They could convert extra of the special coins back to normal ones after the event is over too. I understand why they are doing this, they are a business and deserve to make money, but this is just a little too unfair.
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Overwatch gets Summer Games update (new mode in Weekly Brawl, new skins/etc)
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Not criticizing you, just curious:
Why save that many? Not interested in buying anything that's out there already?
Interfectum
Gold Member
If you buy $20 in loot crates and combine that with a healthy amount of playtime you can pretty much buy any 1 or 2 legendaries (if not more) you need with that.
This is no longer the case with the summer items. It's a 'new low' for Overwatch. I'm not sure why you take issue with people having a problem with this.
Is everyone playing Overwatch addicted to gambling? Please don't use comparisons likw this.
If you miss out you will miss out.
I have everything I wanted. I have the best legendary skins for almost every hero.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I call bullshit.
In order to save up to "immediately buy everything they want", they have to have spent multiple hundreds of hours playing the game. If they're that committed, I say let them have it. They represent the top 5% of time-spenders in the game. If anything, their presence encourages others to continue to play and possibly spend a little more to expedite their skin unlock progress.
You speak as though everyone has 5,000 credits at the ready, waiting to buy something. 99% of players do not. Have some perspective.
Missed out on what? Skins that I don't want in first place? Not that big of an loss. I need better look at Summer Games skins, but if there is even one I actually want and over 2 weeks get fucked by RNG yeah I'm going to feel tad salty. I like cosmetics like skins, doesn't mean I want every possible skin tho.
Not going to real money gamble for those SG skins.
I'm almost level 100 and yet to have all skins I want. RNG is cruel mistress.
But you bought $20 worth of loot crates.
There is a culture of people who play a ton (spend a ton) or don't in every game. It doesn't make anything more or less fair or enjoyable. You seem to be asserting everyone should be able to easily obtain all released content forever, which means there won't really be rare items. I paid for the game full price, but as long as they keep having new content and there is always something cool for me to unlock I don't care if I missed something else.
BigBadGiantHand
Member
I don't like this....but I sort of need that Tracer skin.
God damn you gonna die on this hill? I wish I could defend Blizzard for this one like you are but it is a little too much take and not enough give in this case. They are normally a little more fair (at least lately with their games) but this is too much.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
That's certainly not true. It's 100% possible in the current system to get what you want you just can't be sure how long it might take. Also, 'other games do it' is no defence whatsoever. It's bad when those games do it as well.
This isn't about missing out it's about gambling being the only way to unlock items. The only reason they're doing it this way is to exploit people. They could just add them as regular pay once transactions or any other number of ways. They chose to add a gambling element because they know it works and we know it works for the wrong reasons.
AnkhWeasel
Member
While it's already a hell of an endeavour to get every unlock, at least it's possible and won't become impossible later. This, though... You could be massively dedicated and bang out 100 levels in the few weeks this'll be out for and STILL not get everything.
Is it a bit nuts to want everything? Sure, but they're also encouraging it by constantly showing the number of unlocks you've earned.
Is it a bit nuts to want everything? Sure, but they're also encouraging it by constantly showing the number of unlocks you've earned.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I hope no coat Mei is just a spray.
Skins you don't want? No one knows what the Blizzcon exclusive skins will be.
And be salty, sure. But if you feel compelled to spend some cash to increase your odds of getting the skin you're not suddenly a gambling addict.
All I can think is "a new low in unlocking and microtransactions." In all seriousness, the point of loot boxes is to extract extra cash from players. Of course blizzard is going to make it exploitative as possible without getting sanctioned in some way for it. Companies aren't your friend - you're just a dollar sign to them. Blizzard would he crazy not to release new skins in such a limited fashion.
Interfectum
Gold Member
I don't think you understand the argument so I'll just leave you be.
Just because you don't care doesn't make it right. I frankly only care for the Tracer and Zarya skins yet I won't defend this decision.
And no, I'm not asserting that. The way things are even if you put in 200 hours there isn't a guarantee that you will get all of the Summer Games content. That is not "rarity", that's exclusivity to people who can fork up money to the RNG gods. Overwatch itself has the gold weapons which are a perfect example of a rare item in a game because if you put in the time and skill you're guaranteed to get them.
ArgyleReptile
Banned
Oh great, now I got another Lucio Legendary I can be showered with another hundred times.
motorised mallard
Member
It's not much but boooo.
lol
Garrett Hawke
Member
err, there is no guarantee of that considering you can get duplicates
Bolded bit, if you are super lucky in 2 weeks time period. How OW's loot system is you getting skin you want is extremely unlikely within that 2 weeks availability period without absolutely insane played hours or some 's.
Or you won't. Same chance tbh.
I've spent money on the game for loot crates and got some cool things before and I'm not addicted to gambling.
By the time you've played long enough to get everything they actually have available right now (without playing all the time) they may have replaced older content with new content to increase odds of getting newer in-game items. It's not unheard of in this genre.
Other games do this way worse. It's not "a new low in microtransactions". That's one crazy overreaction.
And several people have admitted they will be salty they will miss out. People are concerned about the time period. Those concerns aren't about gambling.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Your odds never increase. This is actually 100% the kind of stuff we're talking about here. No matter how much you spend your odds will never improve in this system but that wasn't true in the old system.
I get it, I know it sounds like too much but this really is the same kind of stuff that does turn people into gambling addicts. I know it's 'just a game' so it doesn't seem serious but that's exactly why I think these sort of systems shouldn't be anywhere near video games in general.
That this is a title people already paid full price for only makes it even worse. I'm sorry I've replied to you so many times, and your posts are respectful so I thank you for that but I can personally see how this could be a big issue for people and there's no reason it had to be added in this way.
Blizzard have many other options to add content and micro-transactions that don't attract the kind of problems this genuinely will. Anyway I do thank you for the discussion. I just feel it's important to communicate the issues that I can see will arise from this system.
There's 90 items and the chance for duplicates, so no you won't definitely end up getting the Tracer skin even if you grind 90 levels in 2 weeks (somehow).
Will you? You get one summer item per loot box, you can't use coins on the summer items, and you can get dupes. Seems to me that by playing normally you'll have a very slim chance of getting any specific costumes that you want.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not in any way talking about getting everything, only people looking to get one specific thing.
truestatic
Member
No. No, you won't definitely get it. There's no way to be certain of that. This shit is 100% luck of the draw, and unless they make the skins HIGH FUCKING ODDS, you can bet that a lot of people will play their asses off trying to get this or that one item, and never fucking see it. That's the cause for frustration here.
Well, that, and the fact that their highly limited nature, combined with the complete inability to guarantee this or that item through credits (as you can normally) is manipulating the weak willed to buy boxes when they otherwise wouldn't.
You can't spend coins on the summer costumes.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Interfectum
Gold Member
There are 90 summer items. Each lootcrate that drops will usually have one summer item. These summer items can be dupes. You can't buy the summer items with in-game currency.
Lets figure you get lucky and get the Tracer skin in 45-50 lootcrates. How long will that take you?
You understand how chance works right?
- There's 90 Olympic items. So that's a 1 in 18 chance.
- However, Overwatch's system allows for duplicates.
- Also you need to include the pool of who knows how many Vanilla items.
You also have to do it in potentially 20 days where it takes about an hour to level up beyond Lvl 25. Most people here have jobs and responsibilities that will restrict their playtime.
Gipsy Danger
Member
that's the problem, you're not guaranteed and after 22nd, it's gone forever.
Arguing against spending money on a system like this and then introducing a hypothetical that involves spending money is silly.
Lol, no you wont.
With the rarity of legendary skins - and the rarity of getting a summer item on top of that - you'll be lucky to get a summer skin, never mind the one you want.
Well if they have jobs they can use their hard-earned cash to buy Limited Edition Overwatch Summer Games Lootboxes. It's a perfect solution!
Interfectum
Gold Member
It's only silly if you don't know the argument or problem being posed. Look at the Kito example above and try to understand the issue.
Automatic trash post because you used the phrase entitled. It's astounding to see someone call people greedy for wanting the opportunity to unlock content in a game many people bought, probably in part, due to the promise of long-term, mostly free support.
YuriLowell
Member
Blizzard promised free maps and characters, never free skins.
Interfectum
Gold Member
No one is asking for free skins. They are asking to be able to use the currency Blizzard provided for us in the game. This is not rocket science here.
Yet they introduced in-game currency system so you can unlock skins instead of gambling for them.
But I guess they are phasing out in-game currency system.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Since you can get duplicates, there's 90+ new items and you apparently are only certain to get one Summer Games item per loot box (according to this), I think there's a pretty good possibility that even if you play 12 hours a day for the 21 days these will be available, you still won't get every item...
It's a terrible system.