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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)

Right before the Neo's unveil, how do you feel about the system?

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Rotch Crot said:
For events like this, are there any good text feeds of exactly what's going on?

Blogs something?

I'm temporarily in a place where the Internet is just way, way too slow to stream.
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As suggested above gaming sites like Eurogamer will most likely live blog it (which would be recommended if you don't want to join Twitter), but I would just recommend Twitter, as long as you're following gaming news sites/people.
 
NotSmartEnough said:
Several of the big gaming sites will probably have live updating coverage. I normally go with Eurogamer.
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Thank you. I've tried the previously suggested GAF route and it was a disaster. Way too many posts and jokes about Nintendo's chick with big boobs and whatnot. Damn near impossible to find useful information in a timely manner.
 
Rotch Crot said:
Thank you. I've tried the previously suggested GAF route and it was a disaster. Way too many posts and jokes about Nintendo's chick with big boobs and whatnot. Damn near impossible to find useful information in a timely manner.
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Well, isn't that the charm? Don't know about those boobs though.

Shit, we're getting close. Felt like it was so far away when it got announced. It will be a nice day, Apple (which I havent seen confirmed yet) showing a new iPhone and Sony unveiling Neo a few hours after.
 
Lockjaw333 said:
Neo has to be $399. No way they go $449. Part of the reasom why the slim helps them is that they can make a clear differentiation between the two in pricing.

Neo $399

Slim $249
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That's what I'm expecting. Plus $449 for a couple of bundles. What that means in my backwards European currency though, who knows?

DKHF said:
As suggested above gaming sites like Eurogamer will most likely live blog it (which would be recommended if you don't want to join Twitter), but I would just recommend Twitter, as long as you're following gaming news sites/people.
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You don't even need a twitter account to follow a hashtag.
 
As someone who has never Deactivated his Ps4 or moved from one PS4 console to another, should selling my current PS4 and moving to Neo be straight forward?

Should it be simply deactivate current PS4, system wipe, sell. Log in and Activate neo as primary and I can re-download my games/DLC?
 
Rotch Crot said:
I'm overseas for fora few months and decided to bring my ps4 for the downtime. The Internet is excruciatingly slow. But I guess when I upgraded my hard drive a while back, I didn't deactivate my ps4 before the upgrade (because I didn't know any better).

So I get over here and have 0 access to any of my games. All locked because this isn't my activated primary console. Even games I brought physical copies of were useless because I had DLC for them.
Eventually I got the ps4 to start working with the awful Internet just to sign in to allow my games to work.

I tried deactivating my "old" ps4 (pre-hard drive switch) to my "new" ps4 and Sony wouldn't allow it. I was getting errors about having already used a deactivation. I emailed Sony the request for a deactivation and got an email back saying it was denied.

The first month here my ps4 was a paperweight. Now I can sign in to allow access to my games.
But when the Internet goes down, as it frequently does here, it becomes useless again.
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I didn't know this. I simply popped in a new drive and went from there. Since I always have hard wired decent internet I don't know if I would know there's an issue having not deactivated my PS4 before upgrade. Was there some kind of thread on this before?
 
Flyinmunky said:
As someone who has never Deactivated his Ps4 or moved from one PS4 console to another, should selling my current PS4 and moving to Neo be straight forward?

Should it be simply deactivate current PS4, system wipe, sell. Log in and Activate neo as primary and I can re-download my games/DLC?
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Yeah it's that simple.
 
Flyinmunky said:
As someone who has never Deactivated his Ps4 or moved from one PS4 console to another, should selling my current PS4 and moving to Neo be straight forward?

Should it be simply deactivate current PS4, system wipe, sell. Log in and Activate neo as primary and I can re-download my games/DLC?
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I hope people will write detailed guides on how to transfer all the stuff.
 
jeff_rigby said:
He did almost quote part of the patent in it's entirety so how wrong can he be? This is not something that I'm up on. It appears to be more than "Packing two 16-but values in a single 32-bit word".

This is what you innately understand

The compression scheme is not just packing two 16 bit values into a single 32 bit word.
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I tried to tell them this was the case even before I seen the patent


onQ123 said:
Just to be clear that this FP16 stuff isn't just something that I was saying to downplay Xbox Scorpio 6TF here is my post about the same thing for PS4 Neo before we got the real specs.

I thought it would be a smaller GPU that's FP16 native that would be used to get 4K but it ended up being the full size GPU that now support native FP16.





With smart coding & fitting some of the operations that used FP32 into FP16 operations devs can get what appears to be 4X the PS4 performance out of Neo using less accurate FP16 when FP32 isn't required.


I think Neo mode is going to be a lot like having a powerful FP16 mobile GPU.
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These are my words without seeing the patent & the patent talk about the same thing . it's Mark Cerny's patent by the way (Great minds think alike)
 
onQ123 said:
These are my words without seeing the patent & the patent talk about the same thing . it's Mark Cerny's patent by the way (Great minds think alike)
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Don't flatter yourself. Selective use of the range of different precisions of floating point representations for their performance, precision and storage trade offs is not a new thing. After all, that's the entire reason they exist! Recognizing that isn't some special kind of genius, and it's not the central claim of the patent in question.

What Mark and crew were after is a way to sidestep architectural assumptions about the size of vertex parameters. Packing two half-precision floating point values trivially into a single-precision value subject to interpolation makes the original values unrecoverable.
 
Does anyone have a complete rundown of the console specs for Xbox One Slim and the rumored PS4 Neo? Would like to see how much of a difference there is and if that difference is worth more than $100 price difference. Thanks.
 
Lady Gaia said:
Don't flatter yourself. Selective use of the range of different precisions of floating point representations for their performance, precision and storage trade offs is not a new thing. After all, that's the entire reason they exist! Recognizing that isn't some special kind of genius, and it's not the central claim of the patent in question.

What Mark and crew were after is a way to sidestep architectural assumptions about the size of vertex parameters. Packing two half-precision floating point values trivially into a single-precision value subject to interpolation makes the original values unrecoverable.
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I know it's not new it's the reason why Sony said that PS3 was 1.8TF because a SPE can do 16 8-bit operations per cycle but that don't change the fact that I'm right about them using it for Neo because it's not common for desktop & console GPUs.
 
daniel77733 said:
Does anyone have a complete rundown of the console specs for Xbox One Slim and the rumored PS4 Neo? Would like to see how much of a difference there is and if that difference is worth more than $100 price difference. Thanks.
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Neo is 3X more powerful than Xbox One S without getting into all the details of what else is in Neo or how devs handle making games for it.
 
Going to be a very interesting holiday season with Neo on the market. With all the big holiday titles coming out this season and with neo mode being requirement. PS4/Xbox dynamic will change considerably.
 
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onQ123 said:
I know it's not new it's the reason why Sony said that PS3 was 1.8TF because a SPE can do 16 8-bit operations per cycle but that don't change the fact that I'm right about them using it for Neo because it's not common for desktop & console GPUs.
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I'm pretty sure the Cell maxed out at around 200 GFLOPs when talking about single-precision floating point, the 1.8TF number was marketing fluff that was throwing in things like the fixed-function texturing hardware in the GPU.

And I can't imagine anyone seriously talking FLOPs, which stands for FLoating-point OPerations, and 8-bit numbers. 8-bit floating points? Half-precision is 16-bits, 8-bit floats might as well be smearing the graphics memory with crayon.
 
Tagyhag said:
It depends what you mean by "good looking".

Something like Journey? Sure.

Uncharted 4? No.
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If you think about it Bound could have been 4K 30fps on PS4 & that game look good so I think devs can find a middle ground of simple but nice looking graphics. Every game doesn't have to look like Uncharted
 
androvsky said:
I'm pretty sure the Cell maxed out at around 200 GFLOPs when talking about single-precision floating point, the 1.8TF number was marketing fluff that was throwing in things like the fixed-function texturing hardware in the GPU.

And I can't imagine anyone seriously talking FLOPs, which stands for FLoating-point OPerations, and 8-bit numbers. 8-bit floating points? Half-precision is 16-bits, 8-bit floats might as well be smearing the graphics memory with crayon.
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They never said it was single precision & Cell wasn't just about graphics & neither is PS4.
 
onQ123 said:
They never said it was single precision & Cell wasn't just about graphics & neither is PS4.
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Now that I look into it more...

The 1.8TF number was just for the RSX. The Cell's specs missed all the marketing mess because IBM was putting out papers detailing exactly what it was capable of, so the RSX got all the voodoo (sorry old PC gamers).

And I mentioned graphics because 8-bit floats would be even more useless anywhere else.
 
Lockjaw333 said:
Neo has to be $399. No way they go $449. Part of the reasom why the slim helps them is that they can make a clear differentiation between the two in pricing.

Neo $399

Slim $249
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That would be awesome, actually.

Sony could easily have a clean sweep of hardware sales in September, October, November and December with those prices.

No reason Slim couldn't be priced at $249, launching immediately.

Neo revisits Sony's 2013 playbook on console design, pricing, games, with greatness :P

Cerny and Andrew in da House :)
 
I don't think $399 is some magical threshold Sony is afraid of breaching. That number gets revised upwards with inflation, for one.

Secondly, Neo is not the PS5. It's not a completely different generation. So there's no need to be afraid of a high tier console when you have a much cheaper version on the market to continue to push sales.

By the time PS5 does come out, I would not be surprised to see it debut at a price greater than $399.
 
James Sawyer Ford said:
I don't think $399 is some magical threshold Sony is afraid of breaching. That number gets revised upwards with inflation, for one.

Secondly, Neo is not the PS5. It's not a completely different generation. So there's no need to be afraid of a high tier console when you have a much cheaper version on the market to continue to push sales.

By the time PS5 does come out, I would not be surprised to see it debut at a price greater than $399.
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Even though it's not a new generation of PlayStation they are still making devs do extra work for it so it needs to be a mass market console & not just a pet project. this is not PSX they need to get Neo into homes so that devs hard work isn't going to waste on few people.
 
onQ123 said:
Even though it's not a new generation of PlayStation they are still making devs do extra work for it so it needs to be a mass market console & not just a pet project. this is not PSX they need to get Neo into homes so that devs hard work isn't going to waste on few people.
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They will price it accordingly depending on whether it had a spec bump and devs will respect that. An extra sale is a sale regardless of how many that is.
 
Guys, i just had a crazy thought: what if the NEO had a bigger harddrive slot to account for HDD's above 2TB? Think about it for a second...a 4 TB internal HDD? That would be sweet.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Guys, i just had a crazy thought: what if the NEO had a bigger harddrive slot to account for HDD's above 2TB? Think about it for a second...a 4 TB internal HDD? That would be sweet.
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I would love something like that. I want to put a bigger/faster drive in the console once I get it. I loved the SSHD in my PS4 (until it died).
 
onQ123 said:
Even though it's not a new generation of PlayStation they are still making devs do extra work for it so it needs to be a mass market console & not just a pet project. this is not PSX they need to get Neo into homes so that devs hard work isn't going to waste on few people.
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I think $449 will capture an enthusiast portion of the market. Further, it'll naturally drop in price as well.

The additional dev work is going to be fairly minor, honestly. And I suspect the projects that make the most out of the hardware will mostly be first party.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Guys, i just had a crazy thought: what if the NEO had a bigger harddrive slot to account for HDD's above 2TB? Think about it for a second...a 4 TB internal HDD? That would be sweet.
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Honestly, i have a 1.5 TB and its more than enough. And this is coming from a gamefly subscriber who installs alot of AAA games on his pS4.

I would much rather have a 1TB hybrid, i dont know how much those would cost in comparison to a 5400 RPM HDD though. Im playing Mankind dividid right now and there are alot of 30 second loadscreens.
 
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