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[brainchild]

Anything above the Vita would be "the most powerful handheld ever created".
It's definitely nice, and Nintendo knows how to make handhelds, but if it's supposed to be a console at the same time, it needs to be more than just an handheld with tv out...

I don't mean just a dedicated handheld. I included smartphones in that statement, and the Tegra X1 stands tall above them all.

Also, Nintendo has repeatedly stated that the NX is not a direct successor to Wii U. If it's not their next generation console, no, it does not need to be any more powerful than it already is.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Ign has said the dock is nothing but a tv out.

Guys, I honestly don't mean to sound harsh, but the amount of horrible ideas in this thread is astounding. When you think of ideas, think Nintendo, think innovation, think security risks, think unprecedented.

Buying a portable to be used as a home console only means the tablet will be docked forever and never to be used. What a waste of screen.

I disagree, as sometimes other people want to use the living room television, and it is nice to be able to quickly change to a handheld screen and let someone else watch TV for a bit.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

You cannot be serious, the X1 AFAIK doesn't even approach 40% of the XB1's power envelope. I tolerate the Wii U's power.

Rumors point to the NX using the Tegra X2 or some variation of the X1 developed for them with more power.

And if not, of if that's still not enough for you, Nintendo would be fine with you not buying it. They clearly don't want the market of graphic whores. They're fine with that crowd staying on PS, Xbox and PC as they don't make those type of games, get third party support from the devs chasing top graphics etc. They have no interest in being in the rat race for core gamers with Sony, MS and PC ever again and haven't since the GC failed.

 

[diaspora]

Like... if the Vita had TV out, would it be classified as a hybrid?

Rumors point to the NX using the Tegra X2 or some variation of the X1 developed for them with more power.

And if not, of if that's still not enough for you, Nintendo would be fine with you not buying it. They clearly don't want the market of graphic whores. They're fine with that crowd staying on PS, Xbox and PC as they don't make those type of games, get third party support from the devs chasing top graphics etc. They have no interest in being in the rat race for core gamers with Sony, MS and PC ever again and haven't since the GC failed.

Sony and Microsoft are useless, but if Nintendo wants to throw away 20 years of hardware and software purchasing amounting to several thousand dollars then more power to them.

 

[Krowley]

So it's a handheld, or a Wii U 1.5 at best. Fucking great. The idea of it being a "hybrid" is a red herring- because it isn't, it's just a handheld with a screen port.

But frankly, that's a big deal.

If the 3DS had graphics equivalent to last gen consoles or better, and I could hook it up to my TV. I would use it as a console way more than I would use it as a portable system.

It would function primarily as a console in my house. The portability would be a bonus.

 

[diaspora]

But frankly, that's a big deal.

If the 3DS had graphics equivalent to last gen consoles or better, and I could hook it up to my TV. I would use it as a console way more than I would use it as a portable system.

It would function primarily as a console in my house. The portability would be a bonus.

The thing is, the platform as a console, it's hardware is utter ass.

 

[javac]

The dock it launches with might only be TV out but that doesn't stop them from iterating on it a la Neo/Scorpio every few years.

 

[Hydrus]

Made a small edit for those that can't live without the dpad. I call it the dbuttons.

This is what I imagined it would look like. I just hope no circle pads. I hate those things.

 

[Astral Dog]

For a 2016 device it's hard to be worse.

the Wii U was designed before 2012,with low power consumption and BC in mind, not that it helps much, but its no 2016 device.

also, when it comes to games nowdays its more about artstyle, budget, memory than pure tech limitations, the major thing Nintendo would get from releasing a powerful system is the ocassional third party port.

 

[diaspora]

The dock it launches with might only be TV out but that doesn't stop them from iterating on it a la Neo/Scorpio every few years.

lol why isn't the dock a platform itself at that point?

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

I really like the mock ups, especially pitree's, for giving us a way to visualize the description, but I can't help but think we're all visualizing it wrong.

What about shoulder buttons? if the full controller had shoulder buttons, they would be in strange places when the controller split from the handheld. And no matter what it looks like, wouldn't 2 controllers on the sides of a tablet either make for really tiny controllers, or make the whole set up awkwardly large?

I feel like too many sacrifices would be made to controls for both single player and multiplayer games just to have the ability to play 2 players on a small screen together. Why not just sell the controllers separately and let them all connect to the screen. Why need to bookend the console with controllers to begin with.

I'm really excited to see it and I really hope we see the thing sooner than later! And definitely not later than September.

 

[Instro]

So it's a handheld, or a Wii U 1.5 at best. Fucking great. The idea of it being a "hybrid" is a red herring- because it isn't, it's just a handheld with a screen port.

I mean, even if you want to create the fantasy that it's 50% of the Xbone, it's still useless as a console.

Pretty much. A hybrid would be something that does both well, and the only way to do both well is with a dock or some device that augments the power to a large degree.

 

[javac]

lol why isn't the dock a platform itself at that point?

It isn't anything at this point.

 

[diaspora]

It isn't anything at this point.

Obviously, I'm asking why a dock significantly faster than the base system wouldn't be it's own system.

 

[Agent Unknown]

What I don't get is if the dock really is just a TV out then why would Nintendo bother spending so much time and resources on the SCD related patents which seem to make so much sense for this? I guess being proactive to protect the idea in case it didn't pan out now and they change their mind next time?

 

[Krowley]

The thing is, the platform as a console, it's hardware is utter ass.

But then there are other advantages. Cheaper price. Way better japanese 3rd party support than Nintendo consoles get these days, and if you get 3ds owners to buy it, a much larger userbase, which means a healthier software ecosystem overall, And all nintendo games aimed at one dedicated machine.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

It's a super handheld with TV out.

I can't believe people are downplaying potentially the most powerful handheld ever created just because it can connect to your TV.

I think people are just disappointed though. They all thought it was going to be a console for sure, even Reggie last year called it a home console. Nice and all about it being the most powerful handheld ever, it is something i really care very little for. 3DS is a neat handheld, stick with that and bring a real console that can match at least PS4.

 

[Astral Dog]

The thing is, the platform as a console, it's hardware is utter ass.

true, but depends how you see it, we saw games like MK8 running at 60fps (mostly) on the Wii U,

Interesting, Power wise NX sounds what the Wii U should have been. considering their goals/specifications

 

[brainchild]

So it's a handheld, or a Wii U 1.5 at best. Fucking great. The idea of it being a "hybrid" is a red herring- because it isn't, it's just a handheld with a screen port.

I mean, even if you want to create the fantasy that it's 50% of the Xbone, it's still useless as a console.

AT BEST, we're looking at something that's nearly 10 times the power of the Wii U. Realistically, it'll be at least 3 times the power of the Wii U.

Unless you think that the Wii U is useless as a console, your statement doesn't make any sense.

 

[diaspora]

But then there are other advantages. Cheaper price. Way better japanese 3rd party support than Nintendo consoles get these days, and if you get 3ds owners to buy it, a much larger userbase, which means a healthier software ecosystem overall, And all nintendo games aimed at one dedicated machine.

All of this is possible while also having a console that isn't a dumpster fire.

AT BEST, we're looking at something that's nearly 10 times the power of the Wii U. Realistically, it'll be at least 3 times the power of the Wii U.

Unless you think that the Wii U is useless as a console, your statement doesn't make any sense.

A platform operating in that performance envelope releasing in 2016 as a home console is terrible. This is like defending dedicated Blackberry devices at this point.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I disagree, as sometimes other people want to use the living room television, and it is nice to be able to quickly change to a handheld screen and let someone else watch TV for a bit.

I just don't think that's a super useful feature to many. At least not among the US middle class and above as we're mostly in decent sized houses with multiple TVs. Hell even growing up lower middle class in the 80s and 90s my parents got my brother and I small (13" I think) CRTs for our bedrooms so the living room TV wasn't getting hogged by gaming.

It's a useful feature for some for sure, and probably more so in Europe (and especially Japan) where small house/condo/apartment living is more common. But less so in North America, and less so in households with more money (which are likely to buy more games and hardware) as they're more likely to have the funds and space for multiple TVs.

Like... if the Vita had TV out, would it be classified as a hybrid?

If it had a dock that allowed it to overclock and put games on the TV at 1080p vs. it's native resolution? Sure. If it just had a TV out? No.

Sony and Microsoft are useless, but if Nintendo wants to throw away 20 years of hardware and software purchasing amounting to several thousand dollars then more power to them.

They're throwing nothing away. They're trying to find ways to increase attach rates and profits by being able to sell all their games to everyone who buys their hardware, and hopefully sell more hardware by having a lower price and some features that differentiated them from the competition (more attractive as a secondary device than grabbing a PS or Xbox if you already own the other).

Besides, all they have to do is stay relevant until internet capacity is at the point that everything is digital and in app based ecosystems and they can have their own Battle.net like ecosystem--only on multiple devices with all processing done in the cloud and thus no need for dedicated hardware beyond controllers and other peripherals. Dedicated consoles and portables will be gone in 10-15 years.

 

[Nanashrew]

At 38% the performance of the... xb1 it's not really a super anything.

I'm not considering it super in terms of power, but in terms of their content. The ultimate Nintendo box pretty much.

 

[Astral Dog]

All of this is possible while also having a console that isn't a dumpster fire.



A platform operating in that performance envelope releasing in 2016 as a home console is terrible. This is like defending dedicated Blackberry devices at this point.

but its not really a home system, this is no Wii U successor, that line is (mostly) dead

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Here's what I DON'T want: ports of Wii U games.

Here's what I DO want: original content and sequels to successful new IPs like Splatoon and Kid Icarus: Uprising (with fixed controls).

If Nintendo wants to be successful this time around with another machine that has weak specs, then follow that advice please. Lazy ports of Wii U games that will barely look better will not help them in the long run and I hope they don't go down that road.

 

[Instro]

Obviously, I'm asking why a dock significantly faster than the base system wouldn't be it's own system.

Well I suppose it could be cheaper to produce and sell.

 

[psyfi]

The thing is, the platform as a console, it's hardware is utter ass.

And some of us don't care. *raises hand*

It's worth it for the portability. Plus I've already been 100% happy with the performance of Nintendo's Wii U games.

 

[diaspora]

but its not really a home system, this is no Wii U successor, that line is (mostly) dead

This is partially what I'm saying- as a 3DS successor- cool. As a home console, it's a tire fire.

 

[Neoleo2143]

A platform operating in that performance envelope releasing in 2016 as a home console is terrible. This is like defending dedicated Blackberry devices at this point.

Can your theoretical device hit a $250 price point? Because NX needs to hit that pricepoint to be successful.

 

[Nanashrew]

Here's what I DON'T want: ports of Wii U games.

Here's what I DO want: original content and sequels to successful new IPs like Splatoon and Kid Icarus: Uprising (with fixed controls).

If Nintendo wants to be successful this time around with another machine that has weak specs, then follow that advice please. Lazy ports of Wii U games that will barely look better will not help them in the long run and I hope they don't go down that road.

You'll get ports as no system goes without ports. Even PS4 got PS3 ports.

 

[diaspora]

Can your theoretical device hit a $250 price point? Because NX needs to hit that pricepoint to be successful.

The XB1 can.

 

[Neoleo2143]

The XB1 can.

Is the Xbox one portable?

 

[Neoxon]

Here's what I DON'T want: ports of Wii U games.

Here's what I DO want: original content and sequels to successful new IPs like Splatoon and Kid Icarus: Uprising (with fixed controls).

If Nintendo wants to be successful this time around with another machine that has weak specs, then follow that advice please. Lazy ports of Wii U games that will barely look better will not help them in the long run and I hope they don't go down that road.

We're likely getting Wii U ports regardless, especially for games like Smash 4 which ended major DLC support rather recently & would take a good long while to get an actual sequel out.

 

[brainchild]

I think people are just disappointed though. They all thought it was going to be a console for sure, even Reggie last year called it a home console. Nice and all about it being the most powerful handheld ever, it is something i really care very little for. 3DS is a neat handheld, stick with that and bring a real console that can match at least PS4.

We don't even know if Nintendo is working on a separate console system, or maybe the SCD from their patents that can serve as an upgrade to the NX.

Being disappointed that the NX is not as powerful as the ps4 is like being disappointed that the 3DS isn't as powerful as the Wii U. Those expectations were misplaced from the beginning.

 

[Speely]

Remember that Nintendo always uses custom chipsets, and as such we don't really know a lot about what the NX SoC will be. Could be a souped-up, optimized X1. Could be a badass custom X2. Claiming it's a crappy when functioning as a console is a bit premature at this time, since it is VERY unlikely that they are just slapping a stock X1 in a handheld and providing a HDMI out.

 

[Nanashrew]

Can your theoretical device hit a $250 price point? Because NX needs to hit that pricepoint to be successful.

Lower. $250 was too high for the 3DS and I doubt Nintendo is going to do that again after both the 3DS and Wii U were priced too high for anyone to make a purchase. They slashed 3DS to $170 really fast just to get some momentum going.

 

[diaspora]

Is the Xbox one portable?

It doesn't need to be, they can do both, sell both, and make games for both without needing to split resources.

If someone thinks this is a great portable- great, because it is. But it's a fucking disaster as a console.

 

[brainchild]

All of this is possible while also having a console that isn't a dumpster fire.



A platform operating in that performance envelope releasing in 2016 as a home console is terrible. This is like defending dedicated Blackberry devices at this point.

Dude, this isn't a home console. Get over it.

 

[eifer]

My biggest fear are terrible joysticks... I assume I'll be able to use the wii u pro controller though

 

[Deadpool_X]

Sooo...let's say all of this is 100% true. Let's say that the NX is a handheld with a docking station and these weird little controllers on the edges of the screen.

How exactly is one supposed to play Just Dance on it? I mean, Ubi already announced the game for the system. How, with what we are being told the system supposedly is, would that even work? No info has come out about motion tracking or Wiimote compatibility.

I dunno, the more I think about this rumor, the more it feels like the "source" is simply telling people what they've wanted to hear about the console all along...

 

[javac]

Obviously, I'm asking why a dock significantly faster than the base system wouldn't be it's own system.

Nintendo is going to iterate on the system anyways like they have anyways done with their handhelds from GBC to the New 3DS and so theoretically with NX they could create a more powerful NX down the line but also sell an SCD to breathe life into the old NX, which would be the equivalent of Sony releasing an add on for the PS4 to bring it to parity with Neo but in a more elegant fashion. Everything is going the iterative route anyways. Point being, the system that they release next year doesn't have to be the one they sick with for the reminder of the gen in regards to power.

 

[hokahey]

People upset about power are completely missing the point. Nintendo isn't after the so called "hardcore" crowd. That segment of gamers that will never make Nintendo their primary console. They're after everyone else, which like it or not, is the larger gaming population. The Minecraft players. The Pokemon Go players. The 3DS crowd. And the Nintendo fanboys. The remaining gamers will buy it as a 2nd console. And that understood, it will he perfectly serviceable as both a portable and home console. Just because it won't necessarily run the hottest new engines doesn't mean that your average person will give a shit. If you're the type of gamer that does, well, there are still products on the market for you. If you see the rest of us having a blast with our NXs, you'll buy one anyway. Fun trumps everything. As does the desire to not miss out on it.

 

[Speely]

Sooo...let's say all of this is 100% true. Let's say that the NX is a handheld with a docking station and these weird little controllers on the edges of the screen.

How exactly is one supposed to playJust Dance on it? I mean, Ubi already announced the game for the system. How, with what we are being told the system supposedly is, would that even work? No info has come out about motion tracking or Wiimote compatibility.

I dunno, the more I think about this rumor, the more it feels like the "source" is simply telling people what they've wanted to hear about the console all along...

The controllers might be like wiimotes. Edit: and the tracking might be part of the dock, or even the portable itself. I doubt they ignored motion controls/tracking entirely.

 

[phanphare]

Here's what I DON'T want: ports of Wii U games.

Here's what I DO want: original content and sequels to successful new IPs like Splatoon and Kid Icarus: Uprising (with fixed controls).

If Nintendo wants to be successful this time around with another machine that has weak specs, then follow that advice please. Lazy ports of Wii U games that will barely look better will not help them in the long run and I hope they don't go down that road.

it'd sure help them out in the short term though which with this particular device would help them out in the long term

so you're kind of totally wrong ;p

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Sooo...let's say all of this is 100% true. Let's say that the NX is a handheld with a docking station and these weird little controllers on the edges of the screen.

How exactly is one supposed to playJust Dance on it? I mean, Ubi already announced the game for the system. How, with what we are being told the system supposedly is, would that even work? No info has come out about motion tracking or Wiimote compatibility.

I dunno, the more I think about this rumor, the more it feels like the "source" is simply telling people what they've wanted to hear about the console all along...

The controllers have gyrometers and accelerometers and the game just uses that?

 

[Pif]

What about VR?

There is an indie game in development for Oculus/NX.

But a <2k screen is not enough to deliver clean VR with a GearVR type thing.

 

[jdstorm]

Sooo...let's say all of this is 100% true. Let's say that the NX is a handheld with a docking station and these weird little controllers on the edges of the screen.

How exactly is one supposed to play Just Dance on it? I mean, Ubi already announced the game for the system. How, with what we are being told the system supposedly is, would that even work? No info has come out about motion tracking or Wiimote compatibility.

I dunno, the more I think about this rumor, the more it feels like the "source" is simply telling people what they've wanted to hear about the console all along...

You can play just dance on PS4 with any modern smartphone. I'd assume it would be similar with the NX.

 

[TLZ]

Again, if they use the Wii U streaming technology from the tablet to the TV connection instead of the current method of console to the controller (and I'm pretty confident this will happen), the player has the screen in their hands the whole time.

Screen in the player's hands the whole time will force us with a Wii U situation, which I do not think will happen again. Also, having the screen in our hands the whole time while playing on TV renders the dock useless if it's just a tv out. They can just give us a chromecast-like connection straight to the TV instead.

 

[Krowley]

The controllers might be like wiimotes.

Yep.

I bet it even has a sensor bar for screen cursor functionality to fill in for the lack of touch screen when you're using it in console mode.

 

[antonz]

People upset about power are completely missing the point. Nintendo isn't after the so called "hardcore" crowd. That segment of gamers that will never make Nintendo their primary console. They're after everyone else, which like it or not, is the larger gaming population. The Minecraft players. The Pokemon Go players. The 3DS crowd. And the Nintendo fanboys. The remaining gamers will buy it as a 2nd console. And that understood, it will he perfectly serviceable as both a portable and home console. Just because it won't necessarily run the hottest new engines doesn't mean that your average person will give a shit. If you're the type of gamer that does, well, there are still products on the market for you. If you see the rest of us having a blast with our NXs, you'll buy one anyway. Fun trumps everything. As does the desire to not miss out on it.

Nintendo is chasing a white whale. Your entire argument is basically summed up as they just need to catch that white whale and everything will be ok.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

What about VR?

There is an indie game in development for Oculus/NX.

But a <2k screen is not enough to deliver clean VR with a GearVR type thing.

I doubt the have any interest in VR with the NX. They'll let other companies take their lumps with first gen VR and if it starts to catch on they can work it into the NX successor if they do well enough to justify a successor.