Are you for real? You can't be.
A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Are you for real? You can't be.
What the fuck kind of response is this? How hard is it to say "yes you can see each other, no it isn't working right now."
With this total non response and the stickers covering up the online label, its getting harder to give Sean the benefit of doubt.
Doesnt this mean that you can see each other in game? That's as close to confirmation as you can get.
its on the fucking game case
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
That could very well be true without this feature being in the game at all. That is the only way you'd know, but no one ever will.
The way they are dodging this question is intentional at this point.
Sure, but I'm not saying anything about meeting each other, I'm saying that people are acting crazy expecting this game to do a lot of stuff in their own specific way. Players game an Idea and the developer had other. When to worlds collide. People are nitpicking the more ambiguous things of the game rather than let all in one day at a time. Just saying. But hey, you can quote any time.
OMG dude, me too. The chances, right?
Conkerkid11
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The earliest that the Steam page ever said whether it would be single-player, co-op, and/or multi-player was March 3rd of this year. Before that, the whole section that described all that was left blank.
And this is what it looked like. Single-player, Steam Achievements, and Partial Controller Support. The only difference is that it now says Full Controller Support.
Via waybackmachine
old manatee
Banned
Maybe the multiplayer code was procedurally generated and they just haven't found it yet.
It kind of blows my mind that you can't comprehend how incredible the feature could be, at least to some people.
Also that feature not (probablymaybe) being there is not okay.
letmetrythisname
Member
Is that the dynamic theme?
Leafhopper
Banned
If that was the case then I think we would have actually saw it, and I don't think the box would say single player on it with "online features"
Lol.
I legitimately don't undestand what's going on. Because I'm seeing the photos of the different/amended versions of the EU boxes (showing online vs not online), and the report from the two players at the same location not registering in the other games, and then there's tweets like this:
This (and earlier statements) totally imply there's a multiplayer component. "Finding each other" sounds specific. But that box art shouldn't exist if this was the case. Have there been any formal statements to clear this up?
Edit: That Steam listing also seems to suggest there's not a multiplayer component.
This (and earlier statements) totally imply there's a multiplayer component. "Finding each other" sounds specific. But that box art shouldn't exist if this was the case. Have there been any formal statements to clear this up?
Edit: That Steam listing also seems to suggest there's not a multiplayer component.
Conkerkid11
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>110k views
>Sorry if old
The only thing old in that video are the interviews.
Those don't imply that you can meet another player at all though. They're vague as hell.
GET2DAACHOPPAAAA
Member
How did the two guys know they were in the exact same spot on the planet? Wasn't it dark on one users screen and light on the other? I know Sean is being shady with his tweets and response..but is it possible they were in two completely different spots just at a camp that appeared the same?
Storm Chamber
Banned
People have invested too much time and money into this game to back down now.
DOWN
Banned
Wow. I thought he'd said you run into other players, but he really pushed it.
AcademicSaucer
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Keep up the good work dude. Molyneux did nothing wrong
old manatee
Banned
Here's my thing. Sean needs to just come out and say if you can run into other players. No confusion.
That said I never thought this game was billed as anything more than a primarily single players experience but you can potentially run into other people's planets and creatures they named.
If anything I thought if you could meet up with other players it was instances, random and pretty rare.
But Sean needs to clarify if he means running into other player planets is what he meant by player collision.
That said I never thought this game was billed as anything more than a primarily single players experience but you can potentially run into other people's planets and creatures they named.
If anything I thought if you could meet up with other players it was instances, random and pretty rare.
But Sean needs to clarify if he means running into other player planets is what he meant by player collision.
Kadin
Member
They were chatting in stream to coordinate. I didn't see it live, that's just what I've read.
I mean if that's the case, then Murray is just lying through his teeth. I somehow doubt this.
He's not only saying that you can meet people, but that theyve added features to make it easier to find people. That's a pretty ballsy lie if there actually is no such feature in the game.
keltickennedy
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Just saying, I think it is really too early to say anything right now since the game has just come out. Two players found the same area and tried to meet up on launch day with the servers being hammered. It didn't work. (both of which had some NAT issues that they needed to sort out if i remember correctly) I think we need to see more instances where this happens to fully confirm if it works or not.
They imply something can happen between players, the specifics are vague but its pretty clear he's implying server issues are to blame.
oh so it is relatively new then? I'll admit I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic. 110k views is ALOT for one day? no?
He did. Maybe...THERE IS multiplayer?
No way he would just lie like that. no way.
$60 bucks. If people aren't happy return it and get a refund like any other game.
It will mean that until there's undeniable proof you can't do that.
After that, they will just be excited tweets about the success of NMS. It's from the Molyneux school of talking.
Nitpicking? Worlds collide? Crazy expectations? Players idea?
Wut?
Again: Sean Murray himself described the rudimentary MP functionality of players meeting and seeing each other in various interviews. Just yesterday he tweeted "Holy shit two players found each other".
This is not something that players projected into the game. It was announced and marketed by the developers themselves. It doesn't matter how important or unimportant this feature is to each individual player. The issue is their deceitful communication.
Conkerkid11
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Because they were.
The problem is that you can pause the game. Online games don't let you pause. If I pause my game during the daytime, it's going to stay that exact time when I unpause it.
Yes, he's implying something can happen between players, but not the interactions everybody's hoping for. He's talking about naming species and planets as he's described in the past.
We literally have the most recent interview with him blatantly saying that no, you cannot play with other people.
The easter eggs are probably something we'll discover over time, like the ghosts of players or something along those lines, considering the servers keep track of planets the players visit.
Still don't consider it a big deal. Are people making it into one, looks like it, I don't think it is. Nothing will change that.
Perhaps he should clarify some things better. Still not a big deal to me. Maybe if the game wasn't functional or even fully out yet I might would have a different opinion
.(I've not bought or preordered the game either)
Saying players found each other doesn't imply that?
If the game is single player with a community layer, then that's still awesome. But I'd like confirmation that's the case, especially since up to this point it was suggested that the game was something you could play with friends/online.
Mad Season
Banned
This Sean guy is so damn cryptic. Just say yes or no!
GinoFelino
Member
Yep, had the stickers on my limited edition as well.Here you go
Doesn't have to mean anything as far as online gameplay is concerned.
They wouldn't go through that trouble for the online icon; the sticker is due to a wrong age rating being printed on the box initially.
They probably misinformed PEGI initially regarding the content of the game and perhaps the nature of its online functionality.
The icon is a catch-all for publishers not to be accountable for bad language being used in online lobbies etc. Given the fact that you can see other people's names for planets and animals, the logo should still be present on the box.
The faulty rating is most likely the second one and I'm guessing the next print of the game will have the online icon reinstated.
Source: worked for PEGI.
GET2DAACHOPPAAAA
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Yea I saw the stream, I'm just not convinced they were in the same exact spot on the planet at the same moment.
I legitimately don't undestand what's going on. Because I'm seeing the photos of the different/amended versions of the EU boxes (showing online vs not online), and the report from the two players at the same location not registering in the other games, and then there's tweets like this:
This (and earlier statements) totally imply there's a multiplayer component. "Finding each other" sounds specific. But that box art shouldn't exist if this was the case. Have there been any formal statements to clear this up?
Edit: That Steam listing also seems to suggest there's not a multiplayer component.
Read it again. What happened on the stream IS "finding each other". It's already been done. That's it.
keltickennedy
Member
Remember, he is a programmer. lol
Storm Chamber
Banned
And admit defeat? Are you crazy?
DOWN
Banned
His interviews claim you see other players. His tweet implies that going to the same spot on separate streams IS all there is.I legitimately don't undestand what's going on. Because I'm seeing the photos of the different/amended versions of the EU boxes (showing online vs not online), and the report from the two players at the same location not registering in the other games, and then there's tweets like this:
This (and earlier statements) totally imply there's a multiplayer component. "Finding each other" sounds specific. But that box art shouldn't exist if this was the case. Have there been any formal statements to clear this up?
Edit: That Steam listing also seems to suggest there's not a multiplayer component.
Pop
Member
Yup
Exploding8
Member
If you watched the stream for any decent amount of time it is very clear it was the same place. One player named the landing beacon "Group Meeting Point" and the other player was at that same beacon. They went back and forth from the same space station at the same spot above the same landing area and talked to the same NPC with the same name and the same moon in the background in the exact same station at the same time. They continued attempts for at least an hour, probably more.
Perfect
Camp Freddie
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Is the chance of players meeting a 'birthday problem' issue?
(You have a 50% chance of sharing a birthday with another player in a lobby of 23 people)
My calculator can't handle the awesome power of quintillion factorials, so I don't know what the chances are of 1 million guys finding a match in a quintillion planets.
In any case, it's straight up lying if this isn't possible in the game. You don't get to claim it's a feature and then not bother to include it. At least Molyneux owned up to his lies/wishful thinking before the game was released. Tweating about it as if two players literally met is utterly gross.
No Mans Sky is a game of self-directed goals, since there isn't really a plot except maybe find the centre of the universe and maybe meet/kill Atlas or something.
As such, a hell of a lot of players are going to have a No Mans Sky bucket list that includes, "find another player".
And lets not forget that this is a clear goal, since Sean has said that the only way to find out what you look like is through another player's eyes. In a game about exploration, "What am I?" is going to be a question that players want to answer.
Personally, I was going to find the planet closest to the centre of the Euclid galaxy and see if other people were around. Or possibly to build/rename a base there and call it, "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe".
I hope that this is just a bug, but I have almost 0% hope for that. If it were, then you'd thing Sean and Co. would reach out to those players and try to make it work, rather than expose themselves to the negative PR of promising something that was never going to be possible.
It sounds more like Sean thought it was statistically impossible for players to meet, so he thought he could get away with lying about it.
I always thought that multiplayer netcode was hard, so why would a small team try and code it in when it was extremely unlikely to ever be used?
(You have a 50% chance of sharing a birthday with another player in a lobby of 23 people)
My calculator can't handle the awesome power of quintillion factorials, so I don't know what the chances are of 1 million guys finding a match in a quintillion planets.
In any case, it's straight up lying if this isn't possible in the game. You don't get to claim it's a feature and then not bother to include it. At least Molyneux owned up to his lies/wishful thinking before the game was released. Tweating about it as if two players literally met is utterly gross.
No Mans Sky is a game of self-directed goals, since there isn't really a plot except maybe find the centre of the universe and maybe meet/kill Atlas or something.
As such, a hell of a lot of players are going to have a No Mans Sky bucket list that includes, "find another player".
And lets not forget that this is a clear goal, since Sean has said that the only way to find out what you look like is through another player's eyes. In a game about exploration, "What am I?" is going to be a question that players want to answer.
Personally, I was going to find the planet closest to the centre of the Euclid galaxy and see if other people were around. Or possibly to build/rename a base there and call it, "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe".
I hope that this is just a bug, but I have almost 0% hope for that. If it were, then you'd thing Sean and Co. would reach out to those players and try to make it work, rather than expose themselves to the negative PR of promising something that was never going to be possible.
It sounds more like Sean thought it was statistically impossible for players to meet, so he thought he could get away with lying about it.
I always thought that multiplayer netcode was hard, so why would a small team try and code it in when it was extremely unlikely to ever be used?
What is my take on all of this. The guy is trying to be ambiguos for the sake of bit and want to create some kind of thrill and surprise in his game. Maybe the guy is dodging the subject because he want to be a surprise tho. I don't think the man is a liar.
GET2DAACHOPPAAAA
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Oh ok I see what you are saying..I did not watch it for very long.
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