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[Swass]

I hope the Neo will look something like this.

That looks like a Nvidia Shield rendered in the Lego universe.. no thanks.

 

[Hesemonni]

...Seeing they did 5Ghz WiFi , could they've done Sata 3 also?

 

[Hexa]

I hope the Neo will look something like this.

Oh dear god no.
That's way too gaudy. Needs to be more simple and slick like the rest of Sony's hardware.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

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For some reason this looks like a record player.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

...Seeing they did in Ghz WiFi , could they've done Sata 3 also?

Whats the difference between sata 3 and whats in the orig ps4?

 

[Creaking]

I hope the Neo will look something like this.

Those controllers are perfect for my low polycount hands.

 

[Celcius]

Whats the difference between sata 3 and whats in the orig ps4?

Sata 3 has a higher maximum transfer speed and would allow the console to much better take advantage of faster drives like SSDs.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Hoping that the hard drive is a SATA III so I can go buy an SSD for Neo. Also, I think that Sony should copy the Xbox One Slim in regards to the GB size and pricing. $400 for 500GB, $450 for 1TB and $500 for 2TB.

Even more than all of that, im hoping that Neo comes out before October 7th (Mafia III) so I can buy it before all the fall/holiday games I want get released.

 

[GAFmeansLIFE]

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Would bang.

 

[Dynomutt]

What's if the design is a drastic departure? Like more cubish for cooling similar to those small PC cases.

What you guys be against it or would you like a more AV look?

 

[TetraGenesis]

Stop posting these terrible terrible mockups, PLEASE.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Stop posting these terrible terrible mockups, PLEASE.

There's like 9 days to go. Gonna be a lot more mock ups.

 

[TetraGenesis]

There's like 9 days to go. Gonna be a lot more mock ups.

*silently cries*

 

[SictorVullivan]

Of all the things I want for the Neo, I just want it to be quiet really. It seriously annoys me having to use headphones on my launch PS4 since it's so loud.

Apparently the PS4 Slim is "quiet", just hope the increased power in the Neo means it doesnt sound more like the launch PS4's.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Oh dear god no.
That's way too gaudy. Needs to be more simple and slick like the rest of Sony's hardware.

Ironically that's not too far from a legit BR player

 

[anothertech]

If this is true chances of a $399 Neo are zero.

Well, 1tb hdd are retailing for 29.99$ at my local frys, so I'm not sure this is that big a deal honestly. Honestly 500gigs is so last decade.

 

[kennyamr]

mockups hype?

seriously though, I'm guessing the Neo will (sadly) have the same Slim design but just....well fatter.

 

[NotSmartEnough]

What's if the design is a drastic departure? Like more cubish for cooling similar to those small PC cases.

What you guys be against it or would you like a more AV look?

I reckon it might look like a hybrid of a games console and BD player. I keep saying it, and sorry if it's repetitive, but Sony don't have a UHD BD player and I think that the reason is they are making space for Neo.

I think it'll be a striking PS4esque design, but catering for the AV market, too.

I'm calling it: tray-loading Blu-ray drive and a bundled Bluetooth media remote (along with the revised DS4), two HDMI outputs (to cater for those with legacy amps) and an optical output (to cater for the Luddites

Spoiler

only joking; I know there are a lot of headphone adaptors that need it; don't take offence

). If it turns out I'm wrong we'll blame the gin, not my judgement.

 

[Woodchipper]

I wouldn't mind if it looks very much like the original PS4 to be honest. It's the inside that matters anyway, and it is still a PS4 after all.

 

[Shin-Ra]

finally.... almost 2017, about time!

Vita not having AC or N wifi is still the worst.

I only use 5Ghz in my apartment. 2.4Ghz just doesn't work... at all.

Vita has 802.11n 2.4GHz WiFi.

It means that its far easier to get connections in hard to reach places and further distances than current PS4 and PS3, and it strengthens the signal your usually getting on PS4. That means faster and more quality download and upload speeds!

2.4GHz has greater range and wall penetration but 5GHz is less congested with other devices.

 

[farisr]

As someone who has never Deactivated his Ps4 or moved from one PS4 console to another, should selling my current PS4 and moving to Neo be straight forward?

Should it be simply deactivate current PS4, system wipe, sell. Log in and Activate neo as primary and I can re-download my games/DLC?

Well I just recently sold my ps4. The process goes like this:

-backup any data you want
-delete users from the ps4
-if any users are activated as primaries you will be asked if you want to deactivate the system (so you don't have to do it individually or anything) when you try to delete them
-when you delete the last user on the system, it will re-initialize the system (giving you the option to a quick format or full format), and once that's done you will basically have a factory state ps4 at that point ready to be sold.
-on the new system, login with your account, and it will ask you if you want to activate it as primary.

 

[Raiden1018]

That looks like a Nvidia Shield rendered in the Lego universe.. no thanks.

You hit the nail on the head. lol

 

[kennyamr]

Vita has 802.11n 2.4GHz WiFi.

right, let me restate what I said.

"finally.... almost 2017, about time!

Vita not having 5Ghz AC or N wifi is still the worst.

I only use 5Ghz in my apartment. 2.4Ghz just doesn't work... at all."

There, better.

Thank you.

 

[GAFmeansLIFE]

Found in a random search for Neo info hahaha

 

[icespide]

Found in a random search for Neo info hahaha

YEA DUAL LIGHT BARS MOTHER FUCKER

 

[Turkoop]

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I like this.

 

[Dinjooh]

Found in a random search for Neo info hahaha

Sony hardware design department hard at work.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I hope the Neo will look something like this.

PS4: Tron Legacy edition. I wouldn't mind it.

 

[serversurfer]

You know, MS managed to move an awful lot of Bones at $499, while lugging the "$100" millstone, Kinect, and being less powerful than the competition. For many prospective and actual early Bone owners, their only problem with the $499 price point was that the extra $100 wasn't spent on performance instead. Indeed, many in the PlayStation camp also lamented the fact that the PS4 didn't have a $200 APU instead of the one it got, at least as an option for those willing to spend that much…

So yeah, I think there's a market for a $499 Neo if it's powerful enough. Larger APUs will have lower yields initially raising per-㎠ costs, but those will come back in to line as the process is refined. I could see this as a legit strategy if the BOM is there to justify it:

PS4.5 Launch: $499
4Q17: $449
4Q18: $399
4Q19: $299 (PS5 launches for $499)

If PS4 is still breaking even at sub-$200 at that point, they may even keep it around for a while longer too. (Not as a top-tier machine; they'll stop mandating support for it when PS5 launches, but it'll still have a huge installed base and if it keeps selling, devs will continue supporting it.)

Read the patent

I read the patent, and Gaia seems to be on the right track. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the patent is about doubling throughput by reducing precision. It explains pretty clearly that the patent is about making more efficient use of cache space and preserving the original parameter values for later use by the pixel shader.

One of the examples they gave for more efficient cache use was storing a pair of FP16s in a 32-bit register instead of simply wasting half the register by storing a single FP16 in it, but it doesn't say anything about simultaneously performing two 16-bit operations where you'd normally perform a single 32-bit op. In fact, it says that if you're working with FP32 data, you'll need to come up with a more clever way to compress the data than simply double-stacking FP16s.

It's nothing to do with changing precision to increase speed. It's all about efficient use of cache and enhanced flexibility for the downstream shader(s).

The launch models are loud as fuck.

My launch-day unit is quiet. If you're not exaggerating, you should get yours serviced. <3

 

[Insane Metal]

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You know what? I'm ok with this. Sony pls.

 

[Sanctuary]

That looks like a Nvidia Shield rendered in the Lego universe.. no thanks.

LOL

 

[The Argus]

right, let me restate what I said.

"finally.... almost 2017, about time!

Vita not having 5Ghz AC or N wifi is still the worst.

I only use 5Ghz in my apartment. 2.4Ghz just doesn't work... at all."

There, better.

Thank you.

What do you mean by "2.4Ghz just doesn't work"? Is the radio broken or do you somehow have a 5Ghz only router. 5Ghz doesn't have the range or penetration of 2.4 so you can rule out proximity issues. You should be able to bandsteer or create a separate 2.4Ghz SSID.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

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That is butters.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Can Sony surpass the looks of the OG PS4 or OG PS2 is what I'm super interested to see.

Yeah yeah 'PS2 is ugly' blah blah. No it wasn't that's world-class design people.

 

[RoboPlato]

Can Sony surpass the looks of the OG PS4 or OG PS2 is what I'm super interested to see.

Yeah yeah 'PS2 is ugly' blah blah. No it wasn't that's world-class design people.

I'm hoping they put a major emphasis on the outer design since this is the first premium model PlayStation.

 

[dracula_x]

mockups hype?

seriously though, I'm guessing the Neo will (sadly) have the same Slim design but just....well fatter.

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[Jonboy]

I'm really anxious to see this thing. I too hope they go all out for a premium look/feel.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I'm hoping they put a major emphasis on the outer design since this is the first premium model PlayStation.

Yep, I want them to go to town but not over the top. I want their usual understated and minimalist beauty they have for their tech products in the last few years.

This is hard to beat as a standard non alternate colour console. Come at me.

 

[le-seb]

What do you mean by "2.4Ghz just doesn't work"? Is the radio broken or do you somehow have a 5Ghz only router. 5Ghz doesn't have the range or penetration of 2.4 so you can rule out proximity issues. You should be able to bandsteer or create a separate 2.4Ghz SSID.

He probably means that he cannot get a working connection using 2.4 GHz, due to too many neighbours using it.
Everything and its dog is using 2.4 GHz nowadays (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, DECT, ...), it's overcrowded.

 

[Lionheart]

I hear people saying they expect the console to become a bigger version of the PS4, but except for the rumor that talked about it being 3 cm thicker than the original PS4, what reason would there be for the console to become (much) bigger?

I mean, the GPU is supposed to be just over twice as powerful, the CPU less so and other components shouldn't have become bigger either right?

Twice as powerful and three years later: why should it be so big?

I expect a size that's relatively the same as the original. I'd be disappointed if it were much bigger.

 

[onQ123]

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I read the patent, and Gaia seems to be on the right track. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the patent is about doubling throughput by reducing precision. It explains pretty clearly that the patent is about making more efficient use of cache space and preserving the original parameter values for later use by the pixel shader.

One of the examples they gave for more efficient cache use was storing a pair of FP16s in a 32-bit register instead of simply wasting half the register by storing a single FP16 in it, but it doesn't say anything about simultaneously performing two 16-bit operations where you'd normally perform a single 32-bit op. In fact, it says that if you're working with FP32 data, you'll need to come up with a more clever way to compress the data than simply double-stacking FP16s.

It's nothing to do with changing precision to increase speed. It's all about efficient use of cache and enhanced flexibility for the downstream shader(s).

[0060] In the technique 200b depicted in FIG. 2B, the vertex shader 210 may perform vertex shader computations 214, which may include manipulating various parameters of each vertices in the image. The resulting parameters may be compressed at 240 into a smaller data format so that bottlenecks associated with storage and throughput of large numbers may be minimized. The compressed parameters P0', P1', P2' may be written to a parameter cache 236 for temporary storage, and may occupy a smaller amount of the total cache than uncompressed parameters to thereby minimize potential bottlenecks in the cache hardware. The compressed parameters P0', P1', P2' may be copied to a local memory unit 237 on a GPU, which may be memory unit known as a "local data share" (LDS). The compressed parameter values may be accessed from the local data share with a pixel shader 212 implemented by a GPU.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I hear people saying they expect the console to become a bigger version of the PS4, but except for the rumor that talked about it being 3 cm thicker than the original PS4, what reason would there be for the console to become (much) bigger?

I mean, the GPU is supposed to be just over twice as powerful, the CPU less so and other components shouldn't have become bigger either right?

Twice as powerful and three years later: why should it be so big?

I expect a size that's relatively the same as the original. I'd be disappointed if it were much bigger.

You're right, it won't be massively bigger than the PS4. An APU with Polaris graphics cores clocked at 800-1000Mhz is not going to create so much heat that it needs a much bigger chassis to house than PS4's less efficient APU (at least the graphics side as the CPU, if its Jaguar-based, will be less efficient if its clocked as high as rumoured).

 

[Jasper Avenue]

I'm in Day 1. Already got the cash put away for it. Hyped.

 

[Vena]

It means that its far easier to get connections in hard to reach places and further distances than current PS4 and PS3, and it strengthens the signal your usually getting on PS4. That means faster and more quality download and upload speeds!

This isn't really (practically) true unless your PS4 is out on prairie lands.

Penetration depth drops (and signal attenuation rate increases) with frequency, and so if you have your router far from you inside your house and it has to travel through multiple media transitions like your walls, you may end up with shorter/worse signal capabilities.

AC wireless has beamforming as a workaround but strictly 5GHz is not necessarily going to improve signal over 2.4GHz if you live inside a house or any modern structure with walls or ceilings. It will most certainly be faster, of course, thanks to the increase in frequency but that comes at a cost.

(Sorry totally random.)

 

[carlsojo]

Yep, I want them to go to town but not over the top. I want their usual understated and minimalist beauty they have for their tech products in the last few years.

This is hard to beat as a standard non alternate colour console. Come at me.

It'd be pretty funny if they released a PS4 but in the exact same case as a PS2 for some kind of anniversary thing.

And by pretty funny I mean I'd buy it.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

It'd be pretty funny if they released a PS4 but in the exact same case as a PS2 for some kind of anniversary thing.

And by pretty funny I mean I'd buy it.

Well the genius is you can't argue with that design today, even though it's 16 years old. Look at the OG Xbox as comparison for the competing design back then. This was on a different planet.

 

[Celcius]

I hear people saying they expect the console to become a bigger version of the PS4, but except for the rumor that talked about it being 3 cm thicker than the original PS4, what reason would there be for the console to become (much) bigger?

I mean, the GPU is supposed to be just over twice as powerful, the CPU less so and other components shouldn't have become bigger either right?

Twice as powerful and three years later: why should it be so big?

I expect a size that's relatively the same as the original. I'd be disappointed if it were much bigger.

I would expect the console to be bigger because of beefier cooling, so that it can operate more silently while still dealing adequately with the hotter hardware. I would expect the console to also be heavier because of hopefully higher quality materials being used.

It'd be pretty funny if they released a PS4 but in the exact same case as a PS2 for some kind of anniversary thing.

And by pretty funny I mean I'd buy it.

That would be amazing but the PS2 case is too small. I do hope they base the design off of it though.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Sony hardware design department hard at work.

Cats are jerks.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

It's going to have the same design as the ps4. Guarantee it. They want it to look like it's part of the same family, which it is.

You can't have it look like a PS1 or something.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

It's going to have the same design as the ps4. Guarantee it. They want it to look like it's part of the same family, which it is.

You can't have it look like a PS1 or something.

I have no problem with that. I really don't care what it looks like as as it isn't gross like those pictures on the previous page.