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Suicide Squad |OT| Rotten Prince of Belle Reve
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Zelenogorsk
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Rope Guy prequel will save the DCEU!
Rope Guy is a metaphor for us
March of the Crabs
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Ugh. I knew after hearing that terrible Twenty One Pilots song (and the rest of the awful soundtrack) that this was aiming for the "13 year old girls who idolize Harley Quinn" demographic. I'm sure it'll make lots of money, but unless the GAF consensus is wildly different, I'll probably skip this.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
I'm not home atm, drinking few beers. I have my small review at home, so I'll just write briefly.
Not a good movie. What happened to Joker? Bad pacing, too many characters, a bit better than BvS. 2/5
Not a good movie. What happened to Joker? Bad pacing, too many characters, a bit better than BvS. 2/5
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Holy Rotten Tomatoes Batman! I didn't really like any of the trailers for SS but I was hoping that they were just bad trailers, and that DC was going to have their first legit good movie in many years, but WOAH! Look at all of these bad reviews??? 
Worse reactions than I expected, damn.
Worse reactions than I expected, damn.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
this place is like a morgue
Post it.
LyleLanley
Banned
Glad to see he's taking this well.
Expected with the Review thread.
That wasn't really a thing?
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Yeah, this never happened
I see quite a few people refer to MCU films 'lowest common denominator' films tho, that's kind of rude
Rope Guy died for Ayer's sins.
I mean you guys realize that literally happens in this thread, right?
Or am I the only one who remembers the "Yea but he liked BvS" comments when the early impressions were hitting?
broncobuster
Banned
Uhh, this happened all the time. This is pretty much all that "I enjoyed BvS more than Civil War" thread was.
Comic book films set GAF off something fierce.
oh shit, I had forgotten about that. lol
Inferno313
Banned
To be fair, certain DC fans on Twitter were pretty fucking heinous around the BvS release. Faraci, Yamato, and other online critics who gave the movie bad reviews were getting death threats the likes of which they had never received for a bad review before.
any area that develops fanboys gets pretty bad. in one of the many "oh god no headphone jack on the iPhone" threads someone suggested Apple was the Donald Trump of the tech industry
broncobuster
Banned
Making it personal is going too far. All around, discourse over these nerd properties is in the toilet.
Huh, is it the reboot of Godwin's law?
Have you ever been in a bvs threAd? All it is is 3-4 people who hate the movie circle jerking over how bad it was and generally insulting whoever says they like it with some small decent conversation sprinkled here and there.
johnnydrama
Banned
The best thing to come out this is that I've completely given up on DCEU. Can't be disappointed if you don't care.
Messofanego
Banned
Really wanted this to be great, to be better than Deadpool. Oh well, after these reviews, gotta give it a miss at the cinema.
Still excited for it. I liked BvsS and like the ultimate cut better, i'm not saying they were great but i still liked them. Reviewers are going to review movies but I still maintain I feel they are starting to see comic book movie fatigue and are going to start reviewing them more harshly. And dare I say sometimes I feel there is a little comic book fanboyism leaking into the movie realms with a bias towards Marvel films over the underdog DC. Regardless comic book movies come with the problem of a long ass history of characters and story being jammed into a 2 hour long movie. People needing to be spoonfed most details in a movie can hurt comic book movies because of their nature. People are already complaining 'But Joker is barely in it!" Well yea, he's not the focus of Suicide Squad. SS is about B and C level villain characters given a spotlight. Joker shouldn't be the star. DC and WB unfortunately shouldn't have made him such a huge part of the ad campaign but thats their fault, not the movie. Things like that help me reserve judgement till I see it. I still think this will do well at the box office despite reviews if people just take it for a fun popcorn movie.
Messofanego
Banned
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/08/suicide-squad-review
Damn, he went hard. This Vanity Fair critic Richard Lawson even liked End Of Watch ("He also made the competent, harrowing L.A. cops downer End of Watch) so he's not even a hater of David Ayer. I trust this critic.
I'm sure if making a good movie was easy, everyone would be doing it. Unfortunately, we live in a society where an arbitrary aggregated meter is the sole indicator of quality in people's minds. It doesn't matter what you think anymore. It's the consensus that matters.
With the previous two movies, I would say that's Snyder's own fucked perspective on what he thinks makes superheroes interesting. Apparently ernestness and likability doesn't factor into that. And BvS, while the Ultimate Cut is certainly a better movie to a point (hell, you might get a RT score in the 60's with that), WB never should have allowed a 3 hour movie that needs to be so heavily edited for theaters. Talking to people about the UC or TC is pretty much having two separate conversations.
It's not totally clear yet on Suicide Squad. Maybe it was the reshoots, maybe it's the editing, I dunno. At its core, I just don't think having your first film being the super problematic Man of Steel gives you a good template to work off of, and not having anyone sane around to guide that ship in a Kevin Feige-like capacity doesn't help.
Maybe Geoff Johns having some direct oversight now will help. Dude's got the chops to tell a good story. Having him overlooking this universe certainly can't hurt. Now there's someone atleast to challenge the Snyders.
Black Republican
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So its not even Harley Quinn feat friends?
damndamndamn
damndamndamn
Movie tickets are $14 at my AMC. There's a ton of shit I want to see (some in theaters, many not) and if I'm going to shell out that $14 and 2+ hours of my time for a new release, it's not going to be wasted on something that the majority of people who've seen it before me has said it's not worth watching.
I can always catch these movies on HBO or Netflix sometime down the line. What you think still matters; no one's saying you can't see it yourself, whenever you want. But when movies are expensive and plentiful, it's ridiculous to ignore red flags being raised by other people.
Came back from the theater, what a letdown... it's not trash but it's very mediocre, the Joker was a mistake, Harley is overdoing it, only Will Smith delivered, the plot is... wait what plot ?!
the movie is just bland, flat and really disappointing, DCU is pretty bad so far, Marvel can relax, they have no competition right now.
the movie is just bland, flat and really disappointing, DCU is pretty bad so far, Marvel can relax, they have no competition right now.
Nah, I strongly recommend to listen to the actual aggregate of opinions from a variety of individuals, namely the user reviews. The amount of tryhard hateful critics and bias is miles less problematic in a pool of 5000+ reviews than in a 40-80 from people who get paid to get clicks and generate controversy for the sake of traffic.
That's why the Steam user reviews systematically rendered Metacritic and similar crap useless and laughable, and that's why "audience score" in RT and places like Filmaffinity which prioritize user scores -with critics reviews being an extra- are actually reasonable unlike complete hyperbole like the 27% of BvS.
We live in a world in which people don't need to buy magazines to read some critic score. Thankfully. Though some people seems to be willingly stuck with that.
Messofanego
Banned
Ok, and what about fellow GAFers opinions mirroring the reviews?
Let's drop this dumb divide between critics and us enthusiasts. We all know what a good movie looks like and what a bad movie does, it's usually the same criteria. There's no point anymore to have an elitism over not liking some aggregate score. No one is stopping you from watching the movie. Make your own mind, watch it, then be sure to say Suicide Squad is absolutely amazing or then your thing against aggregate scores is pointless haha
got really good vibes from all the trailers and I'm open to the leto joker. He's really different and i like that.
So I'm really wondering about the soso reviews so far. But after the bvs fiasko some people probably look at this flick with their *thisistheDCUSaviour* glasses and have very high expectations.
Still very much looking forward to this movie.
So I'm really wondering about the soso reviews so far. But after the bvs fiasko some people probably look at this flick with their *thisistheDCUSaviour* glasses and have very high expectations.
Still very much looking forward to this movie.
What about them?
If I came into this thread singing the praises for SS, calling it one of the better superhero movies, would that one opinion sway the general consensus that SS is miserable pile of
mediocrity? What do you think WB is going to hear? Who are they going to pay attention to?
That's all I'm getting at. It all leads to what makes a good movie which has never had a concrete definition and never will.
Theres no divide, critics are just people. User reviews are often hijacked, for example bvs had thousands of reeviews before it even dropped, and for these huge, beloved properties people will get in and drop 10/10 or 0/10.
If people really liked BvS it wouldnt have tanked, that movie was a lock for a billi and it underperformed significantly.
I highly doubt Zack has any say at all when it comes to narrative decisions anymore
Is Johns working a similar position to Feige's at Marvel? If so, perhaps there's some hope after all
I just want the Batfleck solo flick now god damn it
Just was the sense I got, not meaning to stretch. What did you feel like they were going for?
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