR works? Or even cardboards?

Badly.

And the devices used for Samsung VR are far higher resolution than I expect the NX to be.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

I think like the wikipad

That looks ugly as sin lol. Highly doubt they'd go for a similar design.

 

[outunderthestars]

Even if the NX were a Neo-competitor, western third party support would only come in the first wave and then drop off when it's clear no one is buying the games.

Totally agreed. Nintendo has always has the problem that their systems are too underpowered to really run current AAA game engines, and that the potential sales for the games aren't worth a publisher spending the extra money to port it to the platform.

 

[quest]

I really don't like the idea of that detachable controller... It's more easy to have a separate controller you can buy, and this thing will have a weird ergonomic, i can feel it.. That's making things less good for the sake of having a "concept". I do not like that.

That's simple Nintendo.

Portable >> 199$
TV kit (Classic pad + Hard Drive + ram + tv out) >> 99$

I like that much better than the hybrid thing. I don't want a hand held device and won't pay for one. A cheap TV kit without the hand held I could of gotten behind. It would not of been my dream of a PS4 level NX but much better than forcing a hand held on people.

 

[gafneo]

I make that draw months ago:

If these rumors are true, it can be something close to it but wireless.

Great art work. Can you redesign my 3DS, Wii mote hybrid idea? It's on here floating around this post. It's on PG 62