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[Brinbe]

cross-posting from poligaf, but on Bill's speech tonight.

I thought it was perfect. He humanized her and personalized her life/their lives together and her life-long devotion to others in a way no one else could. It was touching, down-to-earth and exactly what he should have done as her spouse. There's no reason to compare or contrast, just take it for what it was, a look into the lives of two private people. This was Hillary as wife, mother, friend, change-agent, and not the caricature portrayed through the media.

And I think it's important that we get this testimony from so many that paints a different picture of HRC behind the scenes than what is portrayed through the mass media.

 

[Future]

By and large, these are better reasons to vote for certain Democratic legislative candidates than anything. There is a legislative branch, after all.

Too bad nobody votes for those

And for those justices you need the president.

 

[element]

I find it really disappointing of a fair amount of Republicans talking about how uncomfortable Bill Clinton's speech was tonight. How they didn't find it appropriate for him to talk about him courting her. How they didn't find it tasteful. But would they say the same thing of a loving wife married for 40 years? Someone who has gone through ups and downs? But even after all that is proud and willing to gloat about their partner?

If Melania went up there and was able to talk about her partner in the same fashion, they would have all fainted over how amazing it was.

What I saw was a man who heart still skips a beat for a women he wanted to tap on the shoulder over 40 years ago.

 

[Future]

I find it really disappointing of a fair amount of Republicans talking about how uncomfortable Bill Clinton's speech was tonight. How they didn't find it appropriate for him to talk about him courting her. How they didn't find it tasteful. But would they say the same thing of a loving wife married for 40 years? Someone who has gone through ups and downs? But even after all that is proud and willing to gloat about their partner?

If Melania went up there and was able to talk about her partner in the same fashion, they would have all fainted over how amazing it was.

What I saw was a man who heart still skips a beat for a women he wanted to tap on the shoulder over 40 years ago.

That's just he negative spin that pretty much writes itself. Bill cheated on Hillary as prime time television. Any mention of their loving relationship will get a negative reaction from anyone trying to find a reason to have a negative reaction. They'd have this reaction just at the idea of bill speaking and hey wouldn't even need to hear the speech

 

[jerd]

I'm reading through some comments on Facebook with Hillary voters trying to sway BoBs. I hate to see people refer to Hillary as "the lesser of two evils". Its definitely not going to help win over supporters. Hillary is honestly a pretty amazing candidate. After spending months learning about her, and listening to the amazing speeches throughout the DNC, and Bills great anecdotes tonight has me incredibly excited to vote for her.

It's not about voting for the lesser of two evils. It's about voting good over evil.

I honestly think "lesser of the two evils" comments "man both sides suck this year", etc are just a result of politics being so polarizing. If you take a non position like "she sucks ever so slightly less", then it's harder for people to really grill you over it.

Also if I hear one more person's explanation for hating Hillary be "she's just so crooked" and nothing else I'm gonna scream

 

[Kin5290]

By and large, these are better reasons to vote for certain Democratic legislative candidates than anything. There is a legislative branch, after all.

Yeah, no. Presidents can direct legislative policy, and they can also serve as a bulwark against bad policy. Plus, Presidents select SCOTUS justices, and filling SCOTUS will be vitally important to preserve the progressive agenda.

That's not to say that you shouldn't vote for both Hillary and your democratic Congressional candidate. But a President has a much greater voice than random Representative John Doe (D).

Also, I'm still waiting for Diffense to prove that he/she wasn't posting in bad faith and respond to that list of reasons to vote for HRC over Generic Republican.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Also, I'm still waiting for Diffense to prove that he/she wasn't posting in bad faith and respond to that list of reasons to vote for HRC over Generic Republican.

Remember way back in the day when I posted this?

Two, that argument has been made over and over and over on this very message board, never mind across the internet when it's only a simple Google search away. This comes up every time people get into arguments with Busters - "Maybe you should list the reasons to vote for her instead of trying to guilt/fear-monger me into it!". So someone posts the arguments. For the thousandth time. And then it's immediately ignored and we go back to the start in another thread.

Good times.

 

[element]

That's just he negative spin that pretty much writes itself. Bill cheated on Hillary as prime time television. Any mention of their loving relationship will get a negative reaction from anyone trying to find a reason to have a negative reaction. They'd have this reaction just at the idea of bill speaking and hey wouldn't even need to hear the speech

Then talk about how great the other guy who cheated on his first wife with his second wife and then cheated on his second with with his third wife. Fathered five children with three different women and one of those kids out of wedlock.

Imagine if that was any women with the same history. It would be blood in the water.

 

[Macam]

Yeah, no. Presidents can direct legislative policy, and they can also serve as a bulwark against bad policy. Plus, Presidents select SCOTUS justices, and filling SCOTUS will be vitally important to preserve the progressive agenda.

That's not to say that you shouldn't vote for both Hillary and your democratic Congressional candidate. But a President has a much greater voice than random Representative John Doe (D).

Also, I'm still waiting for Diffense to prove that he/she wasn't posting in bad faith and respond to that list of reasons to vote for HRC over Generic Republican.

And the Senate confirms justices, and both houses are needed to "get shit done" (and can serve as a bulwark against bad executive policies). Don't whine about Republican obstructionism for six years, and then downplay the legislature. A seat or two in the Senate, especially when you to have get 60 votes just to wipe your nose, can make all the difference. Ditto for committee chairs.

 

[Kin5290]

And the Senate confirms justices, and both houses are needed to "get shit done" (and can serve as a bulwark against bad executive policies). Don't whine about Republican obstructionism for six years, and then downplay the legislature. A seat or two in the Senate, especially when you to have get 60 votes just to wipe your nose, can make all the difference. Ditto for committee chairs.

So what's your point, that you shouldn't vote for Hillary because you don't need control of the Executive for whatever reason? You're not making much sense here.

 

[Xe4]

And the Senate confirms justices, and both houses are needed to "get shit done" (and can serve as a bulwark against bad executive policies). Don't whine about Republican obstructionism for six years, and then downplay the legislature. A seat or two in the Senate, especially when you to have get 60 votes just to wipe your nose, can make all the difference. Ditto for committee chairs.

Nobody is downplaying legislature. You're arguing to downplay the president. It's a fact the president has more power than an individual congressman/senator. That's undiniable. What people fail to do is recognized that these are incredibly important positions as well, and do not vote for them.

The reasons listed for Hillary are valid, shifting away from them by arguing "what about the legislative branch?", doesn't do anyone any good.

 

[pigeon]

I know.
But if it isn't worth doing, isn't the situation a bit like being forced to drink poison because you don't want to get shot.
Probably it's not quite that bad but you get the picture.

You have misunderstood my post.

There are lots of reasons why Hillary will be a great president and deserves everybody's vote.

There seems to be very little reason to try to explain it to you or people like you.

 

[Ozigizo]

Umm no. You'd have to be blind to fail to notice that I don't have the highest opinion of HRC. I don't think finally stating the obvious means "I'm acting ridiculous".

You pretty much admitted to concern trolling. Yes, that's "acting ridiculous."

 

[Piggus]

Watching the DNC these last couple nights has given me hope for this election but the minute I load up Facebook and see the top rated comments on some of these articles...its a shitshow. Especially on CNNs stuff. Ugh. The worst part is half of them are just copy paste jobs and full of the usual buzzwords.

A former Hillary delegate that was on CNN said it took her a month to get over the loss of the nomination to Obama back in 2008. I wonder if that is even a possibility for some of the Bernie supporters I see on FB with this election.

Of course it's a shitshow. These brainwashed shitdicks have to show someone how salty they are about not getting their way, and social media is the easiest way for them to do that. Let the polls speak for themselves. Let the outcome in November speak for itself. A loud, sodium-packed minority of dumbasses posting comments online does not represent the nation as a whole.

 

[hawk2025]

I think people underestimate the understated beauty of the -- and I paraphrase -- "I wasn't speaking in colors" post a few pages back.

That was amazing.

 

[Diffense]

If you say so. Excuse me while I try to get my eyes unglued from the ceiling.

I do say so.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable but my input is definitely unwelcome here!

It appears that HRC has played games with the truth and that affects my opinion of her.
For example she said that the use of a private email server extensively as SoS was "allowed":
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-hillary-clintons-claim-her-email-pra/

It was not allowed. Perhaps she was not explicitly prohibited but she also did not disclose the extent of her private email server use so the opportunity did not present itself.

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf

Employees Generally Must Use Department Information Systems To Conduct Official Business

The Department’s current policy, implemented in 2005, is that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System (AIS), which “has the proper level of security control to ... ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information.”

Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the FAM stated that normal day -to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized AIS, yet OIG found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server. According to the current CIO and Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, DS and IRM did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the FAM and the security risks in doing so.

Also, it's not always clear what she truly stands for. I think it was Jon Stewart who said "She's a very bright woman, without the courage of her convictions".

I understand people supporting HRC because they don't want Trump to be president. I get that. However, she is problematic in her own ways.
I think the system has failed at least some of the people when they might end up making a decision because of fear instead of confidence.

 

[Ozigizo]

And we're back to the emails again.

 

[hawk2025]

Rinse, repeat, concern troll all over again.

 

[Diffense]

You pretty much admitted to concern trolling. Yes, that's "acting ridiculous."

Nope. I said it was a "good idea" to leave Trump out of the picture and make a case for Clinton agreeing with a poster who disliked the "lesser evil" approach for his/her own reasons. I never even suggested I could be swayed and even straight-up said afterwards that I already have an opinion.

Rinse, repeat, concern troll all over again.

Again, it's not "concern trolling" to post about a presidential candidate as I'm allowed to.
I said from the beginning that HRC is problematic. I didn't ask anyone to correct that impression.

 

[hawk2025]

Nope. I said it was a "good idea" to leave Trump out of the picture and make a case for Clinton agreeing with a poster who disliked the "lesser evil" approach for his/her own reasons. I never even suggested I could be swayed and even straight-up said afterwards that I already have an opinion.



Again, it's not "concern trolling" to post about a presidential candidate as I'm allowed to.
I said from the beginning that HRC is problematic. I didn't ask anyone to correct that impression.

I'll tell you this; your approach to the immutability of your opinions to debate and evidence is intrinsically connected to your complete failure of understanding what multiple people have been saying for multiple pages now.

Perhaps it's time for some introspection. Not on Hillary Clinton, but on how productive refusing to update your priors is in the first place.

My mistake for confusing concern trolling with a concerted effort to not listen. You are not here to debate; You are here to preach.

 

[watershed]

Day 3 is gonna be the best yet. Kaine, Biden, and Obama. They're gonna kill it. At least Biden and Obama will. Kaine will do alright but I find his speeches rarely soar.

 

[RedAssedApe]

I honestly think "lesser of the two evils" comments "man both sides suck this year", etc are just a result of politics being so polarizing. If you take a non position like "she sucks ever so slightly less", then it's harder for people to really grill you over it.

Also if I hear one more person's explanation for hating Hillary be "she's just so crooked" and nothing else I'm gonna scream

Hillary rotten Clinton
Crooked Hillary

Make a drinking game out of it.

 

[Diffense]

I'll tell you this; your approach to the immutability of your opinions to debate and evidence is intrinsically connected to your complete failure of understanding what multiple people have been saying for multiple pages now.

Perhaps it's time for some introspection. Not on Hillary Clinton, but on how productive refusing to update your priors is in the first place.

My mistake for confusing concern trolling with a concerted effort to not listen. You are not here to debate; You are here to preach.

I don't think a difference of opinion has to be understood as "refusal to listen". Sometimes it's just, "I've heard but no".

 

[Spiritreaver]

Holy moly. Michelle Obama's speech is at 2.5m views on Youtube at the moment. By comparison, Trump's acceptance speech is at 1m.

 

[watershed]

Holy moly. Michelle Obama's speech is at 2.5m views on Youtube at the moment. By comparison, Trump's acceptance speech is at 1m.

Makes sense. Her's was the better speech. I couldn't even bear to hear Trump speak for that long. It does damage to my heart and brain.

 

[jiggle]

That speech deserves more than 2.5m views


Edit: forgot about the 20m+ that saw it live

Hillary rotten Clinton

That's a cute name actually

 

[Aaronology]

Neither Trump nor HRC.

That isn't an option. So I ask again, what do you want to happen this November? That's a deeply personal question for some and it's a question every voter should ask themselves at every election. I want to see the success of a party that will seat progressives on the Supreme Court, that embraces and not demonizes BLM, and that is not dead set on denying climate change when so little time is left to address it. Those are my personal priorities and on the 8th of the 11th I will vote in the manner that will best see them realized.

So.

What do you want? If the only answer you have to that question is something that is impossible, Diffense, you aren't taking this seriously and you're not really engaged in this discussion beyond being noise.

 

[Veelk]

Okay, so I just caught up on the speeches. Howard Dean, Mothers of the Movement, Ryan Mooore, Bernie at the Roll Call, Joseph Crowley, and, of course, Bill Clinton.

First off, about Bernie's call for acclimation. I was going through some of the responses and I noticed a link that said that it didn't go through and the decision for Hillary is not unanimous. Is that true? And if it is, what does that mean exactly for the party/Hillary? Is the Party unified or divisive?

Second, I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the speakers here. The difference between the DNC and RNC is like night and day. There's so much more positivity, so much hope, where as I often just felt sick watching the RNC. I try, I really really try, to not just write off conservatives as....well, evil, but that's how I see many of their policies and actions. But policies aside, the way people acted in the RNC was just disturbing. Chris Cristie stirring up the mob like someone from the 17th century about to go on a literal witch hunt was nothing short of a really gross revenge fantasy that was neither rational nor just. So, seeing mothers who lost their sons talk about how the world is still great is just something I needed to see.

And lastly, I prefer actually just coming home at the end of the day to watch the highlights of the DNC because watching the whole thing is pretty boring. But I really wish I had seen Bill's speech live. It was really human. And educational. I made a thread a while ago asking why people hated Hillary so much, lamenting that it's hard to find reliable information on her, because the Republican Smear campaign has muddied the waters so hard. Now, I'd be a fool to not atleast wait to hear if the fact checkers verify everything Bill said about Hillary being true, but if it is, I'm just baffled why people are reluctant on voting for Hillary when she's done so much good for the country. I'm sure she had her genuine fuck ups too, but I was put in special needs when I was a kid because, as an immigrant, I didn't speak english at the time. Was it due to her that I was given a break from normal classroom activities as I learned the language I needed? If she made all the positive changes that Bill cites, then there is no way there should even be a question about whose more qualified to lead the United States into a better tomorrow.

Honestly, I'm trying not to get swept up in the rhetoric here, because it seems that the National Conventions are just one big circle jerk over each party's candidate aside from the business of securing the noms once and for all. But I am getting swept up. The Democratic party isn't perfect, but it's just stupid how large a gap in appeal there is between the Democrats and Republicans and I have trouble seeing how people don't get swept up on the positive vibes being radiated here. Does anyone else feel the same, or am I just going crazy?

 

[watershed]

Okay, so I just caught up on the speeches. Howard Dean, Mothers of the Movement, Ryan Mooore, Bernie at the Roll Call, Joseph Crowley, and, of course, Bill Clinton.

First off, about Bernie's call for acclimation. I was going through some of the responses and I noticed a link that said that it didn't go through and the decision for Hillary is not unanimous. Is that true? And if it is, what does that mean exactly for the party/Hillary? Is the Party unified or divisive?

Second, I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the speakers here. The difference between the DNC and RNC is like night and day. There's so much more positivity, so much hope, where as I often just felt sick watching the RNC. I try, I really really try, to not just write off conservatives as....well, evil, but that's how I see many of their policies and actions. But policies aside, the way people acted in the RNC was just disturbing. Chris Cristie stirring up the mob like someone from the 17th century about to go on a literal witch hunt was nothing short of a really gross revenge fantasy that was neither rational nor just. So, seeing mothers who lost their sons talk about how the world is still great is just something I needed to see.

And lastly, I prefer actually just coming home at the end of the day to watch the highlights of the DNC because watching the whole thing is pretty boring. But I really wish I had seen Bill's speech live. It was really human. And educational. I made a thread a while ago asking why people hated Hillary so much, lamenting that it's hard to find reliable information on her, because the Republican Smear campaign has muddied the waters so hard. Now, I'd be a fool to not atleast wait to hear if the fact checkers verify everything Bill said about Hillary being true, but if it is, I'm just baffled why people are reluctant on voting for Hillary when she's done so much good for the country. I'm sure she had her genuine fuck ups too, but I was put in special needs when I was a kid because, as an immigrant, I didn't speak english at the time. Was it due to her that I was given a break from normal classroom activities as I learned the language I needed? If she made all the positive changes that Bill cites, then there is no way there should even be a question about whose more qualified to lead the United States into a better tomorrow.

Honestly, I'm trying not to get swept up in the rhetoric here, because it seems that the National Conventions are just one big circle jerk over each party's candidate aside from the business of securing the noms once and for all. But I am getting swept up. The Democratic party isn't perfect, but it's just stupid how large a gap in appeal there is between the Democrats and Republicans and I have trouble seeing how people don't get swept up on the positive vibes being radiated here. Does anyone else feel the same, or am I just going crazy?

There's plenty to be critical of, but between the DNC and the RNC there is no comparison. Hopefully people watching both will see that the two parties are NOT the same. That much repeated line of non-existent reasoning needs to go away.

So I'm with you. The democratic party is one I can be mostly proud of while the republican party stopped being a governing party a while ago.

 

[jerd]

There's plenty to be critical of, but between the DNC and the RNC there is no comparison. Hopefully people watching both will see that the two parties are NOT the same. That much repeated line of non-existent reasoning needs to go away.

So I'm with you. The democratic party is one I can be mostly proud of while the republican party stopped being a governing party a while ago.

I wish more people would watch both. I live in a super red area and almost everyone I know refuses to even listen to dem politicians, so all they get is fox news sound bites and headlines

 

[Diffense]

That isn't an option. So I ask again, what do you want to happen this November? That's a deeply personal question for some and it's a question every voter should ask themselves at every election. I want to see the success of a party that will seat progressives on the Supreme Court, that embraces and not demonizes BLM, and that is not dead set on denying climate change when so little time is left to address it. Those are my personal priorities and on the 8th of the 11th I will vote in the manner that will best see them realized.

So.

What do you want? If the only answer you have to that question is something that is impossible, Diffense, you aren't taking this seriously and you're not really engaged in this discussion beyond being noise.

I think you are moving the goalpost a little. You are right that I didn't answer your question at first when I said I was prepared to accept any outcome. But then you asked specifically what I wanted and I answered honestly, neither. So do you really want to know what I want or do you want me to desire something else instead?

If your vote can be taken for granted, it's already wasted.
So I'm honestly concerned with the view that we're presented with such an atrocious alternative that we have "no choice" but to vote the other way.

 

[OriginalThinking]

I think you are moving the goalpost a little. You are right that I didn't answer your question at first when I said I was prepared to accept any outcome. But then you asked specifically what I wanted and I answered honestly, neither. So do you really want to know what I want or do you want me to desire something else instead?

If your vote can be taken for granted, it's already wasted.
So I'm honestly concerned with the view that we're presented with such an atrocious alternative that we have "no choice" but to vote the other way.

The vote isn't taken for granted, the vote is earned through promotion of progressive policy.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Makes sense. Her's was the better speech. I couldn't even bear to hear Trump speak for that long. It does damage to my heart and brain.

Definitely agree. Goes to show what it takes to make an effective speech. Given she had no policy to put out, but Trump really didn't do that anyway.

I think tonight is going to be a night to remember. Kaine is going to be great, Biden is going to be incredible, but I think Obama is going to really drive a home run tonight. I'm trying not to get overexcited, but I can't wait.

 

[Diffense]

The vote isn't taken for granted, the vote is earned through promotion of progressive policy.

I read this and went back and read Clinton's past positions. I don't think she's rooted in progressive values. Yes many of her positions have changed but she seems to be a follower not a leader in this regard. If she's elected, there will be no room for complacency from self-proclaimed progressives, even if she isn't Trump.

 

[OriginalThinking]

I read this and went back and read Clinton's past positions. I don't think she's rooted in progressive values. Yes many of her positions have changed but she seems to be a follower not a leader in this regard. If she's elected, there will be no room for complacency from self-proclaimed progressives, even if she isn't Trump.

She isn't as progressive as Sanders, but is more progressive than Obama. She's certainly more progressive than her rivals in the presidential election. And there's nothing wrong with listening to debate and changing your opinion based on that. I don't see that as a negative, it means your ears are open and you're willing to be open minded. Being a good leader isn't just being autocratic or even being the loudest voice. It's listening to the opinions and facts around you and doing what's feasible and realistic.

 

[Majine]

After watching Bills speech... he's so goddamn cool, lovely and thoughtful.

Does the GOP have anyone like this!?

 

[Clydefrog]

Obama having to speak directly after that Clinton speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPneXZzizqc

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

After watching Bills speech... he's so goddamn cool, lovely and thoughtful.

Does the GOP have anyone like this!?

If they did I would imagine they would have wheeled him/her out last week already.

 

[jerd]

After watching Bills speech... he's so goddamn cool, lovely and thoughtful.

Does the GOP have anyone like this!?

I'd have a beer with W

I think he's secretly awful too though

 

[teruterubozu]

Rachel Maddow was absolutely seething at Bill's speech.

 

[soundahfekz]

Reasons to vote for HRC:

1) She's to the left of Obama on pretty much every domestic policy area.

2) She's highly competent and good at forging relationships and getting shit done.

3) She will not repeal Obamacare or allow restrictions to LGBT rights or the rights of women to reproductive healthcare, all of which are generic Republican policy positions.

3) During her first term she will likely fill the Supreme Court with two, possibly three, justices, cementing a progressive liberal majority on SCOTUS for at least twenty years, contributing to decades worth of judicial precedent towards the continual expansion of rights and freedoms towards currently oppressed minorities.

Are those enough reasons for you?

Honestly at this point if people need hand holding as to what's at stake, fuck em.

The majority of this in "unlikeability" is the fact that she's a woman operating "out of her place". Not even surprised with some of the sexually frustrated fedora brehs you have around here. Shits so thinly veiled

 

[Diffense]

She isn't as progressive as Sanders, but is more progressive than Obama. She's certainly more progressive than her rivals in the presidential election. And there's nothing wrong with listening to debate and changing your opinion based on that. I don't see that as a negative, it means your ears are open and you're willing to be open minded. Being a good leader isn't just being autocratic or even being the loudest voice. It's listening to the opinions and facts around you and doing what's feasible and realistic.

I wasn't depicting her changing opinions as a negative in my previous response, but it is disappointing that she couldn't get some things right from the outset especially when others, faced with the same information, immediately took the position she had to adopt later after a reversal.

A $15 minimum wage is infeasible at first then she's on stage with Cuomo supporting it in New York. She supported the Iraq War but now it was a mistake. African Americans are "super predators" when she wants to promote a "tough on crime" bill but now she regrets saying that. I don't think it's bad that she changed from untenable or unpopular positions but it has an air of political opportunism.

What does she really stand for on principle? Why does hindsight force her to resile from her positions so often? Does that speak to poor judgement?

 

[Cyrano]

Also worth noting, I see a lot of people saying that, "Trump is likely every other Republican." He is not. The #1 reason I am voting for HRC is because I don't want that monster anywhere near the White House. Or as Colbert might characterize him, "An orange monkey with a toupee."

The #2 reason is because I know she'll fight for the rights of people like me. And I deeply appreciate that.

 

[Diablos]

Rachel Maddow was absolutely seething at Bill's speech.

But why? What's with this network lately?

 

[Cyrano]

I wasn't depicting her changing opinions as a negative in my previous response, but it is disappointing that she couldn't get some things right from the outset especially when others, faced with the same information, immediately took the position she had to adopt later after a reversal.

If you can give some examples, people might be more willing to address you.

About the only way I can address the comment you've posted is, "politics, much like life, is complicated."

 

[teruterubozu]

But why? What's with this network lately?

She liked the end but was pissed about the beginning where Bill talked about "the girl" and how they got married. She said it wasn't very feminist and made it too much about their marriage, the very thing conservatives believe gave Hillary her opportunities.

 

[Binabik15]

Hillary rotten Clinton
Crooked Hillary

Make a drinking game out of it.

One thing I've been asking myself lately.


Is that (listing names in full) a Republican thing or an American thing? Anglosphere thing?

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

Hillary Rodham Clinton

I mean it's clear to me that the Hussein was emphasisd to highlight his "secret muslin" nature by politicians, voters and Fox News, but now it seems to happen with Clinton as well. The George Bushs had to be differentiated so I get why they had the W. and H.W. thing going on, but Donald Trump isn't always called "Donald JAY Trump" let alone Donald JOHN Trump when mentioned by Democrats and regular journalists.

That's my GAF-filtered impression at least and it made me curious.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Fuck.

Given the context of this scene, this is spectacular.

 

[watershed]

She liked the end but was pissed about the beginning where Bill talked about "the girl" and how they got married. She said it wasn't very feminist and made it too much about their marriage, the very thing conservatives believe gave Hillary her opportunities.

Maddow is an idiot. The whole point was to humanize Hillary. He didn't focus on their marriage, he talked about all the stuff Hillary has done since college.

 

[metalslimer]

She liked the end but was pissed about the beginning where Bill talked about "the girl" and how they got married. She said it wasn't very feminist and made it too much about their marriage, the very thing conservatives believe gave Hillary her opportunities.

Even though the whole point of the story was to show how independent she was even as the wife of a governor and First Lady. Hell Bill downplayed himself to speak on her.