George Oscar Bluth II
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Unless they call them Ultimate Cut, they could be just alternative cuts, like the X-men ones.
Kibbles
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I was worried about this and coming out of the movie I do think there is an ultimate cut to be had that can expand a lot more on some of these quick ass abrupt scenes, BUT the base movie is definitely a lot more enjoyable than BvS and is definitely still good in it's own right. Still, I wish I wasn't hoping for an UC while I was watching the movie itself.
Smokey_Run
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Seeing how most think Ayer's cut won out in the end and he went back and shaped the movie to his liking with the reshoots, I doubt there is any Directors/Ultimate Cut of SS. BVS UE seemed like part of the deal when WB went in and chopped that movie up at the last minute.
George Oscar Bluth II
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You'll get deleted and alternate scenes on the BD.
How was the Joker in this movie? How was his relationship with Harley? Was there at least good chemistry?
Too true.
I don't know that people were then left with wildly different opinions of Days of Future Past though. Either way, you were still left with what is widely considered a pretty good movie.
With BvS there's most certainly a bad one, and one that can be argued to be atleast somewhat redeemable. Hell, the former has the context behind half the fucking movie completely stripped out of it. At this point, WB would benefit from burying the theatrical version to the point of being completely unfindable to atleast help shift the conversation over time with any latecomers...
broncobuster
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Extended or unrated cuts are fairly common. Even HBO lists both for a couple movies. Now, the story behind the BvS UC is murky but they leaned harder into it than most. We know it was prepared and rated back in December, talked openly about prior to BvS hit theaters. Somebody there must've known.
So the movie was aight but the after party setup was INSANE, and I've been to a few by this point. Had a Harley actress dancing in her cage, a Harley Quinn "Tattoo Parlor" to make your own tattoos and Harley "Daddy" T-shirts, all the Comic Con costume setups. Also some integrated Samsung stuff (of course) Luckily there's only one product shot in the film but it is eye roll-worthy.
Back to a few points I'm not gonna quote
Will Smith is the best he's ever been. The audience reactions were the biggest for his scenes. Dare I say he chews the scenes better than Leto
Some of the flashbacks go by so quick and serve no purpose. Leto, while I'm intrigued, still feel like people will be undecided.
Enchantress was... interesting? Still never got the motive.
Tbh felt like Flagg, Boomerang and Diablo were my standouts
Rest were good.
I loved the bar scene. Very very raw performances. Had a lot of heart.
That's as far as I'll go as i can tell this thread doesn't want specific spoilers.
Back to a few points I'm not gonna quote
Will Smith is the best he's ever been. The audience reactions were the biggest for his scenes. Dare I say he chews the scenes better than Leto
Some of the flashbacks go by so quick and serve no purpose. Leto, while I'm intrigued, still feel like people will be undecided.
Enchantress was... interesting? Still never got the motive.
Tbh felt like Flagg, Boomerang and Diablo were my standouts
Rest were good.
I loved the bar scene. Very very raw performances. Had a lot of heart.
That's as far as I'll go as i can tell this thread doesn't want specific spoilers.
Kibbles
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I loved Joker, he was the highlight for me. Again, he's in it very briefly in real brief snippets here and there. Maybe 10min screentime all totaled out, so not a whole lot of room for character building there especially with how fast things go. He spits out some completely unexpected funny lines IMO but he also makes his prescense felt and I love how he acts before he gets ready to lay it down on his victims. He's really a tease in this film, but I can't wait to see where they go with the various emotions he displays throughout here with how he can be crazy and fun to being this menacing force.
I think Harley and him had great chemistry, it definitely felt like they were a couple. One brief scene was really interesting from Harley's point of view but I don't want to spoil it, might trip some people out seeing it lol. I mean, people who want Joker and Harley's relationship to be exactly like BTAS canon or what not will be disappointed, this is definitely a different take on their relationship you guys probably are aware of by now.
Some other thoughts:
Harley, Deadshot, and Flag are the primary characters here. Diablo, Boomer, and Croc are underneath them and all have their moments. I love when Killer Croc is in fight scenes, you can feel his strength. Katana stuff is pretty brief. Joker might have her beat out here.
Viola Davis, Ooooo weee. She's badass, no surprise there.
Will Smith is very much action-movie Will Smith, just not the raging goof-ball version.
Cara was great as June Moon/Dirty Witch Enchantress. But by the time she dawns the headress you see in the Comic-Con trailer I don't really like her acting and CG elements from there.
Margot Robbie killing it as Harley imo. She's got enough accent throughout the film for me I don't see how people can complain. She has some ass kicking moments and cam be funny and wild and crazy.
I'd probably give the movie an 8/10. I don't really like doing numbers but that seems like a fair score to give. It's a very enjoyable fun movie with a lot of really cool scenes and stuff to love. However, I do have my issues with scenes going to fast, ending abruptly, making me wish for a UC as I sat there and watched. I never planned on getting invested in the villain here, it's always been about the Squad, but don't expect anything to separate itself from the genre. It's very much a villian in the vein of recent CBMs. Don't expect anything mind-blowing or world-altering. If I'm honest, the CG stuff was pretty lame and surprising given Ayer seems to have disdain for CG characters too.
This might be the most unexpected thing in this thread
#Willenium2.0
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Thanks a lot for the response!
Every impression I've seen from various people had different "standouts". You would not believe the amount of folks who found Croc to be the strongest aspect of this film.
Film Dude gives it a 2.5/5
"The government form a secret task force of the worst supervillains they have imprisoned to combat any future threats from metahumans of the world.
"Suicide Squad" features a killer soundtrack and one of the most promising of ensemble casts, only for its execution to fail. It simply doesn't handle the large assortment of characters well, with only a few obvious highlights stealing the show from the much less-interesting other members, who falter in their limited screentime, secondary backstories and shoe-horned contributions to saving the world. It's disappointing such striking visuals are wasted on a colourless plot and bland action. Death by boredom."
"The government form a secret task force of the worst supervillains they have imprisoned to combat any future threats from metahumans of the world.
"Suicide Squad" features a killer soundtrack and one of the most promising of ensemble casts, only for its execution to fail. It simply doesn't handle the large assortment of characters well, with only a few obvious highlights stealing the show from the much less-interesting other members, who falter in their limited screentime, secondary backstories and shoe-horned contributions to saving the world. It's disappointing such striking visuals are wasted on a colourless plot and bland action. Death by boredom."
KeyBladerXIII
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Halle-FUCKING-lujah!
For fuck's sake, bring in the Hispanic/Latino/Mexican heroes and villains.
Boomerang was looking enjoyably dickish in the trailers. I'm not surprised.
Those that read the New52 Suicide Squad might already expect El Diablo to be more likable, or atleast well-intentioned, than one would presume.
Liking Flagg though... that's a shock to me.
That's literally the entire review. There are posts in this thread just goofing off that are longer. Does that bug anyone else? Comes off as lazy to me. Anyway, never heard of this guy. Notable?
broncobuster
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Suicide Squad was the warm up. Leto is slowly going mad in the years til Affleck's Batman.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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As long as he isn't eating buckets of melted ice cream so he can star in a truly awful movie alongside Lindsay Lohan, he's not even close to mad on the Leto scale.
I don't think so.=O
Kibbles
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David Ayer clarified recently, I think in Leto's Rolling Stone cover story, that the "used condoms" were just simply condoms opened up out of their packaging. Also it kind of relates to a scene in the movie... you'll see what I mean. Also:
lol oh and calling him Mr. J was "the director's doing" according to Jared tonight on Jimmy Fallon.
edit: Yeah I see people complaining about the plot already. I don't blame them, the villian leaves a lot to be desired, but I knew the villian wasn't going to be amazing going in so I wasn't too surprised there, I thought the ride with the Squad was fun.
He Jorked us, bro.
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Internet reviewers are embarrassing sometimes.
What happened to simply telling me whether you liked a movie or not?
What happened to simply telling me whether you liked a movie or not?
Yeezus H. Christ
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Very vague review that suggests this dude didnt even watch it.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Was this written in two minutes or something?
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4/5 spoiler free review here: http://sowizardpodcast.com/2016/08/movie-review-suicide-squad/
All WB had to do was adding a few jokes all along.
I mean... truthfully the action scenes are meh and few and far between. Even the shot composition of the third act battle was a little mind boggling. It was literally them just standing around in a small group. Don't go into this moving expecting anything on the level of Civil War. This movie shines in other ways (but don't count a villain or their lack of motive as one)
Bold Prediction: https://twitter.com/raminsetoodeh/status/760334693359349760
George Oscar Bluth II
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Sounds like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Looking at this Summer, that isn't saying much tbh
No it isn't, did you expect The Godfather or something? 8/10 is the absolute ceilling, like, over the top ceilling.
Yeezus H. Christ
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I get what you mean. Critic reviews tend to be more critical than early screeners, so if early impressions are saying 7-8/10, we could be looking at 60-70 for RT.
ElBoxyBrown
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It's only competition this month is Pete's Dragon and War Dogs. Otherwise this movie, judging by extreme good word of mouth and reception, could stay on top until Blair Witch comes out.
GravityInsanity
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I can already imagine some of you tomorrow morning on RT.
If that was the case Thor 2, Iron Man2, 3amd Ultron would be like 20% RT. All the movie needs is a likeable cast.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Sounds like your standard comic book film, which I'm totally fine with at this point.
Kibbles
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Not really. It's a comic book movie I think will be more than satisfactory for fans of the genre. Maybe people who only watched the first trailer expect some serious genre-defining film lol but it's very much, unapologetically, a comic book movie.
Those were all before ''super-hero fatigue'' shitstorm started. Audience wants more super heroes and critics are sceptical about how long will the formula stand.
So the thing is critics are getting more and more savage against super hero movies. For a recent example just look at X-Men Apocalypse.
Yeezus H. Christ
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if there's one thing I'm worried about is if this movie gets sub-70 or sub-60 you'll see a bunch of fuckers going on about how critics hate DC and all that nonsense
my least favorite part of CBM discussion
my least favorite part of CBM discussion
Kibbles
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I loved Leto, he sold me as the Joker and was captivating in his performance. He just doesn't have enough screen time to be showered with awards or anything. The Joker and Harley bits were definitely highlights of the film for me. I think he will have plenty opportunity to shine in the future. As much as I wanted him to be in it, this isn't a Joker movie. He mainly serves as a side character to futher Harley's story.
I think the truth is more too little too late. The DCEU movies try to be more thematically serious than Marvel's sacrificing a bit (or a lot depending on your point of view) of the fun. Of course a serious theme requires a serious critique and comic book movies dealing with a flying alien fighting a guy in a bat costume with a bit of ancient warrior thrown in do not lend themselves well to serious critique. Then you have Suicide Squad which appears to come in with less of the serious and more of the fun possibly getting blasted for not staying consistent. People expected a heavier movie here and instead got something generic. Which would be fine if people hadn't already been through this with Marvel who appear to be shying away from doing generic in order to keep the interest up. So now (we'll know tomorrow) a not so serious comic book action romp gets slapped with serious critique and buckles.
I enjoyed BvS but it's because i can't help getting excited about seeing iconic characters on screen,i'm nothing but a huge fanboy so i can overlook the flaws at some point. And other times those flaws are just too obvious but these stuff don't turn the movie into a bad one for me as long as the actual product has enough redeeming qualities. For me in BvS it was Affleck. But i also write in a local movie/comic site and when i have to put a review for a comic book movie i try not to be a film critic or a fanboy. I try express my opinions as an average movie-goer so i point out the flaws even though some of them might not be huge problems for me. And let's face it BvS is really not a good product for an average movie goer. And critics don't write their reviews for fanboys, they do it to inform average movie-goers.
Blinded DC fanboys are unable to see this.
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