Slim isn't really a major hardware launch.
PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Slim isn't really a major hardware launch.
Xenoflare
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I'd like to point out that the people who are interested in the slim will less likely to be the target audience for the Neo anyways
DangerMouse
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Yeah.
there is no precedent for basically ANYTHING MS and Sony are doing this generation
vpance
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1 month separation will be fine, no need for 2017. VR and Neo will probably both sell out, and if not they'll slow production and let demand catch up later.
To Sony I doubt it matters that much if one product cannibalizes another. A new owner of any 1 of their new devices is a new potential PS+ subber.
StereoVsn
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Sony would be crazy to delay NEO unless they upped the specs since it just brings them closer to Scorpio release. Coming out with NEO in October/November gives Sony a year in the market where they box in Xbone S between potentially cheaper PS4 Slim and much more powerful NEO.
PSVR is not a platform. It actually makes sense to have NEO there as an option for those interested in PSVR as an upsell.
Tie the PSNow sub to ps+ justify the price increase and give me access to it anywhere along with the fact remote play already works well on pc is a very big WANT for me...
Crimson_Gold
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A $10 increase is being used to cover a service that costs $100 a year when it is on sale?
Business majors are all over this site
thats actually why releasing them at the same time (or at least close) makes more sense...Sony doesnt care which one you buy, they just want you to buy one of them, so they can get you in the ecosystem, buying games, and subbing to PS+
what they DONT want...is someone saying they will wait 6 months for Neo to launch...that person isnt buying games, or subbing to PS+
Only in the business model its in now which could easily change.
Also we don't know how much psnow is or isn't making for sony maybe they are bit desperate to expand its audience.
Do you know how many people in the past ran out and bought the SLIM PS2 or SLIM PS3 just because it was the "New model"? Way more than you might think. Now add to that two other Premium Products from the same company competing for your limited dollars at basically the same time.
wapplew
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Maybe add one or two PS now title to monthly free game.
Xenoflare
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I feel those people would on gaf or other enthusiasts forums that would buy every single revision
Crimson_Gold
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This could be possible. I actually think we will see higher tiers of plus that offer these things and more. Like a gold and platinum tier service
Neo and Slim are not competing products...Sony doesnt expect people to buy both (they will gladly sell you both if you want them though)...and they dont care which one you buy...they just want you to buy one of them...
This is what I was thinking. Just don't give us the free selection as well as I don't believe numbers have ever been announced for psNow... maybe they are desperate to find a way to make it affordable....
The Last Wizard
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I understand that, but there's still a possibility that they may want the best PS4 and if they've got knowledgeable people in their lives(assuming we're talking about casuals) those people may tell them to hold off.
Darklor01
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I told someone to hold off. They bought a PS4 Saturday night. People do whatever the hell they want.
Or drop Vita and PS3 support as it currently exists in order to make room for PS Now's inclusion.
THE:MILKMAN
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It really does seem like Sony are going big rather than going home with three HW launches close together. With all this hardware floating around some things were bound to leak.
I just hope they aren't too aggressive/arrogant with it all.
I just hope they aren't too aggressive/arrogant with it all.
I expect Sony will bundle something like COD or BF1 with Neo.
TLG would be better fit for a PS4 Slim bundle.
I don't expect TLG to get bundled at all. the Slim will get Lego bundles and shit
In regards to cannibalism, yes I believe it will happen even between the Slim and NEO. People will buy something just because its the new shiny thing too have. See Gamestop's massive success with trading in the pre-owned market. Potential new buyers of the Slim may now be considering NEO or vice versa, I think there is very good reason we've never seen TWO new consoles with different power levels from the same company launch at the same time. No matter how you want to frame it, it creates unnecessary confusion among the casual buyers.
StereoVsn
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I would drop PS+ if that happened. Not a huge deal for Sony but I still actively play all 3 platforms, personally. I could see them dropping PS3 first though.
a PS4 sale is a PS4 sale no?
vpance
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That would be absolutely horrible. Can you imagine the disappointment and outrage on here if on Sep 7 they announce you will need to wait 6 months? Talk about a boner killer, and goodbye holiday unit sales, lol
that really isnt cannibalism...because Sony doesnt give a shit which one you buy...
you can back up your data to an external HD, including PT. once you have your new PS4 you can restore everything
Sure but if you are Sony you also want everyone to adopt a shiny new premium gadget aka PSVR this Holiday while they are at it, no?
Thanks, I don't use my PS4 for much, but I'm thinking of changing that with PSVR
The Last Wizard
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lol, people man. Which at the end of the day just shows this is all speculation.
AnthonypUK
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they are already sold out of them.
wapplew
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Maybe they sold out every PSVR they can produce already?
Ok you win! Sony is happy only if you buy PSVR with a new Slim OR NEO not both? Got it.
Darklor01
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Doesn't the new PS firmware update have something about data transfer between consoles?
ok that's a different issue than Slim/Neo cannibalization, however, PSVR will likely be supply constrained and sold out for a while anyway so it's smart to have another new hardware option out there for people with the cash
Elven_Star
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Seems like Playstation Store's look is gonna change, too. Just loaded it and it looked different, reloaded and it was gone back to the old look. The new version reminds me of the changes they've made to the "What's New" in PS4's 4.00 beta firmware. Everything is bigger.
Quoting my earlier post because some people are not tackling my comments head on. Especially in regards to PSVR already being sold out. Please see the Bolded part.
vpance
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You need to realize they won't be making a lot of money on the hardware. They might even be losing some. But anyone buying any one of the 3 will be buying software and maybe subbing to PS+ too and that's Sony's priority.
One person's max budget for the holidays will be their max. If they really want Neo and VR and can't afford both at once they will just get it later. No big deal.
Sure and I get that, but if you are cash strapped or just have a family budget to consider you are probably realistically only buying one of these three Gaming related items this Holiday season (if you are lucky). People like to indulge sure but there are limits.
Spread out though people are more likely to invest heavily a second or third time, I can't believe some people don't understand these basic economics. Lets say you buy 1 of these three new products this Holiday season and WOULD BUY (finances allowing) a second one of these products, do you think the retailers, wholesalers and everyone in the food chain want to have the other two things you didn't buy sitting on their store/warehouse shelves for the next 6 to 12 months until your ready for your next big hardware purchase?
That's why these things are spread out historically.
I don't really understand this. If you don't own a PS4, you're probably only interested in the Slim (and PSVR if interested in PSVR). If you already own a PS4, you're probably going to upgrade to a Neo (why would you buy a Slim?), and then also a PSVR if that consumer is interested in VR.
When they release doesn't matter. If you can afford one (Slim or Neo) now, great. If you want VR now, get it now, or if you want it in March, buy it then, but you'll already have a PS4 and PSVR will likely be more readily available to you.
Darklor01
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I feel I know what you're going for. I just think it's open to all ends of debate. The way I see it is that with all three essentially at once you have there options which do not cannibalize each other unless the you must make a choice and prioritize your desires. If you have a PS4 and must have that PSVR you can still use it with base PS4 until you can afford NEO. In reverse order you can Buy NEO and wait on the PSVR. You weren't buying both anyway.
Other options include slim and PSVR, people that only want base PS4 and buy slim, people that are buying new and want NEO or upgraders. That kind of thing.
Omnistalgic
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This is not a good adjective IMO gonna make a thread about it.
Okami Haundo
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I don't think these pieces of hardware would cannibalize each other as much as you're thinking here. PS4 slim is not intended for current PS4 owners, they're seemingly using that to replace the current PS4 model that's on the market.
As for NEO vs PSVR, the two are definitely aimed at the "early adopter" audience, but I still think their potential customers are different.
From what we know, the NEO will be a more powerful version of the current PS4, albeit with Sony imposed limitations. The leaked documentation stated that NEO will run the same OS and games as the OG PS4, developers can just make games look and run better if they choose. PSVR is a new platform that will have it's own games and experiences.
I think this is where the two potential markets start to diverge. Those who want PSVR are getting entirely new experiences. Those who want NEO are getting a better version of an experience they could have had with another model of PS4. So I understand your argument to a point, but I don't believe both products have the exact same appeal.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Most definitely will it's the last big event to push it worldwide. With tgs being a big Japan push
jasminlovesyoux
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Hoping for both! I think they'll touch on it
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Well I'm expecting TLOU2, GTAVI, and RDR2 so I can buy a PS4 already.
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