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[Midas]

That's weird. I wonder why you can't do HDR in game mode.

I'm going to have a tough time convincing the wife that not only do I need a PSVR and a Neo I'm also going to need a $5k TV this Fall...

Yeah, that sucks. I should get that LG TV. But is that model name correct for Europe? Can't find it on my price match site. I'm talking about the LCD one, not the OLED.

Yes, seems to be the Europe model name, but might not be sold in my country of residence.

 

[f@luS]

Can't wait though I won't have a 4K tv yet I already started to buy uhd bluray. I won't buy a 4K before 65" oled lg or similar will be around 4-5k. 8k is too much and I don't want any other than this one or a similar

 

[RoboPlato]

Since most people interested in Neo will probably want an HDR 4K tv to match, here's an article about some of the choices:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming

HDR only works with Movie/Cinema mode, so right now the choice is pretty much LG.

I've heard the Vizio P series holds up alright with HDR on but since it's not in Europe it makes sense that it's not tested here.

 

[onQ123]

What happens after Scorpio?

If everything are as we assume and project moving forward ,then Sony forfeits the high end of console power for 2 years.

And then when Sony announces PS5 for 2019, then they'll have temporary leadership until Scorpio 2, rinse repeat.

Shrug.

You mean like how Sony forfeited the high end of console power for 5 years between Xbox & PS3 release?


Scorpio can't have leadership if no one buys it.

 

[PeterLegend]

4.2 teraflops is a little low, with 5 teraflops id be really excited

 

[Fourth Storm]

If there's a solid trade-in program somewhere, I'm down. Let's see what this thing can do.

 

[KORNdoggy]

4.2 teraflops is a little low, with 5 teraflops id be really excited

throw in a nice pair of playstation branded flip-flops and id be even more excited.

 

[Okami Haundo]

If there's a solid trade-in program somewhere, I'm down. Let's see what this thing can do.

Do you live in the U.S.? If so, most retailers are offering about $200 for the 500GB PS4 right now. With a potential price drop due to NEO releasing, I don't see values going any higher or even staying at that level.

 

[dead monkey uk]

4.2 teraflops is a little low, with 5 teraflops id be really excited

What does this even mean? How do you know what the difference 4.2tf vs 5tf will make.

Are you trolling? I cannot tell in Neo threads now.

 

[fastest finger]

Their games might not be the most graphically intensive, but Mixed Bag Games say they have games running in native 4K at 60fps and with 8 X MSAA on console. Given their continuing relationship with Sony platforms and the apparent proximity to launch, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet they are talking about PS Neo.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Make me buy a Playstation Sony! Last one I had was PS2.

 

[shinobi602]

Make me buy a Playstation Sony! Last one I had was PS2.

If the games on PS3 and current PS4 don't interest you, I'm curious how more power is going to change any of that.

 

[AltissimaRatio]

shit, someone get sony on the phone. they need to hire this guy

post that under every third Comment..

 

[Zooport]

I do believe DF got it wrong in regards to HDR, at least on the Samsung KS7000 etc.

Samsung responded to someone over on AVF and confirmed that HDR does work whilst in game mode so you can keep the silky smooth 21ms input lag and enjoy the wider colour gamut and 1000nit peak Windows.

EDIT:

Here's the reply

SamsungHelpUK tweeted

"As long as the game is HDR compatible, the TV will generate this data and play HDR content fine.Enabling game mode won't impact the HDR viewing for you. Hope this helps!"

This suggests it should do HDR in game mode.

And another

Yep. I got a response from Samsung UK today also. On the question that the 7000 series doesn't play HDR under game mode - they said that the Eurogamer article wasn't well informed and that "We've had a statement from a product specialists saying that it's not the case. Happy gaming"


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Since I have that TV I'll be sure to confirm it as soon as Sony release neo.

 

[Dynomutt]

I will not claim any technical prowess past being a tech head so I have a question(s).

With the PS4 and by extension the Xbox One (Even the S) being based on PC architecture and off the shelf parts. How will Sony differentiate itself?

Proprietary tech? New UI? New Controller? New service? PS Plus enhancement?

Curious and curiouser.

 

[PeterLegend]

5 teraflops is closer to the 6 teraflops in scorpio, the extra 1 tf isnt that big of a deal

 

[MrMatt555]

Any 20th anniversary owners abandoning that shit for neo?

 

[KageMaru]

I will not claim any technical prowess past being a tech head so I have a question(s).

With the PS4 and by extension the Xbox One (Even the S) being based on PC architecture and off the shelf parts. How will Sony differentiate itself?

Proprietary tech? New UI? New Controller? New service? PS Plus enhancement?

Curious and curiouser.

I don't think they want to really differentiate themselves, at least not from the PS4, since it's supposed to be part of the same family.

Better looking or running versions of games is likely the safest thing to expect.

5 teraflops is closer to the 6 teraflops in scorpio, the extra 1 tf isnt that big of a deal

If it's that big of a deal, why not just get a Scorpio? If you plan to get it for Sony's exclusives, the gap won't matter.

 

[Omnistalgic]

If it's that big of a deal, why not just get a Scorpio? If you plan to get it for Sony's exclusives, the gap won't matter.

I think he's saying he wants Sony to get within a 1TF gap difference of Scorpio so the difference between them will be less apparent.

 

[KageMaru]

I think he's saying he wants Sony to get within a 1TF gap difference of Scorpio so the difference between them will be less apparent.

I get what he's saying but I have a difficult time understanding why it matters that much. If power matters when playing multiplatform games, get the more powerful console, if exclusives matter most, go with the exclusives you like most and power doesn't really matter in that instance.

I guess my point in the end is I'm sure the Neo versions of games are still going to look great, so I wouldn't worry about the gap.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I think he's saying he wants Sony to get within a 1TF gap difference of Scorpio so the difference between them will be less apparent.

Unless you compare them in 4k, I doubt you'll see much of a difference. 4tf is probably overkill for 1080p/60. 6tf even more so. They'll only start to differentiate when you get into 4k or the games go for 90 or 120 fps or something.

And in my opinion, a very very extremely small amount of people care about 4k console gaming right now.

I think it'll be more of a factor in the next generation, not these midgen consoles.

 

[SOR5]

Make me buy a Playstation Sony! Last one I had was PS2.

If you havent been enticed for over a decade, will they entice you now?

What is it you're looking for?

 

[Shin-Ra]

I wonder if PSVR displays HDR content. An UHD HDR, low input-latency OLED TV's going to give far better image quality once available and affordable, but PSVR has the chance to provide the HDR OLED and (very) low input latency benefits at a more affordable price.

 

[wapplew]

Make me buy a Playstation Sony! Last one I had was PS2.

Two words,
Gravity Rush 2.

 

[Dovahking]

So...How likely is PS4 Slim ?

 

[AAMARMO]

Make me buy a Playstation Sony! Last one I had was PS2.

KNACK 4K

 

[Some Nobody]

Because from an event setup perspective, I don't look at Playstation as a monolithic single company, but different business divisions under US, Europe, Japan, Asia, with a global leadership.

From experience, unless Global makes a decision to, each region would want to have a tentpole event that represents their region's and business division's hard work over the past year.

That's why Taiwan host a press conference. Why Korea does. Why China does. Why America does (twice). Why Europe does. Why Japan does.

This doesn't really feel like a strong enough reason for me. Taiwan/Korea/China/Japan aren't the same. There's localizations to think about, and unique titles that will come to those markets that may not/definitely won't come West. Europe and America aren't the same markets, but they're similar enough that they might try to get away with this.

Another thing to think about: Last year Sony talked about being at Paris Games Week before they even went to E3. They let us know in advance they weren't going to be attending Gamescom. This time they've made nothing known about PGW and at this point we know they're not going to Gamescom.

For what its worth, I don't disagree with the assertion that, under normal circumstances, they would want a tentpole event in every region. But these aren't normal circumstances. This isn't just a re-design of the PS4, but an entirely new version of the PS4. They may want to get people behind the idea of this new system with a proper conference-type presentation.

Last year, Playstation dated their PGW appearance around August 18th. We've got about 8-14 days, give or take, before they confirm it one way or another. If PGW does exist, my excitement for this show would probably be nil. You don't have major games to show at both, and I'd give preference to the show that first displayed GT Sport over one that just needs to impress hardware-conscious folks. Probably be better off doing that with games we already know about.

 

[Balb]

Is there a strong reason to believe the Neo is coming out this year? I'm trying to decide whether I should sell my current PS4 now or not. Don't mind waiting a few months without a PS4.

 

[Nightengale]

Last year, PGW event was announced early imo partly as an explanation that they weren't skipping a European conference that year, just moving it away from GC to PGW.

This year, there's no need to do that. SCEE is no longer beholden to necessarily having a GC event, or even a PGW event. They could do Barcelona, or even do their own PSX-style event.

We'll see. I'm of the opinion there will be a European event regardless of this Neo event.

Is there a strong reason to believe the Neo is coming out this year? I'm trying to decide whether I should sell my current PS4 now or not. Don't mind waiting a few months without a PS4.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...n-boss-andrew-house-ps4-neo-microsoft-scorpio

“I was surprised by the step of announcing something over a year ahead of time,” he said. “The dynamics of the tech industry are such that there’s a much heavier emphasis on immediate gratification than there was. A lot of that is to do with how Apple has very cleverly and elegantly managed the ‘available now’ approach. So yes, that was a slight surprise to me.

 

[mattp]

That's weird. I wonder why you can't do HDR in game mode.

I'm going to have a tough time convincing the wife that not only do I need a PSVR and a Neo I'm also going to need a $5k TV this Fall...

game mode tends to disable a bunch of features/processing to get better input lag for gaming

i'm assuming the hdr processing on these new tvs is relatively intensive and introduces a bunch of input latency

 

[IvorB]

I get what he's saying but I have a difficult time understanding why it matters that much. If power matters when playing multiplatform games, get the more powerful console, if exclusives matter most, go with the exclusives you like most and power doesn't really matter in that instance.

I would guess that he wants both the power and the exclusives...

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Curious if Sony is crazy enough to price this above 400$ when it worked wonders for the current PS4. PS4 at 300$ and PS4N at 400$ would be a solid run.

 

[wapplew]

Curious if Sony is crazy enough to price this above 400$ when it worked wonders for the current PS4. PS4 at 300$ and PS4N at 400$ would be a solid run.

It will be above $400 I think.
It's a premium console after all, they are design as high margin, enthusiast product.

 

[zero86r]

Whatever happens I'll be buying a PS4 this xmas, price will determine if it's a neo or a basic model.

 

[Milly Osworth]

If you havent been enticed for over a decade, will they entice you now?

What is it you're looking for?

PS4 looked pretty nice to me but Im not in a rush, then the Neo rumours came.

 

[wachie]

This was one of the first awesome hype gifs I can remember relating to the PS4 reveal

 

[farisr]

I am assuming this means no Paris Games Show conference.

They don't need one with TGS in mid September and PSX in December.

Makes you wonder if PSX will be filled with European studios announcements, or they will bring them to PSMeeting.

SCEE ran the 2013 PlayStation meeting. They could be handling this one too. Both just happen to be in NYC.

And all of a sudden I'm expecting a larger game presence at this than before (even though I know I shouldn't be "expecting" anything)

The 3pm (8pm UK) time also takes on another meaning. Maybe the stuff that they'd typicallly show at their European conferences will be shifting to PS Meeting this year.

 

[kevin1025]

And all of a sudden I'm expecting a larger game presence at this than before (even though I know I shouldn't be "expecting" anything)

The 3pm (8pm UK) time also takes on another meaning. Maybe the stuff that they'd typicallly show at their European conferences will be shifting to PS Meeting this year.

A new Killzone shown in NEO Mode would be mighty fun.

 

[Peltz]

A Wednesday at 3pm? Why do they do this?

 

[Inuhanyou]

It will be above $400 I think.
It's a premium console after all, they are design as high margin, enthusiast product.

You know, some people keep saying this, but why exactly would 'premium' mean that they are going to price it above mass market affordability?

Premium only means that its going to be priced above the current PS4. So what is the difference between lowering the current PS4's price to say 249, and affording the NEO at 399 for example over affording the NEO at the XB1's price of 499?

I think that would negate sales a lot more than give people the view of a premium unit

 

[Mikey Jr.]

A Wednesday at 3pm? Why do they do this?

I think it's the middle ground between west coast being able to watch and Europe. Any later, Europe starts sleeping.

I think Sony wants many people watching this.

 

[bombshell]

And all of a sudden I'm expecting a larger game presence at this than before (even though I know I shouldn't be "expecting" anything)

The 3pm (8pm UK) time also takes on another meaning. Maybe the stuff that they'd typicallly show at their European conferences will be shifting to PS Meeting this year.

I was posting earlier about how no Sony conference at PGW would mean no conference by SIEE this year, which I found very unlikely to happen, but if what funkystudent said is true, then the PS Meeting in September could be SIEE's conference for this year with game announcements.

 

[Ricky_R]

Personally, I don't think so.
It'll take ND the better part of a year to get it done (similar time scale for Left Behind) so I think Feb 2017+ is when we will see it.

Edit: maybe teaser trailer at PSX though (is that event still happening?)

That would be a good reveal (especially if still due this year) otherwise will be at PSX.

Ahh, I confused this with PSX. Not really expecting it on this event.

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

We are probably going to see the VII remake again here and a look at the NEO... or maybe the VII remake running on the Neo?

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

All I know is I can't wait. I told myself I wouldn't buy a ps4 till the redesign this generation. I'm all in for beefier specs, too.

 

[Wishmaster92]

What does this even mean? How do you know what the difference 4.2tf vs 5tf will make.

Are you trolling? I cannot tell in Neo threads now.

.8tf difference would get you better aa/motion blur/dof? That's a lot

5TF would be the sweet spot going head to head with the scorpio. It sounds much better than 4.2 vs 6

 

[Inuhanyou]

We are probably going to see the VII remake again here and a look at the NEO... or maybe the VII remake running on the Neo?

That would be pretty cool, to see NEO running FF7R, but who knows really. It might cast doubt on the state of the project on OG PS4, and i doubt they want that

.8tf difference would get you better aa/motion blur/dof? That's a lot

5TF would be the sweet spot going head to head with the scorpio. It sounds much better than 4.2 vs 6

I doubt they are so concerned about scorpio to try and upclock to that level.

They will sell what they will sell years in advance. Even if NEO got an upclock, Scorpio would supposedly also just get an upclock, so your 5 to 6 would go to 5 to 7 ect.

Its better for Sony to not focus on an arbitrary power war.

 

[Inuhanyou]

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[Wishmaster92]

That would be pretty cool, to see NEO running FF7R, but who knows really. It might cast doubt on the state of the project on OG PS4, and i doubt they want that

Something like the cloud or tifa model showcase running on ps4 and then a fade to black transition to the neo version would be awesome.

 

[Omnistalgic]

I get what he's saying but I have a difficult time understanding why it matters that much. If power matters when playing multiplatform games, get the more powerful console, if exclusives matter most, go with the exclusives you like most and power doesn't really matter in that instance.

I guess my point in the end is I'm sure the Neo versions of games are still going to look great, so I wouldn't worry about the gap.

As a PS only (mostly) gamer, I kinda want the best available tech Sony can manage in 2016. But if Scorpio titles come out on in 2018 looking vastly superior to what's on Neo, it's hard not to be bothered or go and get one. 3rd party titles are a big part of PS as well as the exclusives. Personally, I just want the Neo to make the difference negllible. If it's something like current PS4 > X1 power difference, I won't bat and eye lash. Ps2>Xbox difference though? Hmmm...

Unless you compare them in 4k, I doubt you'll see much of a difference. 4tf is probably overkill for 1080p/60. 6tf even more so. They'll only start to differentiate when you get into 4k or the games go for 90 or 120 fps or something.

And in my opinion, a very very extremely small amount of people care about 4k console gaming right now.

I think it'll be more of a factor in the next generation, not these midgen consoles.

hoping that's the case, we'll see soon enough.