I don't disagree with anything you're saying about Zestiria. I just disagree that it's dramatically worse than the Xillia games. I don't find the Lilial Orb system to be particularly compelling either, especially the Xillia 2 version of it. Actually, the version in 1 commits the sin of the illusion of choice which bothers me quite a bit. You think you have control over which abilities your characters are learning, but in the end you unlock most cells on the way to unlocking what you wanted anyway.
Tales of Berseria Import Thread
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Lunarwhale
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Eh, I was on the side that really liked Zesty. I thought it was a significant return to form in world design and the like. Its world map and travel had issues to be sure, but it was the first one since Vesperia that felt even remotely ambitious or engaging to me. Combat was fun once you get past the jank, though aux systems were overcomplicated and a bit shit. Side effect of the unfortunate decision to throw every system from every recent game (anniversary title!) together. In general it was my favorite since Vesperia. Loved the cast and music, thought story was aight and gameplay was fun if not a bit messy.
Berseria's cast and story interest me, but I played the demo recently and it was enough to make me decide that I'll just wait for the English PC release. I was planning on importing, but the demo really did not excite me and the new battle system felt like a bit of a mess.
Berseria's cast and story interest me, but I played the demo recently and it was enough to make me decide that I'll just wait for the English PC release. I was planning on importing, but the demo really did not excite me and the new battle system felt like a bit of a mess.
devious.one
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Hoping to hear some good stuff about the OST. Zestirias was pretty good
MrSaturn99
Member
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Well, it's not like I already don't pretend Dawn of the New World doesn't exist, so...
Kresnik258
Member
The Allium Orb system in Xillia 2 is terrible. Especially since in my second playthrough I just equipped Alvin/Gaius with 2x and 1x everything and I soon had every skill with no thought put in. Really poor.
I never understood this argument. The idea is so misguided. It's not about what you get in the end. The idea of customization isn't always to completely block out some investments you made to a character's growth. There's a ton of great RPGs where you have the ability to get all skills and stats and there are great RPGs where you are locked out of certain stuff because of the choices you made. The idea that the Lilium and the Allium Orb sucks because you can get everything is idiotic. It's about the decisions you make at that point and time and the method to getting to the endpoint that matters. Not the end. The idea that the ends dictate a customization feature is a perspective that people have crafted to give "superiority" because people really made a "choice" by locking stuff out. Making a choice isn't binary such as "locking stuff out" and "getting everything."
Don't expect too much, Go Shiina isn't a composer for this episode.
MisterRoboto
Member
When are they going to make a tales game online co-op?? I want to play tales with my bro but shareplay isn't good enough.
It's not because you can get everything, it's that getting everything is automatic. I didn't say a single word about locking stuff out. What I'm talking about is how you don't have to make any real decisions about the points you spend. The only difference between this and something like FF13's completely linear crystarium for instance is presentation. They might as will just award abilities automatically at level up.
How is it automatic? I might be making some dumb assumptions.
Also, in regards to the lock out, you pretty much imply that your complaint is that you get everything. If that's the case then isn't the complaint that you can get everything? I mean you say this: "but in the end you unlock most cells on the way to unlocking what you wanted anyway." I feel like it's pretty much implied.
I thought Zestiria was the best of the last 3 Tales games and I ended up enjoying it all the way to the end. Not a great game, but characters, story and battle system just kind of clicked with me.
Characters, story and gameplay sound interesting, so I'm looking forward to (hopefully positive) impressions.
Characters, story and gameplay sound interesting, so I'm looking forward to (hopefully positive) impressions.
Have only put around 4 hours into Zestiria myself, but its alright in the beginning. Kind of like the large open environs and it looks pleasing so far.
Major issues early on are the poor battle camera(behind the back now) which obscures so much of the combat making tracking enemy animations for reactions difficult, especially with the complete fireworks show is also happening around you, I just feel blinded and wish that Iit was easier to parse out what the fuck is going on.
Largest complaint among the community is the equipment system which has you learning skills directly from weapons/armor. Conceptually sound, but the execution seems really terrible with a whole glyph grid to be mindful of that I still don't feel comfortable tinkering with, plus the nature of the somewhat RNG focus on armor/weapons seemingly having unique properties makes the micromanagement of all of this appear way too overwrought and tedious. It's by far the largest slam against the game.
Other popular complaints involve the characters, boring and bland dungeons(basic corridor mazes), and the story not really doing much for many. I'm too early in to really comment on these issues yet myself though.
Thickstone
Member
The thing with Zestiria is that it is just more of the same (perhaps a little less competent than usual) in a series that is desperate for more exciting plots, scores and battle systems. While Zestiria isn't necessarily worse than the other games, it most certainly crossed the line at which it should've brought more to the table than it did. It's the textbook definition of bland.
People criticized SO 5 a lot but it still shits from great heights on Tales of-battle systems regarding sub-systems, responsiveness and speed. Graces f was so close, though.
Freaking Limit
Member
I think the complaint in this case is you basically have to get everything anyway. The fact that you get everything doesn't matter so much as that you are forced to get most things. It isn't much of a choice of what you pick, what what 1 or 2 things you ignore so you can grab the better stuff earlier. I had the same issue where it felt like the system could have been replaced with getting a skill at certain levels and it would make no real difference. That is why it presents an illusion of choice.
Do you mean to progress to the next Lilium Orb layer? I guess that's a complaint but you're still making a conscious choice as to how you're progressing. This still becomes an argument about how the means are just as important as the ends.
Doubtful if ever.
How would the game track the non-host's progression? I suppose if Bamco are willing to dedicate hefty resources to servers and all the other OH costs just to have someone join another random players game, it would be entirely at the behest of the host's experience they could make it happen. But to serve whom? The miniscule few that are able to align schedules to join each others game knowing only a sole participant would gain? This concept works for local co-op play as the nature of gathering friends and/or family to participate on the couch in a single household with pick-up/play hooks make more sense(and has been in the series). But this isn't justifiable at all for an online gathering unless the entire scope of the game shifts to something that isn't primarily a solo-driven narrative journey.
clay_ghost
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Need more details please.
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Suddenly realised that this universe suddenly have a
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Dark_castle
Junior Member
Do we get to explore the ocean by steering the ship ourselves, or is it all only scripted based on story?
I really hope this new game will restore Tales of' image. Ever since Vesperia (depending on opinions), the series seem to have fallen from grace. This would be the game that make me buy a PS4 if it turns out to be good.
... Well, since it will be released on PC, I guess I'll just stick to upgrading it.
... Well, since it will be released on PC, I guess I'll just stick to upgrading it.
Weirdly enough, I think ToZ have a lot of new systems that shake things up (regardless of how sucessful they are) to make me think it is "more of the same" gameplay wise.
The plot felt really different from usual Tales of. I think that keeping the medieval fantasy focus all the way through in a landscape of JRPG that thow extange technology in with the fantasy setting or that are straight-up futuristic or based on reality makes it feel bolder and more unique right now. I was a thowback to older times in the genre I appreciate.
The plot also is very different from most Tales, getting rid of fluff and typical elements like like romatic interest subplots, treason among the party, racial undertones, duality of worlds among others. Throws many things that have been a staple in many the serie's plots and delivers something more simple plot that along with the other elemnts reminds me more of Dragon Quest than Tales. Given how few DQ releases tend to be over here I really value that.
I also like the strong directoion Zestirias has and how the scenario is reflected on the battle mecanics. It makes it feel more soild and inmersive and that has value.
That's not saying the plot is as good as any DQ or that it doesn't have issues - it has a lot and the DLC is terrible. But there is stuff that is very cool and enjoyable about it.
From my point of view I don't think it had to do more. One of the things I like of it as well is that is very ambitious and the people behind hit were clearly very passionate about it. The issue is, as many pointed out -is no secrett- polish and wrapping up. If Namco had given the team 6 more months I'm sure most people's opinion on this game would be very different as it would be the game itself. Namco could have perfectly have done this -the actual anniversary was still quite distant at the time of the japanese release after all- but sadly the pulisher keeps not giving the people in charge of making the games enough resources to complete their vision in all areas.
I implied no such thing. I don't have any issue with being able to get everything. I meant precisely what I said: on the way to unlocking that one cell on the far right of the board that you want, you end up filling in the stuff all around it because of the way the contiguous unlocks work. Add to that the required unlocks to reach the next layer and then you've gotten almost every cell on each layer regardless of whether you wanted them in the first place. So you think you're making conscious decisions about your character growth, but at each step, you pretty much have the same abilities as any other person who had different goals.
Eizen has a Derris Kharlan coin with a Dhaos symbol on it. Dhaos is referenced as a demon lord. Laphicet mentions that Dhaos and the goddess Martel appear in history books.
Anyone have experience with DHL in the US when shipping from Japan? Specifically North-East Texas. I need to confirm my AmiAmi order for the game, but now they have DHL and I don't know how that compares to EMS.
I just stuck with EMS. Maybe next time, but it was expensive this time around at $93. I guess the yen strengthened?
I just stuck with EMS. Maybe next time, but it was expensive this time around at $93. I guess the yen strengthened?
Robobandit
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hrm.. looks like it can't be purchased via the web store.. at least not currently. no shopping cart icon.
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Looking around it seems like they stop allowing digital purchase until the store updates.. so if you didn't pre-order digitally you have to wait until the store updates normally.
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Looking around it seems like they stop allowing digital purchase until the store updates.. so if you didn't pre-order digitally you have to wait until the store updates normally.
GoldCrusader
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Hoping this is good! I loved Zestiria and it is probably one of my favourite in the series, so I am really hoping Berseria will be great too.
He is doing the exact opposite of what your doing. You hate it way too much lol, you have to calm down a little.
He is doing the exact opposite of what your doing. You hate it way too much lol, you have to calm down a little.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Same boat here. I 'm always hoping the franchise returns to glory, but I doubt it greatly.
StarSketch
Banned
, where'd you read that at?
EDIT: Found the reference, possible major spoilers obviously: https://twitter.com/Sourenga/status/765624183359438848
I'm thinking it might just be a reference or nod, but it would be kinda interesting if that was the case.
Can someone translate the picture in here? https://twitter.com/Sourenga/status/765623687437545472
That chunk of Katakana at the start is "Aifread" I can't read the rest.
I think the book thing is just a reference- there's a statue of Gaius in Zestiria that has a skit about it and everything, but no one has claimed that game and Xillia are connected.
The text has nothing to do with ToP, it's just dialogue about the Aifread Pirate Crew's first mate being weirdly superstitious. Given that there is an Aifread of some sort in almost every Tales game, this is not exactly spoilersville.
MasterMenace
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Only Tales game I played fully is Tales of Vesperia. I put like 30'ish hours into Tales of the Abyss on 3DS and I got fed up. Story was so bad and I HATED having to hold a button for free movement mode.
Berseria better be the spiritual successor to ToV.
Berseria better be the spiritual successor to ToV.
StarSketch
Banned
Abyss is older than Vesperia (and the first game with free run iirc) so that's why the combat was worse
Story will probably be hit or miss if recent games are an indication though.
Abyss' story is better than those of recent Tales games.
StarSketch
Banned
How far into a play through is
Akezriuth
If they stopped before then, I can see why someone would rage quit. Even if they didn't, it might've been too little too late?
Hentailover
Member
If you can get over how horrifyingly despicable nearly every single characters in your party is, sure.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
That's about 10 hours, so if they played 30 they were either really slow, or the game just wasn't for them.
30h is around when the game starts getting backtrack heavy, and I think you visit
radiation gate, or absorption, can't remember
I loved The Abyss, so I hope Berseria is a return to that type of form.
I hope Berseria is well received. Tales is one of these series I tried getting into a few times but my experiences have been rather lukewarm. I beat Abyss and felt it dragged on too much and wasn't a fan of its cast. Story wasn't particularly engaging either, and the battle system was fine but nothing to write home about. Phantasia I've only played a few hours and thought it was alright but it didn't really hold my interest all that much. I've bought Xillia 1 and 2, Graces F and Symphonia HD on sales but the mixed opinions on the first 3 are a little discouraging and I'm a bit reluctant to start Symphonia if it just ends up being like Abyss
. I wish Vesperia was within my grasp since it's the Tales game that interests me most but I don't own a 360 and have zero interest in importing a japanese ps3 copy. If only Namco wasn't so awful at making their older titles readily available.
Which is why I'm interested in reading opinions on Berseria. Perhaps a good modern entry is what I need to get into in the series so I'll be following this thread.
(an older title highly regarded by the fanbase but only around a 7 for me)
Which is why I'm interested in reading opinions on Berseria. Perhaps a good modern entry is what I need to get into in the series so I'll be following this thread.
Hentailover
Member
So, I got few glimpes of the gameplay... can you use Velvet's peasant costume from prologue?
Yes, you can.
Paltheos
Member
The reactions are so polarizing on this one. For its many flaws, Zestiria's such a vibrant game it brought me back in after the lukewarm expereince I had with Xillia.
Thickstone
Member
The people that are _still_ clamoring for Vesperia PS3 would be in for a surprise.
IMO Vesperia suffered from an uneven pacing, a very slow battle system, a bland ost, a horrible fetch quest towards the end and a mixed cast. So basically it's like every modern tales game ever. But I guess it has better graphics, dungeons and....Yuri. But other than that it's not the holy cow that some people make themselves believe.
IMO Vesperia suffered from an uneven pacing, a very slow battle system, a bland ost, a horrible fetch quest towards the end and a mixed cast. So basically it's like every modern tales game ever. But I guess it has better graphics, dungeons and....Yuri. But other than that it's not the holy cow that some people make themselves believe.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I really enjoyed the demo, but will be getting the physical version just in case lol